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Originally posted by timoothy
Im trying to find the owner's of the so-called hide out house --and found some interesting facts-----Osama has ties to La Cosa Nostra in brighton beach.
IF you contacted them previous, why the use of a 'generic' common number>?
Leslie has provided evidence of an Aug 12 fist contact and is trying to disprove her own claim.
Originally posted by kickoutthejams
Leslie, I think the testimony of the other FM whose cousin 'the general' called him to let him know Osama had been captured needs to be discounted.
That particular forum member is only 13 years old! And are we to believe a General with that kind of security clearance is going to call this news into his 13 year old cousin?
Leslie, i have read this entire thread. my reasoning for saying you should write a 5-10 page report on this matter and include every little detail is because then you couldnt make up a story as people asked you questions. you would have to write the report and stick to it.
I failed to mention it, but before I started hunting for terrorists I was spending a lot of time looking for missing persons. I focused a lot on cold cases and felt like I was having some degree of success. The problem was that I was spending so much time and energy on my new endeavor that I was becoming really tired. [...] It is really hard for me to give up on something once I put my mind to it, but I was so tired that I almost decided to give up on my new passion. Then I saw something in front of my house that I had never seen before. I saw a full rainbow.
I have NOT intentionally left out claims that don't fit, I just tried to stick to those quotes that gave clues about dates and times that are verifiable through the records and emails; content was secondary. But see for yourself. If you find anything missing, please feel free to contribute quotes I've missed. This is all about plot holes in Leslies fairy tale. Let's go.
times, dates, phone #'s
I know all of this, because using a laptop and the power of the internet, I was able to figure out some of the Al Qaida member's aliases and locate their living quarters in Brooklyn, New York. I communicated this information with the FBI throughout the month of August. Perhaps not coincidentally, two days after I turned in my first tip, the British Airway attack plans were thwarted.
I do not have any recordings, although I guess I could try to find phone records that have the numbers I called listed. However, I was using a land line and don't know how to easily access such information.
Leslie, pg. 6 of this thread
(AKA'S SIDE NOTE: actually, the list for the land lines were easier to get than the cell phone records. Also, there are more calls listed on the cell phone log than on the land line log.)
I ordered a few phone records though so I'm hoping that will help.
Leslie in private MySpace message, Jan. 12
I got a phone record that shows I called the FBI the same day I sent the first email about Osama. I'm going to scan it and send it to you soon.
Leslie in private MySpace message, Jan. 20
Akareyon: I have another question. Most calls to Houston had a duration of only 1 or 2 minutes, some of them went in short intervals (like the morning of August 11th). What was that?
Leslie: Yes, I was asking for a particular agent. They would say she wasn't available and I could call back later. The othere calls were short because I told them I was sending an email with the pertinant information.
private messages via MySpace, Jan. 25
I wanted to share with you another aspect of my story that I only hinted at in my previous blogs,. I believe I may know the truth about how the British Airway attack plans were thwarted. Prior to turning in the alias and address of Osama to the FBI, I was already working with them to find other terrorists. I turned the first tip in on August 7, 2006 I'm not going to say who he was because he might not have been arrested yet, but I will say that he was a very well-know Al Qaida operative. I believe they took the information and listened in on him to gather intelligence.
from that email:
>I am taking a break for a few days, so if you call, leave a message and
>someone will get back to you. You can also email. Also, I wanted to tell
>you that this guy fits right into my theory about the network. He fits the
>profile. I will describe it later after you check out my lead. If for
>some reason he is not the one I think he is, he is definately part of the
>network and should be questioned. I just think he is the one in particular
>because of the Alias he is using. --€€€€€€€€€€
>P.S. Keep me posted. Email is the best way to reach me right now.
The one about Osama was about 8 minutes.
Leslie in private MySpace message, Jan. 24
from that email:
>I believe this individual may be Osama Bin Laden. I am the same person
>that tipped off about the operative in brooklin. I beleive there are safe
>houses in Brooklin where they hang out before a plot emerges. I believe he
>likes to oversee the disaster personally. I have uncovered strong evidence
>that this is the name he is going by. Someone by that name came into
>brooklin a few months before 911 and a few months after 911. Please check
>this out quickly before he has time to leave the country, if in fact it is
>him. I assume he has probably shaved his beard in order to fit in. This
>person has been here since March.
Besides I made it clear to the FBI that they were guesses. I never told them I had hard-core evidence or knew the people personally.
Leslie, pg. 8 of this thread (AKA'S SIDE NOTE: actually, her emails begin with "I think" or "I believe")
from that email:
>This is the entire report. I think that if this is Osama Bin Laden's hang
>out anyone living here could be suspected of being a terrorist. Look
>carefully at the confirmed addresses. A lot of them are middle eastern.
There is another one the next day where I spoke to someone for 20 minutes about another lead. This may have been the lengthy conversation where I was called a "gifted researcher" and a "true patriot".
Leslie in same private MySpace message quoted above, Jan. 24
On another occasion I called the FBI late at night and spoke to an agent who was very curious about me. We spoke hypothetically about Osama being in Brooklyn. He asked me a lot of personal questions about myself. I think he wanted to know more about the person who found Osama Bin Laden. In the same conversation he called me a "gifted researcher" and a "true patriot". He was definitely not joking.
I also had an FBI agent on a different occasion ask me a lot about myself. He said, "So you think he (Osama) is in Brooklyn?" He was speaking hypothetically to me. We had a lengthy conversation. In the same conversation he said he thought I was a "gifted researcher" and a" true patriot". It was late and night and I think he wanted to know more about the person who found UBL.
Leslie, pg. 6 of this thread
from that email:
>This is, I beleive Osam's profile on his main website. If you can get
>someone abroad to get an account or hack in somehow, you can access his
>posts. He goes by Hussain7 --€€€€€€€€€€€€€€
>Google search Hussain7, maybe you'll find more. Put your geeks after it!
Transferred to New York
Normal FBI protocal is for a person to call tips into the local office in their local area. For a while I did this. However, since my tips were so good and they were all reguarding terrorists in New York, I was eventually told to call the New York office directly and ask for the terrorist task force. The New York FBI was briefed and was expecting my calls. They gave me their email so that I could email the tips to them. Here is a screenshot of one of the emails.
>> screenshot e of said e-mail.
It is a fact that would be vehemently disputed by most members of the U.S. government, that Osama Bin Laden was arrested by the New York FBI on the morning of August 16th, 2006. I believe this was done in the early morning at his residence in Brooklyn, New York by the FBI's terrorist task force.
On the late morning of August 16th, 2006 I called the FBI in New York and asked to speak with the terrorist task force. They put me through. This was several days after I had given them the name and address of Osama. They were whooping and hollering and seemed to be celebrating something. I have never heard a group of FBI agents being so noisy and excited before. They are normally a very calm, quiet, professional group. Any of you who have ever dealt with the FBI before will know this to be true. I heard one of them holler from the background, "Is that the Green Lady?" The agent I was speaking to said, "Yeah." He then asked me if I had the lotto picks. It was obvious that they thought that I could walk on water or something. I thought, "They must have arrested Osama." This seemed like the only possible thing that could make them this excited. It was really cool listening to them celebrate, especially since the 911 attacks were in New York and these were New Yorkers who made the arrest. Every agent I spoke with that day and part of the next day was treating me like a hero. They kept thanking me profusely for my tips. Some of them sounded like they wanted to cry. Later that evening I called back and asked the agent on staff if I could be optimistic that there would be an announcement. He said, "Definitely." He also said that once their report was received by Washington, the announcement would be made that night or early the next morning. I bought champagne and chilled it. I stayed up all night watching CNN. The ice melted and the champagne became warm. The announcement never came.
They were celebrating something. I could tell. I have never heard them so happy. They were hooting and hollering and very noisy. That night I called back and asked if I could be "optimistic" that there would be an announcement. In all seriousness the agent said that there would be one as soon as a report was sent to Washington. He told me he believed the announcement would be made either that night or early the next morning. This is why I stayed up all night waiting for an announcement.
They were celebrating and happy. I could tell. Also, that same night, an agent very seriously told me that there was going to be annoucement as soon as the report was sent to Washington. He did not say what the announcement would be, but why would he tell me there was going to be an announcement?
Leslie, pg. 6 of this thread
Then sometime during the next day or so, something disturbing happened. After a brief time of being treated like a hero and being called a gifted researcher and being thanked repeatedly for my tips, the plug was pulled. When I had been calling in the tips before, I would announce that I was the one calling in the Brooklyn tips and they would always put me straight through to whoever was in charge.
As you can see there is one call that I made from my land line to New York the day after Osama's capture. There were also multiple calls to Houston right after his capture. I couldn't get hardly any infmation out of New York as to why there was no announcement, so I started calling Houston. When we get the cell phone records you will see that there were, in fact, many more calls to New York.
(email to me)
Two days after Osama's arrest, I called and mentioned Brooklyn and they acted like they didn't know what I was talking about. I called several different offices and got the same response. I can only conclude that they were given a direct order to deny all knowledge of the Brooklyn operation. However, I did get one agent to talk to me a little bit. I told this New York agent after he started to give me the cold shoulder, "Come on, you know you guys arrested Osama." He said, "Prove it." I mentioned about the celebration the other day when I called and you know what he did? He admitted that they caught him and he suggested that I turn him in, that it would make me feel better. I, of course, did not turn him in. I was just happy that someone had finally admitted what I already knew to be true, that Osama Bin Laden had been arrested two days earlier. I could tell from his tone that he was angry that they weren't going to get any of the credit.
This was an unbusy office in a small town near me. There were only like 3 or people in the office to begin with. I kept calling because they were blowing me off. I needed to know whether or not I was going to sign a non-disclosure statement in exchange for the money. If I was going to sign a non-disclosure statement I was planning on going public with what I knew. I needed an anwer so I could move on. He told me it would take a day or so and he would get back to me. Days later he still hadn't gotten back to me. I had to try to get them to give me an answer so I could move on. [...] The office that wanted me to stop calling was from a larger, busier city office. I didn't harrass this office at all. I called twice trying to set up an appointment to collect the money. I think they were given an order not to talk to me or something. Before UBL was captured they always welcomed my calls and thanked me for my tips. I gave up on the big city office and called a smaller office in a smaller city near me. That is where I went to try to collect the money.
Leslie, pg. 11 of this thread
I did contact them back in August. Noone would touch the story. I wish I had recorded my conversations with the FBI then I would have the hardcofre evidence I really need to get the truth out. Most of what I have now is cimcumstantial and eyewitness testimony.
so why haven't you contacted the major news networks?
Leslie, Page 3 of this thread
I think rainbows are for everyone to enjoy.
Leslie on pg. 16 of this thread
Please let me try to put together my part of the puzzle. Your story is true, some assumptions are wrong. Remember my "Lord Of War" picture?
I have a vivid fantasy. The bin Ladens (600 member family) and the Bushes were close friends. Many secrets shared. Much money involved. Osama: family member. Let's assume he was sent [dispatched] by neocon forces in the White House to join Sawahiri and his "Muslim Brotherhood" in their battle for a muslim or pan-arabic nation, give them money and weapons, to fight the Soviet Union. Cold War ends: mudjahiddeen think they won the Afghan war. GWB is president of the USA, neocons rule. Some of them, like Condi, Rummy and Dick, are members of the PNAC. Their aim: a heavily militarized country, proxy wars, world domination. "Mein Kampf" rhetorics laid down in a small book titled "Rebuilding Americas Defenses", 2000. www.newamericancentury.org... - the infamous "New Pearl Harbor" line.
Sawahiri and bin Laden in interview around 98/99: attack american soil from now on. 9/11/2001 exactly that happened. While almost all passenger flights around the globe were cancelled, Air Force One flew all bin Laden family members out of the country.
Osama has been on the run for quite some time. He is said to be disowned by his family and expelled by the saudi government. Even prior to 9/11, most countries that granted him asylum, wanted him out - Sudan, for example. The USA refused. German and French secret services [alledgedly] offered the CIA intelligence on al Qaeda plans to attack WTC - the USA refused. It's funny that many sightings of OBL have been reported in various countries around the globe. It's even funnier that, in July 2005, CIA director Porter Goss said: "I have an excellent idea of where he is. What's the next question?" news.bbc.co.uk... (can you contact him?) - and ain't it really funny that a french report claims that Osama stayed in a Dubai Hospital in July 2001, where he was allegedly met by a CIA agent? www.guardian.co.uk... CIA denies that, of course.
After bombing Tora Bora and combing the whole area between afghanistan and pakuistan, the CIA or at least Mossad should have a vague idea which tribe chief had given him asylum - yet they have none?
So either, the Osama conspiracy is really from high up and it will remain one of the many unsolved cases like JFK, Pearl Harbor, 9/11 and Area 51, or you compile everything you have. Your evidence must be waterproof. The faxes you sent. Documents. E-Mails. The whole chronology. The list of
calls you've made, phone numbers, e-mail adresses, names. Written testimony from your partner. Everything. Keep any assumptions out. Facts only.
Remember Leslie's link to the document about the Al Kifah Refugee Center in NY? I also believe I've read somewhere that Azzam crossed the borders despite being on the watch list. If he could do that, why not Osama?
Sheikh Abdullah Azzam, bin Laden’s mentor, makes repeated trips to the US and other countries, building up his organization, Makhtab al-Khidimat (MAK), also known as the Services Office. Azzam founded the MAK in 1984 (see 1984). Branches of the MAK open in over 30 US cities, as Muslim-Americans donate millions of dollars to support the Afghan war against the Soviet Union. Azzam is assassinated in a car bomb attack in late 1989. Some US intelligence officials believe bin Laden ordered the killing. Bin Laden soon takes over the MAK, which morphs into al-Qaeda. His followers take over MAK’s offices in the US, and they become financial conduits for al-Qaeda operations. [Lance, 2003, pp. 40-41]
[sarcasm]Aha! Ein Rückzugsgefecht![/sarcasm]
Originally posted by talisman
You said your sure she hasn't faked her logs or emails.
Who is your source for the call listings and cell-phone calls to the FBI? Is Leslie the sole source of information?
I would invite you to go over your list again, carefully this time