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How did God come into existence?

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posted on Jun, 18 2010 @ 06:23 PM
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First you have to decide if God exists. By lack of proof this is faith then you have to decide if God created the Earth and the stars.

Lets say He did. So he can't be alive because life needs a place to grow.
Is He the universe ? that makes sense but we are created in his image.
So He is like us ? Maybe or we are like him.

A holographic universe would be the simple answer...

How do we test it ? We do not. We can only speculate and try not to ask questions where nobody can give an answer to.




posted on Jun, 18 2010 @ 06:36 PM
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Originally posted by ChrisJr03
How did God come into existence?


paganistic magic, science fiction, dormant dna codes, and stuff as od yet unnamed....

i can't explain the concept of "four" to someone who doesn't believe in one, two, and three very easily.

nice question.
Which way is "home"?

thanks,
ET



posted on Jun, 18 2010 @ 06:43 PM
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Originally posted by Sinter Klaas
First you have to decide if God exists. By lack of proof this is faith then you have to decide if God created the Earth and the stars.

Lets say He did. So he can't be alive because life needs a place to grow.
Is He the universe ? that makes sense but we are created in his image.
So He is like us ? Maybe or we are like him.

A holographic universe would be the simple answer...

How do we test it ? We do not. We can only speculate and try not to ask questions where nobody can give an answer to.


God created Man in his image. In Genesis chapter one God is mentioned as a spirit not as a human (Not as a human with a human shape).

So the image God created Man in is not the human shape, but the human spirit (Human mind).


There are many ways for a human to verify that God exists.

1. We can verify it by knowing who is infinite and who is finite.

2. A finite (human) can't have anything that the infinite God does not already have. Like intelligence.

3. Finite can only exist withing the infinite. Meaning we exist within God the infinite. This means that everything that we exist off, belongs to God the infinite.

4. If you know about dimensions there can only be 1 infinite, but there are many different finite.

5. We also know that the infinite dimension is a constant. That means it will never change without a will to do so.

- A infinite dimension is a constant because, It is as big as it can get.

- A infinite dimension is a constant because, It is as small as it can get.

That means what ever the infinite dimension consists of, is a constant. And won't change unless it wants to.

EDIT:

The image of what God looks like. Nothing but darkness. This is explained in Genesis Chapter 1. Verse 2.



Here you see a image of nothingness, but that does not mean there is nothing there.




[edit on 27.06.08 by spy66]



posted on Jun, 18 2010 @ 11:18 PM
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The questions it's self is a fallacy. It doesn't make sense. How can God be created? He wouldn't be God if he was created. HE ALWAYS EXISTED!

If he always existed he did not come from anywhere. You may be wondering, hmm....how is that possible? Well, there is a general principle. Either everything came from nothing OR something always existed and created everything. Those are the only two choices, so which is it?

Let’s use a little bit of logic here. Nothing can only, well...create...NOTHING. So, something obviously created everything. So, whatever created everything obviously always existed.

Some people believe that if something God always existed, well the universe must have always existed, thus eliminating the idea that God is real.

There is one slight problem with that though. To claim the Earth is eternal (meaning that is always existed and always will exist) is to apply the properties of infinity to the universe.

So let’s try to apply the properties of infinity to matter, time, and space. If matter, time, and space, cannot be eternal or infinite that means they are created by something that is not made of matter, time, and space. This would show they have the properties of God being immaterial, eternal, and omnipotent.

Lets start by showing that matter, time, and space cannot be eternal. First, we will start with time which is the measure of change in matter. Imagine flicking a light switch once. If i said i will give you a quarter after you flip the switch an infinite amount of time would i ever give you the quarter? NO! because you cannot flip a light switch an infinity amount of time. You cant reach infinity using finite instances. Another way to put it. You cannot have an infinite amount of infinite things. So time, we know has a beginning, because there could not have been an infinite amount of time.

We can look at this another way. Could there be an infinite amount of changes (time is the measure of change) between two events like the quarter example from up above? Could i give you something between now and an event in the future if there is an infinite amount of changes (time) between the two events? NO! Of course not, that means there couldn't be an infinite amount of time (changes) before right now, because we would have never reached this moment in time.

If time is finite which means time (change) had a beginning and you cannot have matter without time, because if you have matter when do you put it?

Well, there is another way to prove matter can’t be infinite either. If there cannot be an infinite amount of finite things, than all we need to do is show you matter itself is finite.

Take the nearest object near you. How many times would you have to multiply, divide, add, or subtract against itself to reach infinity? You would never reach infinity. This is the same reason you cannot flick a light switch an infinite amount of times.

This proves there is only a finite amount of matter, because you cannot have an infinite amount of finite things. So, we know that matter and time are finite, meaning they have a beginning...they were created.

This means space cannot be infinite, because space is the measure of the distance between matter. If matter ceased to exist there would be a vacuum. There would be no space. If matter is finite, that means space is finite, because there is only a finite distance between the two farthest pieces of matter in all of reality. So we know matter, time, and space are finite. They are not infinite. Therefore they are not eternal, they had a beginning.

So what created matter, time, and space? Well, lets look at the properties of something that exists without matter, time, and space. If something exists without time (measure of change) that means something don't change. There is no past or future, just an eternal now. That is why Hebrews 13:8 says "Jesus Christ is the same yesterday and today and forever." He has never changed and He never will change.



posted on Jun, 18 2010 @ 11:18 PM
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He is God, He is eternal, and He has always been. Has it occurred to you that nothing ever occurred to God? The past, present, and the future are all one. That’s why God knows the future. He is eternal and exists outside of time. If you exist without matter, that means you are immaterial which means you can’t be touched, seen, smelled, or tasted...you are not made of matter. If you exist without space that means you are omnipresent…you are everywhere, not bound by spatial restriction.

So something and we know this is a fact, because we know matter, time, and space were created and the only thing that can create matter, time, and space is something that exists without matter, time, and space. If it existed with matter, time, and space than matter, time, and space wouldn’t be created.
So, therefore, to exist without matter, time, and space means you are eternal, omnipresent, and immaterial which are the very traits of God. So something that is eternal (always existed), omnipresent (invisible, untouchable), and immaterial (everywhere) created matter, time, and space….well, what does that sound like to you?
So, God is not created. In order for everything to have been created, you need something that always existed. God always existed and he always will exist.


[edit on 18-6-2010 by TCHOP561]



posted on Jun, 19 2010 @ 03:07 AM
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What is God?

I have my own understanding of this…..

But here is what is written in the Roman collection of writings, known as the bible today….

It is written in "The Gospel According to John".

Chapter One Verses 1 to 5... Quote;

1. In the beginning was the "WORD",

( Comment... What is a word ???

It is the base of written communication! )

and the WORD was with God,

( Comment... This implies Two Components, indicated by the Word "With" )

and the WORD was God.

( Comment... The "Word" God is spelt G, O, D... i.e. The Word is God.)


2. He was in the beginning with God.

( Comment... Who is He ??? with God, and What is God ??? )

3. All things were made through Him,

( Comment Note; All things.... as written.... to be made Through Him.
And who is Him ??? Is the word "He" referring to God ??? Or Him who was with God ??? )

And without Him nothing was made that was made.

4. In Him was LIFE,
and the LIFE was the LIGHT of Men.

( Comment... as in SUN LIGHT.) (In Greek…. Φ Ω Σ)

5. And the LIGHT shines in the darkness,
and the darkness did Not comprehend it.

( Comment so the 3 components mentioned in the above verses appears to be…

a. The WORD, Spelt G, O, D. ( a "Geometric Algorithm" )
b. The LIGHT. ( The LIFE of God. )
c. HIM. ( Him that was with God. )

The LIGHT ( Entity or Component, LIFE of God or LIGHT of Men. ) spoke through The Carpenter called Jesus today.

In "The Book of Malachi" OT in Chapter 4 Verse 2 refers to "The SUN of Righteousness"... Known to Christians, as The Son of God.



My understand is that "Awareness" ( Spiritual ) is the Root or what was known as God... And His Son or "first born" was The LIGHT.

As is Written where J.C. said, "I am The Way, The Truth and The LIGHT,

and "I am The Way The Truth and The LIFE."

Without these two ( "Awareness" and "LIGHT") this Universe would Not be here today.

Most fail to understand that "Nothing" is Something or we would not have the word "Nothing" in our language today.

But to understand this we have to see both "Something" and "Nothing" as being Components...

To understand this you need to understand the "Geometric Algorithm" of the Paradox..

The Algorithm involves these two "Opposites" and "Awareness".

This Algorithm was on the covers of old bibles and hymn books...

INZ... see a photo copy of this, in an earlier post on the previous page of this thread...

[edit on 19-6-2010 by The Matrix Traveller]



posted on Jun, 20 2010 @ 02:24 AM
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God isn't a creation. If He was, then He wouldn't be God; He'd merely be a product of whatever or whoever proceeded Him (like we are).

[edit on 20-6-2010 by ChickenPie]



posted on Jun, 21 2010 @ 11:22 PM
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I apologise for the poor graphics..

The frame rate is Not 100% compatible, but it still shows the Concept.

This crude Animation, shows the dividing of "darkness" (a mixture of Black and White.) into its two components of Light...

a. Black
b. White

Note; how the receding of the "White" content forms the Location of Infinity.... also known as the Vanishing Point.

The First Part of the Animation, involves the dividing of darkness to form a single Particle.. and goes on to form a Line.

The second part of the animation, involves the dividing of "darkness" and a stream of Particles (Light) emitting from a single source, to form a denser Line and go on to form a Disk (Plane) and how "Form" is rotated out of a Line (Plane viewed on Edge).

Once again I apologise for the poor definition of the different gray levels.



[edit on 21-6-2010 by The Matrix Traveller]



posted on Jul, 8 2010 @ 06:40 AM
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Originally posted by TCHOP561
He is God, He is eternal, and He has always been. Has it occurred to you that nothing ever occurred to God? The past, present, and the future are all one. That’s why God knows the future. He is eternal and exists outside of time. If you exist without matter, that means you are immaterial which means you can’t be touched, seen, smelled, or tasted...you are not made of matter. If you exist without space that means you are omnipresent…you are everywhere, not bound by spatial restriction.

So something and we know this is a fact, because we know matter, time, and space were created and the only thing that can create matter, time, and space is something that exists without matter, time, and space. If it existed with matter, time, and space than matter, time, and space wouldn’t be created.
So, therefore, to exist without matter, time, and space means you are eternal, omnipresent, and immaterial which are the very traits of God. So something that is eternal (always existed), omnipresent (invisible, untouchable), and immaterial (everywhere) created matter, time, and space….well, what does that sound like to you?
So, God is not created. In order for everything to have been created, you need something that always existed. God always existed and he always will exist.


[edit on 18-6-2010 by TCHOP561]


So, here a question. After all the logical arguments of the post before this one, why are you tossing all that logic out the window in this post?

If two "things" have the capacity to interact, then they both share a level of physical context (maybe molecular foundation, but at the very least they must share relative position within a causal trajectory), since definite physical interaction logically requires that shared contextual state. If God created humanity, and maintains a physical influence on humanity, then how is it that God can be infinite and corporeal humanity (as well as the Earth itself) be finite? Molecular structure is finite, and causational trajectory is finite, and yet, somehow this God is capable of being infinite, while interacting within a finite realm.

So how does God back-fill the required causal history within a specific ongoing causal trajectory to enable interface within that causal trajectory? And do this within all moments of potential causation, and at the same time, while not being impacted at all by inclusion within any of these causal trajectories?

An infinte being is not physically positioned within any causal trajectory, so how does God affect what is within, and the direct result of, a causal trajectory? The issue is shared context within a physical realm. Logic demands that physical interaction involve shared physical context, and the notion of an infinite (non-causal) being interacting with a finite (causal) being violates the logical structure that's necessary for either being to exist.

Maybe we're not defining God properly by listening to ancient men who didn't even know that they had cells in their own bodies?



posted on Jul, 8 2010 @ 08:37 PM
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It is written (Reported) in "The Gospel According to John" in the "Roman Collection" of Greek and Hebrew Writings, known as the bible today..
In Chapter 1 V. 4.... Quote;



In Him (God ???) was LIFE,
and The LIFE was the LIGHT of Men.


So this is all about The "LIGHT".

LIGHT is Not a person or The Human Species…

J.C. was the "LIGHT" Reportedly and spoke through "the Carpenter"known as Jesus today. (in human understanding only.)

LIGHT involves Black & White, Red, Orange, Yellow, Green, Blue, Indigo, and Violet...

The 7 Spirits of LIGHT between Black & White.

So we need to get J.C. in the "Correct Context" First…

The LIGHT of Man is The "LIFE" of God…

The "Carpenter of Nazareth" was of human form, but with a twist to it.

The "Spirit" or "Character" of "LIGHT" (Living) Spoke through "the Carpenter".

Why can't the Human Species understand what is written in it's original Context ???

Well things were understood then in a totally different way than we understand today.

But this does Not suggest either they, or us were/are Right or Wrong in our interpretation of all...
Instead that the Ancients merely saw things differently... and we can't interpret what was written back then, in today’s understanding.

In Reality… very, very little is known about ourselves, the Earth and the Universe even today, yet the "human species" acts as though they understand everything in Truth ???

The writings were/are all about LIGHT (as in Sun Light etc)... and The "History" of the SOUL.

But for some reason... the Human Species is bent on only looking at the physical (so called) content which is NOT what the writings are about.
Or they are bent on “Humanising” everything, as though the writings are talking about the so called physical world and their human form ???

The "Human Species" is continually trying to match the writings to history of the Earth only.

But all the places mentioned in the Writings….. are Places or “Components” of “ZION”, but these places on Earth are only named after those Components or Places in ZION.

ZION is Not of the Earth…. but is the Place that manifests the World and Universe, (Inside each Soul) and ”ZION” can be seen if you know how to see it…

Perhaps this is where the Confusion starts... The lack of knowledge what ZION actually is ???

The Writings are a "PARABLE"

But the origin of The All is from the "LIGHT"

LIGHT does NOT come from the Sun or Stars (Well I guess it does in the sense that we see it "Come From" the Sun and Stars ???) but rather the Sun and Stars are like openings for LIGHT to come through from the "Outer" to the "Inner" (universe seen). This is through Nuclear phenomenon, I suppose you could say, in human understanding but this is another story.

[edit on 8-7-2010 by The Matrix Traveller]



posted on Jul, 8 2010 @ 08:57 PM
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That's one of those questions we will never know in this life time.
But it say's somewhere in the bible, I think... "I am the A and the Z the beginning and the end." Perhaps being humans ruled by time we always look for a beginning and end to everything... When did time itself begin? Maybe an omnipotent god never had a beginning cause he's always existed. Time is probably irrelevant in the spirit world...



posted on Jul, 9 2010 @ 09:53 PM
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"Time" is a "Human measurement" of the rate of change in anything.

This is based only on human understanding and a reference measurement introduced by humankind to compare with.

But in reality it is always now.

i.e. The "Present"

The Word "Present" as in meaning a Gift.... is also the same spelling as the Word "Present" referring to "Time" ???

So how do we relate to future or Past ???

Perhaps they are all one and "time" is an illusion.

Is Time a constan or does it fluctuate as we have no "Absolute" to compare it to???

To measure something is only "comparing" two or more things, and doesn't give us anything absolute with regard to the All.

Is a bit like saying it is 100 km from one place to another where a given distance is used as a reference and is compared with another distance.

All we find is that there is 100 of the reference i.e. 1 km in the distance being measured and nothing else.

When we try to measure say a distance in "Space", the same applies it is only relevant to the two measurements involved, and is not really relevant in the overall (The All), if you can understand what I am trying to show you.

So is the Human measurement we call "Time" absolute ???

It is only comparing things again ???

[edit on 9-7-2010 by The Matrix Traveller]



posted on Jul, 9 2010 @ 10:04 PM
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The universe is caused by God, God is uncaused.

The origin of all things can not itself have an origin unless it was self-caused or always existed.

God is eternal, and so it was never created in time but rather is the creator of Time.

Read the Consolation of Philosophy by Boethius for a further overview.



posted on Jul, 10 2010 @ 06:22 PM
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From "The Gospel of Thomas"..... Quote;




50. Jesus said,

“If they say to you, “Where did you come from?”

say to them,

“We came from The Light,

the place where The Light
came into being
on Its own accord

and established Itself
and became manifest
through their Image.”


If they say to you, “Is it you?”

say, “We are its children,
and we are the elect
of The Living Father.”

If they ask you, “What is the sign of your Father in you?”

say to them, “It is Movement and Repose.”



posted on Jul, 10 2010 @ 06:26 PM
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I see God from time to time and each time a ponder this...I think to myself...how could that have ever not been here.

God is Juggernaut...what could possibly claimed to have moved him?

God simply is and nonexistence of God is an absurd notion.

for the record...relative to our reality God exists in an entirely different space.

His Throne is like a golden bar set against a skyblue and white background and makes the sound of a trumpet.

If any of you has a craft that can move faster than light, then you can see his Throne, his word, his self...



posted on Jun, 17 2011 @ 09:04 AM
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God if real is made of some kind of matter or energy, God could not think or create if not. So where or how did a god get power? God cannot be of something and from nothing at the same time. Or can it? Schrödinger's cat both dead and alive. (Albert Einstein) I believe in Spinoza's God who reveals himself in the orderly harmony of what exists, not in a God who concerns himself with the fates and actions of human beings. If God made us why does he only care about our souls? Why does God not care about our food, our energy problems, our air, and our oceans? You think he would teach us many things besides death. If you have read the bible all God did a lot of killing in the Old Testament woman, man, children and babies or had humans do it for him. Is that the love and wisdom of a God? Man kills and destroys don’t you think a God would be above that? What is the point of life? Is this a test? So what about babies who are born and die hours after birth do they go to heaven UN judge untested? Why do us who survive birth either go to hell or heaven for our actions? So if god was always here how does a God make something from nothing? Is God a witch that just thinks of an idea and it just happens? Then why is magic called evil? I don’t think even a God can make something from nothing, so there had to always be some kind of atom, matter or energy that started the snow ball of Evolution of all things, we know how many things are made on earth like diamonds its not magic it's a process from cause and effects of matter.
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posted on Jun, 17 2011 @ 11:45 AM
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Lol why do people say we can’t comprehend God, Look at all that mankind has done and dreamed of, there is nothing we can’t comprehend in our minds or understand in time. Most humans are just worker bees and do nothing important except do the work for humanity. It’s the 1% of our race people like Einstein’s, Darwin, Confucius, Newton, Aristotle that are not born every day for example that bring understanding to our race. Just read what people write and to say we can’t understand is foolish just about every possible idea has been thought about and them ideas that have not will be at some time in our history. People use to think all kind of crazy things we use to burn witches LOL witch craft is not real if it was most men would be frogs, If there was a God he would talk to us and not be hidden. He would help us understand, he would teach us how to make clean energy, and he would show us how to save our world he would not leave us alone. Why would God if real not be here to guide us? We split the atom, we made cell phones, we have the internet, and we know we can travel to the future but can’t go at the speed of light yet. We now know there are billions of galaxies, we are learning to make body parts, people use to think the world was flat and that the sun went around the Earth; we are always learning new facts and making understanding new things.



posted on Jun, 18 2011 @ 03:17 PM
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To add more salt to the wound, if God created something then God is not infinite. Creating something means the existence of void that is filled after the creation. And if there was a void, which God filled by creating this universe, then God was not infinite.



posted on Jun, 19 2011 @ 01:04 AM
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To add more salt to the wound, if God created something then God is not infinite. Creating something means the existence of void that is filled after the creation. And if there was a void, which God filled by creating this universe, then God was not infinite.


But a Void would have to be produced, or it would NOT exist...

A Void can also be infinite.



posted on Jun, 19 2011 @ 01:24 AM
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You could read The Language of God by Frances Collins. Then again you could come back with Climbing Mount Improbable by Richard Dawkins as well. Only way I can really think of to absolutely prove Creation is to be there at the beginning or die and come back perhaps. I mean really gravity is a matter of faith in science. Many things we think of as scientific facts will be disproved or adjusted later. Just imagine science 500 years from now. Like religion it has evolved. Unlike science I guess religion is more prone to being watered down over time rather than vetted. I reckon science has been a big part in that. Either way asking a human prove creation absolutely is unfair. Dr. Collins comes close.




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