out of all the people who have posted I think you are most deserving of a direct result. It’s when you said lies-untruths like this
that you really got my attention…
Under that dictator Christians and Muslims suffered mass murders (hundreds of thousands of them) and had state sponsored mass rape, so no one
was 'living together'. They are just being murdered together.
I just feel sorry that you now need to use made up facts to support your arguments. Of course it wouldn’t be the first time the anti Saddam lobby
has done this…
But like all lies they are greatly counter productive to the free market of ideas, and therefore to progress itself. Read through this response and
you’ll definitely see what I mean.
But first I want to counter some of your opinions…
Originally posted by Flyers Fan
Unless he dies, his followers will use him as an excuse to take hostages and to threaten to blow up things to gain his release.
I think both the Resistance and the Terrorist’s knew we would never release Saddam as long as we had him in our custody.
Ironically Flyers Fan
the reality is that the predominant factor in causing terrorism against our troops is the fact that the majority of
people in Iraq want us out of Iraq…
Even mainstream news research confirms this reality…
(Here’s some right wing-respected sources for you…)
22 October 2005: “Up to 65% of Iraqis support attacks against our troops”
According to the populist party of America 82% of Iraqis want us out
Even WorldPublicOpinion.org says its 7 in 10.
USA today said: 28th of April 2004: Only a third of Iraqis believe “occupation is doing more good than harm”.
They suffered under him
Most people now understand that Iraqis enjoyed many benefits under Saddam in comparison to those benefits they have today. Today even the rubbish
collection in Baghdad and most of Iraq has gone. Iraqis are fighting an internal war against Muslim fundamentalism and Muslim Fundamentalism is
winning; in part because it is aided by our democracy; or is it the fact 60% of Iraqis are Shiites and about the same number are impoverished
Either way Sunni and Shiite Iraqis were once well integrated into an orderly, peaceful but politically authoritarian society. The death toll of
this authoritarian state is a fraction of the death toll caused by the sectarian violence; regretfully “liberated” during our 3 plus year
Because through political oppression through Saddam only killed 300,000 (even according to the highest ratings)
Compare that with the 650,000 Iraqis killed since the liberation of their societies most vicious hatful elements.
Furthermore the 300,000 figure (spread well over 25-34 years) (depending on how you judge Saddam really controlled Iraq) is another 180,000 down if
you take into account the violence against the Kurds. This is relevant to the context of the 1980’s when Iraq was fighting Iran and those within its
borders who openly sided with them. Therefore it is not that relevant to what life was like under Saddam 2003 or even what it would have been like in
In my opinion Saddam was the right leader for this rather alien foreign country.
His son Uday was a bit of a nut case. There was a time Saddam was going to have him killed because his son had murdered a close friend (food taster).
Personally I wish Saddam had, because a few more people would still have been alive today. However Uday also played a significant useful role within
the government so this stance isn’t as straightforward as it may first seem.
Saddam did build some really nice palaces during his days in power. But not one palace was even completed during Sanctions. And had even all the money
from the oil for food programme gone to Iraqi people they would only have had 300 dollars each. The fact some money was taken is in my opinion
completely justified because it prevented the regime from disintegrating which like its removal has, would have led to the kind of Iraqi society we
have today, and therefore far more death. Anyway I don’t like the idea of pro-Iranian government no matter how many Iraqi people may look up to
By getting rid of his WMD’s Saddam did we what we wanted. We should have lifted sanctions (accept perhaps bar those which would legalise military
equipment sales). And if we had Iraq would not be a military threat, because its military would still be outdated, and its society would not be in
uncontrolled, unreasonable and unpredictable state of bloody civil war (with and against Muslim fundamentalism).
Iraq was once close to becoming a fully westernised place to live in. A bad place to do the wrong kinds politics, but a decent place to visit, do
trade with, or live in (if you can). The whole stupid war could have been avoided, and our populace, economy and politics-progress would be better of
I hope for George Bush’s sake that: the camera just lies, the psychic hallucinates (when they tell the truth) and so too does the human brain, and
any other things which testify there is indeed an afterlife.
What I laugh at is how many (so called) American Christians voted for him because he opposed stem cell research. Isn’t this just another bold
political path George Bush chose to take at the expense of human life?
(Not least to mention the animals held hostage in our Labourites by our demands to solve human diseases). I’ll support experimenting on few skin
cells. After all they couldn’t even naturally outside of the human body). Stem cells never feel pain, but Iraqis do, and so do contradictions caused
by costly religious beliefs. It’s funny that under Bush this is happening in America through one way and in Iraq through another.
Here is how Iraq used to have 1.4 million Christians in the 1980’s
Today Iraq’s Christian form less
than 3% of the population… www.cia.gov...
That’s because the population has shrunk by half since the occupation
According to the last link Iraq’s Christian population was 1.2 million in 2003. Today it’s about 450,000 according to some of others. It’s a far
cry from when Saddam ruled Iraq and his excellent English speaking, top foreign minister was a Catholic Christian
I think George Bush has been a bad ambassador for that secret organisation called Skull and Cross bones. He’s so bad I almost reckon we should
restrict people from organisations like these. But then I don’t know them, and so I guess, I can’t judge them.
But hay just imagine what it must be like to be the current
president of the United Stases? I reckon it would be like hell, because you would
know that if there is a hell you would be going to it. And if there isn’t a hell your life is meaningless. This I suppose would be the most
I guess its not just Bush; there are others like Rumsfeld, and some other extraordinary moral criminals who (unlike some of those in Texas) actually
deserve the electric chair.
At least you are unwittingly or otherwise siding with the Bush Regime and those who oppose Saddam Hussein like Osama Bin Laden, the Iranian President
(not to mention his Craziness “Ayatollah Nuclear”) the Iraqi Shiites who suffered so much under Saddam, and suffer today too; but at least are now
free to build a Muslim Fundamentalist state democratically. Intellectually I look forward to seeing the fruits of your anti Saddam, somewhat
Ba’thist lobbying paying of at the next Iraqi elections. But politically and emotionally I oppose it all the way. Why don’t you join me?