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Originally posted by SugarCube
reply to post by NorEaster
Hi NorEaster, "he tasks me, he tasks me" ;-)
Within your first paragraph you give a ready clue as to the purpose of "emanation", in that "Without structure, cohesive expression would be impossible"
In terms of corporeal presence, and so definable by physical dimensions, (i.e. tangible) this represents only the emanation and not the ante hoc state of being which I essentially quoted as entirely intangible and undefinable.
The singularity is defined as a 'corporeal' material and by insinuation has a multitude of different attributes to it, all co-existent within a single 'structural' framework that supports the application comparative attributes (i.e. as in the 5 elements by division and notional multiplication, i.e. dividing by 2 resulting in double the number of entities).
ante hoc must be an unknowable state, but the axiom of "as above so below" represents a reflection of the process of emanation as applied to the corporeal nature of the universe as observed almost three hundred years ago and indeed, prior to that.
"By divine manipulation of division was birth given to multiplication and in this do we see the very working of the world about us for does man not multiply by division?"
I do not believe that there is a question over whether this state of being (i.e. post hoc) may exist since many scientific theories support the occurrence of a 'big bang' initiation of the physical universe (I say 'physical' rather than 'corporeal' since there are elementary particles with zero mass).
In terms of whether a Deity Entity has 'always' existed, a prerequisite for this assessment would be the constant presence of 'time' in order to sustain. Since time may be regarded as an associated attribute of dimensional physics, without it we could conceive that the presence of the The All may exist without age and without beginning or end, or even a spatial existence (as is implied by the original quoted text).
You can only apply the consistent and consequential logic of progressive advancement to an environmental state where time is applicable, otherwise, all events occur simultaneously within a non-dimensional existence or at least a non-coherent fusion of all states that must always occur.
Originally posted by Termite197
If God came from nothing, and always existed........Then how did he get so smart and "all-knowing"? Isn't knowledge and character something we learn from yrs of experiance? Where did he get his language from? ways of communication and thinking?
My point to these questions is......I am leaning towards there being more than one God.
Hows the quote go? "made man in OUR own image"?
I will always stay open minded to religion but not be fooled by it. We all have to stop pretending like we know what the hell is going on in the world because we don't, and until the entire world realizes that, religion will continue to destroy us.
14. And when Joseph saw the understanding of The Child and his age,
that He was growing to maturity, he resolved again that He should not
remain ignorant of LETTERS;
and he took Him and handed Him over to another teacher.
And the teacher said to Joseph:
"FIRST I will teach Him GREEK,
and THEN HEBREW."
For the teacher knew The Child's knowledge and was afraid of Him.
Nevertheless he WROTE the alphabet and practised it with Him for a long time;
but He gave him no answer.
And Jesus said to him: If you are indeed a teacher, and if you know the LETTERS
well, tell Me the MEANING of The ALPHA,
and I will tell you that of THE BETA."
And the teacher was annoyed and struck Him on the head.
Originally posted by Cor Leonis
The Bible tells me to avoid foolish questions, but I will say this, that God is love and He created the Heavens and the Earth including humans so He could show His love. When Adam messed it all up, well He didn't stop loving. He sent His own son to die so that which was lost could be regained, which is fellowship with God through the Son. Again God is love!
You can't explain God with human reasoning. LOL And God never had a beginning, He's referred to as the "Eternal One".
Originally posted by flyindevil
The thought of a conscious, all knowing, all powerful being just always existing makes no sense at all. How can it have a consciousness with no nervous system, body, or sensors?
From "Edge of Consciousness " by Cire:
"Awareness rests upon the beating of your heart,
the firing of nerves, and the actions of a universe
of tiny little branches for every single thought
required for the concept of what you think you are."
No creator I've ever heard of as had a nervous system.
Hence, it is either mindless or non-existant.
Originally posted by ChrisJr03
Many of us on these threads debate how the universe and how it was made. I'm just curious though, if God (The Creator) made the universe, how did God come into existence. I'm not sure if anyone has asked this yet, but I just decided to throw it out there, please give me your thoughts, whether you believe God created the universe or not; I am interested in knowing what you think.
Originally posted by anxietydisorder
God was created my man, and it's the worst piece of fiction ever created.
It was desperate men trying to seek answers for questions they could not understand.
Once a society had a God, or Gods, it was then used by men to control the people. The more horror or fear that could be instilled on the populous the better.
I'm of the opinion that it was man that created God, not the other way around.
Originally posted by Trudge
If you follow your heart good will come of this and peace is what you will be rewared. If you are full of hate and rage, your mind will slowly be eaten away like a raging fire in a lush forest, leaving a hollow shell of once a creature of God. If you look at the world around you and you see people who seem to not have a care in the world and do so much harm to others around them they will not last. In the end there mind will be eaten away and they will no longer be who they once were, a creature of God. I do not go to church and feel that you do not need to go to church to be with God. He made us, he is always with us, he can only show us the door but we have to be the one to choose to walk with him.