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Jehovah's witnesses and freemasons?

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posted on Dec, 30 2006 @ 07:24 PM
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Ahem..as I said before my phone wont allow me to post a hyperlink so I just gave the address,once again apologies for my primative means of contact.Nice point and its got me thinking. Epiphany.Thanks Akareyon it was in plain sight and never noticed,strange




posted on Dec, 31 2006 @ 12:59 AM
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damn now the secret is out i think we will have to start all over lmao



posted on Jan, 3 2007 @ 09:00 AM
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Sarcasm is the lowest form of wit but thats only when you understand wit.Please stay on topic and if you would like a cheap laugh I suggest maybe a joke forum for the sarcasticly challenged.Or perhaps read about the cop who shot a ghost... ahem I thank you



posted on Dec, 6 2008 @ 07:46 PM
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Hi Guys

Vatican assassins on you tube, its a video . Will explain a lot to you. If the Jesuits can infiltrate all the governments of the world , the should not have much of a problem getting into Jehovah's Organization

Remember Jesus said that his house will be cleansed before the great coming tribulation

Here is the link you asked for earlier .,.... Love the Pyramid --



posted on Dec, 30 2008 @ 03:28 PM
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Anyone happen to see c.t.russels tomestone? Or where it is all this has been quite new to me but the more I research the more evidence I find of masons. I am a ex witness due to my own reasons but just google c.t.russels tomestone maybe go see where it is in person the symbolism on it research the "TRUTH" don't believe everything your blindly told now I guess after writing this I can be called a apostate sorry if your a witness still, just pointing out some truth I wouldn't tell anyone not to reaserch the facts from all souces even "apostates"



posted on Jan, 4 2009 @ 01:13 PM
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There are no links between freemasons and jw and freemasonry is NOT a religion if you read any of the books that are available world wide (not written by some half Witt as plenty are) you will see it is open to any males of any religion. fm have been blamed for just about every thing over the years, but that’s human nature what people don’t understand scares them.



posted on Jan, 5 2009 @ 07:21 PM
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If freemasonry isn't a religion, what is it?



posted on Feb, 4 2009 @ 02:38 PM
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I have just read a book called "The Wind Demon Within Me," which is a true story of a woman who experienced demonic activity in all the houses she lived in with her family after joining Jehovah's Witnesses. She also experiences problems herself with demonism. She ends up leaving the Witnesses once she realizes that ever since she got involved with them they had demonic problems in their lives. People wonder if Jehovah's Witnesses are Freemasons. This woman makes a discovery that was a step by step journey and reveals that not only are they Freemasons, who are known to use Enochian Magick, but she shows what heinous crimes they are doing with their magic that is so sneaky that it is almost impossible to detect, but she discovers the truth of how they do this. I was convinced after reading this book that she was right. I would recommend this reading if you want to know more than just that they are Freemasons. A good question is why would Freemasons be running a Christian relgion when they worship Lucifer? Why bother. Her book will tell you why and the hint is in the title. Something I had never heard of before, but have much more understanding of now.

Signed,

Eyes now opened.



posted on Feb, 4 2009 @ 03:26 PM
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I'm trying to find the discussion with a Freemason I had a few years ago but am not able to locate it. Essentially he told me the history of the Mormons and the Masons. That history runs deep leading to a modern day disdain for each other. Is this what was meant by the original poster? I've not heard any connections between Jehovah Witness and any other denomination.



posted on Feb, 5 2009 @ 02:09 AM
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This is a silly topic. While I know as a unregistered poster attacking the thread in the first sentence isn't smart, but I have enough confidence in myself to get past that. I am a practicing JW, and I am also a free thinker. Very much so, I spend alot of time reading history, philosophy, other beliefs. I do this in an effort to refresh my own faith in God. thats besides the point. The real point is there should be no speculation that there is a even small connection between the witnesses and some secret society.. Stick to defaming our beliefs.

freemasonery and witnesses...I actually burst out laughing when I seen that.



posted on Feb, 5 2009 @ 02:31 AM
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Ed Ward, MD
Proofs of a Conspiracy - 1798 Book on the Illuminata/FreeMas
Tue Jan 9, 2007 00:12



Proofs of a Conspiracy - 1798 Book on the Illuminata/FreeMasons

John Robinson's short book on the formation of the Illuminata (1775) - or more appropriately named the Bastardization of Free Masonry. The most devastating evidence of the existence, formation and motiffs of the Illuminata.

www.bilderberg.org...

Update: Mormons and the Illuminati
Fri Mar 07, 2008 12:34 am


Update: Mormons and the Illuminati
www.freedomcrowsnest.org...

In his revealing book, Out of Control, distributed privately among the elite of the Bilderbergers, Council on Foreign Relations, Trilateral Commission and other groups, Zbigniew Brzezinski, Rockefeller operative and former National Security Advisor to President Jimmy Carter, declared that the New World Order cannot be built on a foundation of politics and economics alone.
www.powerofprophecy.com...

(Joseph Smith, founder of the 15 million member strong Mormon religion, patterned his new religion on the rituals and symbols of Zionist Freemasonry.)


LDS PROPHECY:

LDS Freemen: LDS PROPHECY "And a modern American prophet, President Ezra Taft Benson, likewise warned us in 1988 that "secret combinations lusting for power, gain, and glory are flourishing" and that "a secret combination that seeks to overthrow the freedom of all lands, nations, and countries is increasing its evil influence and control over America and the entire world" (The Ensign, 1988 Nov, page 86)."



posted on Feb, 5 2009 @ 02:39 AM
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I've never met a JW that was a Mason and vice versa, but it's not impossible, they just tend not to socialize much I'm guessing. All religions are supposedly welcome in the freemasons but I don't know as I'm not a member, but about the JW's, their leader invented the Watchtower magazine, I don't believe his intention was to start a church, just start a bible based magazine with his own personal opinions, which formed a religion, I heard he left the church himself when he saw it got out of hand. I just personally wouldn't feel comfortable being a member of a church when the founder left it, if there's a Judas or two thats one thing but the leader? Can't think of any other church where this has happened... did but I do remember Martin Luther said something to the effect of, paraphrase, 'don't name a church after me'.

I have met JW's and if I ever see them knock on my door I'll talk to them, because I have no fear of their message or their strange point of view, there's just a few things that I find odd about them, odd things aren't always wrong just saying from my perspective they seem odd, they believe angels cross bred with man, they believe these same angels can materialize into flesh and de-materealize into spirit at will, they don't believe in 'concious' life after death but that death is unconciousness, until the resurrection, I personally believe in a concious afterlife, limbo, etc, I see tons of evidence of concious spirit ghost world, namely ghosts, and the only scriptural evidence I can think of is when Kain killed the first man, his brother Able, Able cried to the Lord after he died, and the Lord heard his after-death cries, of course they'd say it was pre-death cries I just disagree.



posted on Feb, 5 2009 @ 03:19 AM
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Originally posted by Razimus
I heard he left the church himself when he saw it got out of hand. I just personally wouldn't feel comfortable being a member of a church when the founder left it,


charles russell remained the president of the watch tower bible and tract society until his death on oct 31 1916

he didnt ¨leave¨



posted on Feb, 5 2009 @ 03:45 AM
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Okay well I didn't research this myself I was told this by an older guy that claimed to know what he was talking about, where is your quote from? I usually fact check everything I hear but sometimes I am guilty of not doing this, the guy claimed to know a lot about them.

Concerning EdWardMD's post in this thread... the mormons are not the JW's he seems to only copy and paste some info and not reply to the op at all, I would report this as an off topic post.



posted on Feb, 5 2009 @ 03:54 AM
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Originally posted by Razimus
Okay well I didn't research this myself I was told this by an older guy that claimed to know what he was talking about, where is your quote from? I usually fact check everything I hear but sometimes I am guilty of not doing this, the guy claimed to know a lot about them.


if you do a search for charles taze russell in google, you can pull up alot of information. his wiki entry is pretty straight forward.

the problem is looking up information about jehovah´s witnesses on the internet is that there are lots of bitter ex-JWs that literally flood the internet with disinformation. alot of time these anti JW sites post ¨facts¨ but dont even try to back them up with evidence. so anything anyone says about them has to be taken with a grain of salt.



posted on Feb, 5 2009 @ 04:13 AM
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hello
i am an ex-jw, left of my own choice, glad i did


as far as the jws being connected with freemasonry, i doubt it...

as far as conspiracies in religion goes.... were there not a whole bunch of new religions all starting in the late(ish) 1800's?

my opinion is TPTB back then (same as now, just different times) decided to 'give' the people a 'choice' and then this would take care of most people, as after they started losing control with the one and only religion, they decide to 'make' us think we are free to choose what or who to believe.... makes sense to me, when i see how these 'secret' rulers are giving us sheeples so many mirrors and smokescreens.....

having said all this so far, i have read in the past about the 'governing body', (the 12 men who 'run' the jw church) and what some of them are up to... and from what all the rest of the world works like, there is no 100% proof for me, that the top people in the jw church would Not have connections with freemasonry or any of the members.....

i do agree with violet, as there are Loads of very unhappy exjw's, i am neither happy, nor unhappy, and some of them do seem to want to spread their own 'truth'



posted on Feb, 5 2009 @ 08:01 AM
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Originally posted by Razimus
I've never met a JW that was a Mason and vice versa, but it's not impossible, they just tend not to socialize much I'm guessing.


I believe there's a conflict of interest. The Masons are a fraternity that are more accepting of different faiths. Muslim? No problem! Whereas Jehovah Witnesses believe it is best to isolate themselves from the rest of society for purity's sake. The Witnesses won't join the military and believe the U.N. is out to dominate the world. Hopefully this is all said or understood objectively. Personally I do think the U.N. is seeking too much control (international court) and the Mason's scope paints with to broad of a religious brush...at least at the lower degrees.

[edit on 5-2-2009 by saint4God]



posted on Feb, 6 2009 @ 12:02 PM
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Originally posted by saint4God


I believe there's a conflict of interest. The Masons are a fraternity that are more accepting of different faiths. Muslim? No problem! Whereas Jehovah Witnesses believe it is best to isolate themselves from the rest of society for purity's sake. The Witnesses won't join the military and believe the U.N. is out to dominate the world.


I was visiting a Lodge in the area a few years ago, when the lodge secretary read a resignation letter from a member. He had joined the local Kingdom Hall of Jehovah's Witnesses, and as such, was no longer "permitted" to be a Mason.



posted on Feb, 6 2009 @ 12:04 PM
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Originally posted by Masonic Light
I was visiting a Lodge in the area a few years ago, when the lodge secretary read a resignation letter from a member. He had joined the local Kingdom Hall of Jehovah's Witnesses, and as such, was no longer "permitted" to be a Mason.


There's Masonic Light! He was the one I had the discussion with some years ago about the Mormon ties with the Freemasons. That's even better than finding the original discussion I think.

I believe it too about the resigned member, Jehovah Witnesses are particular about their associations.



posted on Feb, 9 2009 @ 09:14 PM
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Neat topic.
I dis-associated myself 12 years ago from the witnesses, not because I had differences in belief but because I wanted to live a guilt free life of drugs and sex. Well, since then I have realized that that led no-where.
Before I began working my way back into the organization (as for me I see them as having the most accurate version of the christian teaching ,personal veiw, not starting a fight!!!!!!) I did a bunch of internet searching about anti-witness info.
I too had come across the Russel was a mason story, and that mason's, like the witnesses, oppose the teaching of the cross? (witness's of course recognize the cross as a pre-christian idol adopted to bring in other religions when Rome made it the state religion, and that most executions of that time were done upon pikes, stakes/trees)

So, is that true about the mason's? Do they not pay homage the cross?

I'm curious







 
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