The Phoenix Lights Case - In Depth, page 2
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reply posted on 31-12-2006 @ 10:57 AM by Gazrok
Thanks for groingrinder's account, I was hoping to see that. As a reminder though, I'm only suggesting that flares account for the second, 10pm sighting. Had the lights been visible for more than 5 min, this could be ruled out, but no videos show them existing for more than that duration.

I'll definitely read the account though, as likely it concerns the earlier sighting, which is still unexplained.

At least one air traffic controller, a witness named Bill Grava, has commented on the unusual lights, but alas I am still looking into many of the witness accounts. I had hoped to include them here, but one of my main sources that names these witnesses, is a documentary now purged from my DVR, so having to go other routes. (hint: "until I erase" is more like 6 months it seems).



Grava's comments:


Air traffic controller Bill Grava was on duty on March 13 at Sky Harbor International Airport. He, too, saw the lights, but not until they were on the southern horizon, slowly disappearing behind South Mountain. The lights were so bright that he thought they might have been flares.

He confirms that the object or objects did not register on radar as they passed overhead, a fact seconded by Captain Stacey Cotton of Luke Air Force Base. But both admitted that that doesn't rule out the possibility of a group of airplanes. Cotton says that the radar used by air traffic controllers reads signals emitted by transponders in the airplanes themselves.

Normally, in a formation of seven planes, only the lead plane would turn on its transponder so air traffic controllers could track it. If the lead plane's transponder was turned off, however, the seven planes could have passed by without detection.

Grava says that depending on the planes' altitude, that may have been perfectly legal.

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Once I can look back into all of these and redo some of that research, I'll post these all as a followup. Will include a lot of witnesses who saw either or both events, such as residing UFOlogists (a lot in Phoenix area), an amateur astronomer who states he saw the planes, and name some of the other video witnesses, etc.

EDIT - Not sure who stickied the thread, as I would not presume to do so for one of my own, unless for a forum informational nature, so just didn't want anyone to think otherwise. For this reason, I'm untopping the thread, and simply adding a link to the Best Cases stickied thread, to make it easy to find.

[edit on 31-12-2006 by Gazrok]


reply posted on 3-1-2007 @ 08:53 AM by Gazrok
If I recall correctly, Barwood didn't actually see the event, just was taking a stand for the community as her constituents wanted answers.




Article from The Arizona Republic.

May 11, 1997.
X-Files is Opened Into Phoenix "UFO", BarWood asks staff to investigate lights

By Susie Steckner and Chris Fiscus.

It's not exactly the kind of made-for-tv case those X-files agents would investigate. But, says Frances Emma Barwood, those strange lights in the Phoenix sky should be checked out by city staff, at the very least.

"I asked them to find out if it's a hoax or what," the Phoenix councilwoman said Friday. "I did not see it. I wish someone would have called me.

"Apparently, people all over the city got video of it. They all said it was as big as a football field."

So Sculley -Sheryl, the assistant city manager, not X-files FBI Agent Dana Scully - has asked police to look into the sightings, at Barwoods request.

"I guess they'll ask Sky Harbor, ask the military, look at videos, I'd love to see all the videos," Barwood said.

In March, callers from Prescott Valley to Tucson flooded the National UFO Reporting Center in Seattle to report the appearance of a boomerang-shaped, lighted object.

The center called it "the most dramatic sighting" reported in the past two or three years. In the following weeks, it drew hundreds of calls - even one from Las Vegas - and resulted in an inch-thick stack of written reports, center Director Peter Davenport said. Then, in April, the sighting was featured on the out-of-this world radio program called The Edge of Reality, which is produced in New York City.

"Personally, I think it's something the Air Force is working on, some sort of large transport," Barwood said.

Does she believe in UFOS? "That's a good question," she said. "I guess I have an open mind." Since God created the universe, she said, "Why couldn't he have created others?"

UFO researchers so far say they have no explanation, despite asking questions around Luke Air Force Base and local airports.

Davenport, meanwhile, is thrilled to hear that a public official is taking the sightings seriously.

"As far as I know, this is the first time I've ever heard of a local or state body taking an official stand," he said. "I'm encouraged. I'm heartened by that."

At a City Council meeting this week, Barwood said she was "a little curious" about the recent sightings. She said a television news crew asked her about the lights, and piqued her curiosity.

The crew was from the show Extra, which aired a segment Thursday about the "Phoenix UFO mystery."

Barwood said the main reason she asked the city to look into the matter is because the TV crew asked why no one was investigating the reports.

"I said, 'I'll ask.'"

"I don't know why they (the government) don't check it out and if it was nothing, say it was nothing," Barwood said. "Being there were videos of it, it has people's curiosity. Why not check it out and see if it's a hoax?"

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EDIT: added local story regarding Barwood's inquiries.

[edit on 3-1-2007 by Gazrok]


reply posted on 3-1-2007 @ 11:13 AM by Gazrok

I'm sorry to put this bulky quote in here with the picture and all, but I posted something up a little higher, and haven't seen a response. John Lear observed that the lights were in a missing man formation (traditional flying salute for a fallen brother in arms), and I'm wondering if that, as insignificant as it may seem, could have had a bearing on anything?

Sorry if this question seems simple, please don't laugh. I just like to investigate all avenues in a situation, and I'm not sure if it could be relevant or not.


If we didn't have an admitted military exercise, I suppose we could speculate, but in this case, there was an admitted flare exercise, Project Snowbird (aptly named as it involved visiting planes from the north, MD), and no acknowledgement of a "missing man" from the MD Nat. Guard. From other flare footage, the pattern seems consistent (for the second sighting), and the "missing man" formation may just be reading too much into it.

The video still above was prior to the 10pm sightings. The video is much more impressive than my screen pic, and I've only seen it on that special, not anywhere online. However, the video lights (for this vid) appear to be jets moving in formation as they move in a straight line with a little deviation between lights, etc. and at a pretty good clip.


Obviously the lights in this picture can't be part of a solid object,otherwise the stars would be blocked out!


The marks aren't stars, it's a grainy video. Of course, bright lights can also block out the stars, which is why you won't see any stars around it when looking up at a street light at night. I'm supposing that that is what made many feel it was a solid object. Same reason you can see more stars in the country than you can in the city.

[edit on 3-1-2007 by Gazrok]

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