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Bush's latest gem of a statement!

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posted on Dec, 30 2006 @ 02:59 PM
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Originally posted by madnessinmysoul
you know something, people need to worry not just about the 3000 american casualties

i'm more worried about the REPORTED 57,707 iraqi civilian casualties

so we have about 60,000 people dead as a result of bad intelligence and/or lies
actually, we know there was at least 1 lie, the connection between iraq and 9/11


The ugly truth is that people can compartmentalized the death of others and forget. But you are right, this all started because of ONE LIE!

All the supporters jump on the "yeah but saddam was bad anyway." I retort with, "but he kept that region from chaos and established a modern muslim iraq, which cheney and rumsfield and crew help bring to power in the sixties.

Bottom line, some people are unable to see through the rhetoric and it baffles the ^%$#! out of me.

AAC




posted on Dec, 30 2006 @ 03:20 PM
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Originally posted by whaaa


Thank you, as I spent 4 years in the USAF but that dosen't mean I have to give up critical thinking and just follow the party line.
Just because you don't agree with some of the comments on ATS; I feel it is unfair to lable it as hateful, left wing rhetoric.

Check this out...




Whaaa I thank you as well for your service to our country. You are a hero as well. As far as giving up critical thinking and following a party line; that is not what I am promoting. Nothing that I said in my initial statement is indicative of that. Let me tell you, I served in the U.S. military as well. I know there are some people there who are less than honorable and do less than honorable things. However, the vast majority of our men and women in uniform are our finest.

What angers me about some people on this site is the fact that they label the U.S. military as "corrupt", "stupid", "uneducated"...but it is not just the military they attack. It is my president as well. In this country you do not have to agree with or even like the president. You don't have to agree with his policies either. But labeling the President of the United States as a war criminal, "stupid", and "corrupt" is just over the top. It simply shows the lack of respect for that office that those people have. Some people on this site even go as far as to equate Bush with Hitler. Some go even further to say that Bush is worse than Hitler. I am outraged by such hateful extremism. My grandmother was just a young teenage girl at the start of WWII. She came from a rather large family...they were farmers. She had 9 brothers and 2 sisters. One of her brothers, Davey, was adopted when he was a baby...he is Jewish. When the U.S. entered WWII, 8 of her brothers joined the military and went to Europe. By the end of WWII, only 3 of those original 8 had come home. Hitler took 5 of them. My family has paid a great price in the effort to defeat the Nazi's. So perhaps now you understand why I get upset when someone equates my president to the incarnate evil of Adolf Hitler. There is one other thing, Davey was captured and spent time in a Nazi POW camp. He has had trouble all of his life because of the things he saw and what was done to him...

Criticism and debate are good. I encourage it and have served alone with you to defend those rights. But the vile hate mongering that is typical of many, many leftists on this site lacks any sense of class, intelligence, or basic human decency. What hypocrites are they who claim to be compassionate, tolerant, and moral when they spew unsubstantiated hateful extremism. I've often thought; if Bush was one hundredth as bad as they claim, they wouldn't be around anymore to spew their hate. Therefore, Bush must not be as rotten a guy as they contend. Shame on them!

I don't care if the President is Republican, Democrat, Liberal, or Conservative; no-one should be saying the things about him, or eventually her, that is being said about Bush. I happen to think that Clinton was one of the worst Presidents this country has ever seen, but the man still deserves the respect and the honor he deserves. After all, he was hired by the people for the job. To impugn him is to impugn those who voted him into office. I simply do not want to go there...I am above such partisan idiocy. However, many of my opponents are not. I hope you are.



[edit on 30-12-2006 by MooneyBravo]



posted on Dec, 30 2006 @ 03:43 PM
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But labeling the President of the United States as a war criminal, "stupid", and "corrupt" is just over the top. It simply shows the lack of respect for that office that those people have.

Not everyone shares your opinion.
A lack of respect is something that is earned, by being a war criminal(s), stupid, and corrupt.
You would have to be blind with ignorance and false patriotism to not see that.

Hey! there's a coffee brewin', go smell some


signed:
A proud lefty wingnut.



posted on Dec, 30 2006 @ 03:47 PM
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Moonybravo, I respect your position and I'm sorry for your families loss. I must say that during FDR days what was there to point the curruption finger at? Kennedy he was the american president. He said, "The only thing to fear is fear itself." Beautiful and timeless words. Our present president has been caught in many dishonest lies. If you refuse to see them that is fine. But you can't chastize others that can't avoid the corruption, it boils their blood.

Bottom line: WE ARE CREATING MORE TERRORIST EVERY DAY. Bush didn't invent terrorism, but his crew has used it themselves (bay of pigs) and they've made it significantly worse, so that their Military buddy contracts will last forever.

AAC

[edit on 30-12-2006 by AnAbsoluteCreation]



posted on Dec, 30 2006 @ 04:31 PM
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Yea, theres a connection between many of the top political heads since WW2. I could go on and on about how we lost our country during those times, but I'll make it short.

There hasn't been a war since WW2 I feel we should have been involved in. Vietnam benefitted some businessmen, and you can bet thats how they wanted it. Most the wars were business. We haven't fought for our freedom since WW2. Back when there really was a threat. There was a man taking over most of europe and taking russia, and africa. He was a real threat. Saddam was hardly a threat to our freedom. A threat to business maybe, but freedom? No.



posted on Dec, 30 2006 @ 04:36 PM
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Originally posted by grimreaper797
Yea, theres a connection between many of the top political heads since WW2. I could go on and on about how we lost our country during those times, but I'll make it short.



We lost control of this country in the 1960s..
Social disorder..Moral decline.. Loosey Goosey mentalities.

The 60s were the ruination of the United States of America



posted on Dec, 30 2006 @ 04:42 PM
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Originally posted by SpeakerofTruth
The 60s were the ruination of the United States of America


it's not like the 50s were any better
the 50s were a time of racism, sexism, religious bigotry, and forced conformity

honestly, there hasn't been a decade that has been nothing but good
the 60s weren't the begin of the decline of america, the 1770s were



posted on Dec, 30 2006 @ 05:07 PM
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Originally posted by SpeakerofTruth

Originally posted by grimreaper797
Yea, theres a connection between many of the top political heads since WW2. I could go on and on about how we lost our country during those times, but I'll make it short.



We lost control of this country in the 1960s..
Social disorder..Moral decline.. Loosey Goosey mentalities.

The 60s were the ruination of the United States of America


True. Can we agree that this discourse was caused by the apparent corruption seen in our "supposed" honorable administration? Bay of Pigs. Iran-Contra. Watergate. Come on these things aren't just swept under the rug. American people like to feel proud of their constitution, not seeing it bastardsized by special interests.

AAC



posted on Dec, 30 2006 @ 05:47 PM
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Originally posted by RWPBR
Passivist neo hippies...


I needed a good laugh! Thanks. I assume you mean "pacifist", but what's a "neo hippie"???



Originally posted by AnAbsoluteCreation
CAPTAIN OBVIOUS!


I can't wait to see the tights and cape that someone makes up for this...
Are you sure you don't mean Captain Oblivious?


Yeah, Bush has always had 'a way' with statements.



posted on Dec, 30 2006 @ 05:54 PM
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We lost control of this country in the 1960s..


so, civil rights caused this country to spiral out of control? a movement based on peace & love (the hippies) put us where we are today?

i have a hard time seeing this p.o.v., although i could be misinterpreting.

we, defined as the common, lower social class folk, never had control of this country. we have never had control of any country, for that matter. it's hard not to believe the events that take place in today's world have had a long time coming. in accordance, everything grows exponentially and the plans that these people hold for our future will develop twice as fast.

in other words, you cannot blame one generation for the state of affairs that we are in right now, nor does it matter where control was surrendered. what does matter is that we take it from those who seek to do us harm.

"when you piss all over my black kettle..."



posted on Dec, 30 2006 @ 06:32 PM
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The OP pokes fun at comments made by Bush, but spells the word "article"
incorrectly in their link.
Geez, if you want to be credible, at least learn to spell.

Lex



posted on Dec, 30 2006 @ 06:33 PM
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If it wasn't for grassroots movements, like the hippy/peace movement was (until the media got a hold of it, helping the state in it's usual rush to control), then we would now be even closer to a full-on totalitarian system.

Any time the people can shake up the establishment is a good thing for all of us, whether you want to see that or not.



posted on Dec, 30 2006 @ 06:44 PM
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Originally posted by thecyanaura
so, civil rights caused this country to spiral out of control? a movement based on peace & love (the hippies) put us where we are today?




Wow, doing a little cherry picking there are we?
What about the drug culture that came out of the 60s.? What about the hippies? What about the civil unrest? What about the political corruption? What about the anti-patriotic attitude? What about the fact that the "great" individuals from the sixties spit in our soldiers' face? All of those things came from the sixties!! Yet, you cite the civil rights movement?
Hmmm...


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[edit on 30-12-2006 by SpeakerofTruth]



posted on Dec, 30 2006 @ 06:48 PM
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Originally posted by AnAbsoluteCreation
True. Can we agree that this discourse was caused by the apparent corruption seen in our "supposed" honorable administration? Bay of Pigs. Iran-Contra. Watergate. Come on these things aren't just swept under the rug. American people like to feel proud of their constitution, not seeing it bastardsized by special interests.

AAC


I have no love for the federal government. However, most of this corruption that people are trying to pin on one man was existent long before he came along. That is my only point when it comes to Bush...To me, he's jus a scapegoat for a much more ruthless ruling force.



posted on Dec, 30 2006 @ 06:54 PM
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Originally posted by Lexion
The OP pokes fun at comments made by Bush, but spells the word "article"
incorrectly in their link.
Geez, if you want to be credible, at least learn to spell.

Lex


Sorry about your attempt at ignoring subject matter which makes you think in a direction you dislike. So sorry.

Since when do you have to spell correctly to be taken seriously?


I will refrain from skimming through all of your post to find an incorrect spelled word... because I don't care. But thanks for looking like an ass, you've succeeded favorably.


The terribly misspelled paragraph below has similarly been zipping around the Internet recently. Perhaps you've received it and wondered how you could read it so easily.

Aoccdrnig to rseerach at Cmabrigde Uinervtisy, it deosn't mttaer in waht oredr the ltteers in a wrod are, the olny iprmoatnt tihng is taht the frist and lsat ltteer be at the rghit pclae. The rset can be a total mses and you can sitll raed it wouthit porbelm. Tihs is bcuseae the huamn mnid deos not raed ervey lteter by istlef, but the wrod as a wlohe. Amzanig huh?


Maybe you should call the university that researched this study uncredible?

Misspelling is fun.


AAC

[edit on 30-12-2006 by AnAbsoluteCreation]

[edit on 30-12-2006 by AnAbsoluteCreation]



posted on Dec, 30 2006 @ 07:16 PM
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Originally posted by SpeakerofTruth
However, most of this corruption that people are trying to pin on one man was existent long before he came along. That is my only point when it comes to Bush...To me, he's jus a scapegoat for a much more ruthless ruling force.


Hear, hear.

Still, Bush is attacked because he is incapable of hiding his stupidity and his obvious agendas given to him. You´re right, Bush isn´t the guilty one, but just a single pawn in a long line of pawns.

There hasn´t been a decent and honest President since Kennedy (maybe Carter). Even Clinton turned out to be a lying sob. JFK truly wanted change, even though he was born with a silver spoon. Democracy died with him... Still waiting for a decent President to arise, not holding my breath for 2008 though. Jeb for President!

Sigh.



posted on Dec, 30 2006 @ 07:26 PM
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To what ^ said. Kennedy was killed because he didn't follow suit. Not that the Bush's weren't enemies of the Kennedy's prior. You know, if you put all the pieces in the same mental picture, the truth is self-evident.

AAC



posted on Dec, 30 2006 @ 09:02 PM
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When Bush was talking about his new "Iraq plan" he said that his upmost concern was for the troops... looking back on the way he lies... that translates as : The troops will see many many more casualties, perhaps even more than we have suffered thus far.



posted on Dec, 31 2006 @ 12:26 AM
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Originally posted by AnAbsoluteCreation

Originally posted by madnessinmysoul
you know something, people need to worry not just about the 3000 american casualties

i'm more worried about the REPORTED 57,707 iraqi civilian casualties

so we have about 60,000 people dead as a result of bad intelligence and/or lies
actually, we know there was at least 1 lie, the connection between iraq and 9/11


The ugly truth is that people can compartmentalized the death of others and forget. But you are right, this all started because of ONE LIE!

All the supporters jump on the "yeah but saddam was bad anyway." I retort with, "but he kept that region from chaos and established a modern muslim iraq, which cheney and rumsfield and crew help bring to power in the sixties.

Bottom line, some people are unable to see through the rhetoric and it baffles the ^%$#! out of me.

AAC


Where do you get your historical information ? Rummy and Cheney were not in positions of national power until the mid 70's...not the 60's

As far a sadam being a stabilizing force, does that make his genocide excusable ?

[edit on 31-12-2006 by RWPBR]



posted on Dec, 31 2006 @ 12:29 AM
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I want real answers from the leaders of this country about the events on the day of 9/11. Sorry, but I feel some mistrust toward Bush and company.

Sorry if I don't jump for joy about the war that is going on now, and wave a flag with pride, because I'm confused about what the heck is going on with 9/11, this war, and stuff.

So, we've got microchipping, 9/11, war, national IDs, freedom snatching, constitutional destruction, porn explosion, a multitude of drugs from big Pharma, security crackdowns, attacks on nutrition, attacks on religion, lies, etc. Something isn't right.

Just because it's got the American flag "symbol," and "freedom" label on it doesn't make it ok.

Troy



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