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reply posted on 28-12-2006 @ 11:58 AM by Freeyourmind775
First, Vekar, I'm sorry I kept calling you the wrong name, theres someone else on a different site named Vorek I debate with and I just kept forgetting.
Second, I'm not a kid.
I've gone overseas and into combat in Iraq and will be returning agian soon.
Finally, before I start, i'm not going to waste my time re-contracting some of the points becuase after having read your argument, I don't think you have the necessary knowledge/experience or spelling ability to continue this discussion.

Also, there is no gurantee that whatever bio-weapon they might use is effective. Small pox worked because it was a disease that affected humans being used on humans. What if they bio-weapon they use instead of making us weak and defensless, makes us stronger?

And asteroids are the most effective way. If they are planning on invading the earth, they could easily send ships YEARS in advance to drop an asteroid and wait for the mothership to arrive, it arrives, the governments and destroied, we have no way to see into space and all of a sudden the remaining camps are taken over with little to no resistance. But like I said (Since you obviously didn't read my entire post), this would only work if they wanted to SCAVENGE MINERALS AND LEAVE.

Also, I don't know why you think that you would be able to defend your country or planet better then the people who are trained to. And I doubt anyone would go "Rambo" on you. The military is not what you see in the movies. And nukes can be detonated from the ground, loaded onto planes and detonated in specific areas, or over a dozen other ways we could detonate them. Also, I doubt that the military will be wiped out that quickly and effectively, Even with millions or billions of invaders, the military would last alot longer then a few minutes. And if they were so powerful that we didn't, the entire planet would probably surrender. It's easy for people to "Monday Morning Coach", or talk about what they think they will do, But personnel experience shows me thats more often not true then it is true, you may think you would rather go down fighting, but what happens when the aliens come here, obliterate say, 30% of the worlds population without even trying, and then say "Surrender of the rest die, doesn't really matter to us". Most people would probably be too afraid to resist.

Also, your wrong, SINCGARS (Sorry, I had spelled it wrong previously, and you can learn about it here:
en.wikipedia.org... ) Radios do not use words. It uses frequency hops and Encryption to enable real-time voice transmissions without code-words. Also, i think your confusing HAM Radios with MORSE Code. Not all ham radios are clicking. And if it is MORSE code, all they would need to do was to goto a destoied library, and grab any book which describes how MORSE code works.

Also, your


Your telling me to use logic, but you don't seem to use it or be capable of it's use yourself, as you contradict yourself constantly. If they have the capability to withstand bullets and explosives, what makes you think something as retardedly primative as a sword or hammer are going to be effective? What if they bones are 10 times stronger then ours? All you've done is piss the alien off at a CLOSE range which means that your most likely going to die alot more horribly. I'm done talking about bludgeoning, because it's retarded.

This is the one which made me decide to stop this discussion with you.
10 Tows?
You realize, a tanks HE round is MUCH more powerful then a TOW?
Not to mention, a tow is EXTREMELY difficult to setup and move if not on a mobile platform like a HMMWV, and it's also very difficult to reload on the spot. Hitting an enemy that can resist tank rounds with 10 tows, isn't going to do much better.

Also, you stated overkill didn't matter since they were aliens, I said that if see ihm fall over dead, no need to keep shooting, and used an example
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reply posted on 28-12-2006 @ 03:11 PM by Vekar
Originally posted by Freeyourmind775
I've gone overseas and into combat in Iraq and will be returning agian soon.
Finally, before I start, i'm not going to waste my time re-contracting some of the points becuase after having read your argument, I don't think you have the necessary knowledge/experience or spelling ability to continue this discussion.

Also, there is no gurantee that whatever bio-weapon they might use is effective. Small pox worked because it was a disease that affected humans being used on humans. What if they bio-weapon they use instead of making us weak and defensless, makes us stronger?

And asteroids are the most effective way. If they are planning on invading the earth, they could easily send ships YEARS in advance to drop an asteroid and wait for the mothership to arrive, it arrives, the governments and destroied, we have no way to see into space and all of a sudden the remaining camps are taken over with little to no resistance. But like I said (Since you obviously didn't read my entire post), this would only work if they wanted to SCAVENGE MINERALS AND LEAVE.

Also, I don't know why you think that you would be able to defend your country or planet better then the people who are trained to. And I doubt anyone would go "Rambo" on you. The military is not what you see in the movies. And nukes can be detonated from the ground, loaded onto planes and detonated in specific areas, or over a dozen other ways we could detonate them. Also, I doubt that the military will be wiped out that quickly and effectively, Even with millions or billions of invaders, the military would last alot longer then a few minutes. And if they were so powerful that we didn't, the entire planet would probably surrender. It's easy for people to "Monday Morning Coach", or talk about what they think they will do, But personnel experience shows me thats more often not true then it is true, you may think you would rather go down fighting, but what happens when the aliens come here, obliterate say, 30% of the worlds population without even trying, and then say "Surrender of the rest die, doesn't really matter to us". Most people would probably be too afraid to resist.

Also, your wrong, SINCGARS (Sorry, I had spelled it wrong previously, and you can learn about it here:
en.wikipedia.org... ) Radios do not use words. It uses frequency hops and Encryption to enable real-time voice transmissions without code-words. Also, i think your confusing HAM Radios with MORSE Code. Not all ham radios are clicking. And if it is MORSE code, all they would need to do was to goto a destoied library, and grab any book which describes how MORSE code works.

Also, your


Your telling me to use logic, but you don't seem to use it or be capable of it's use yourself, as you contradict yourself constantly. If they have the capability to withstand bullets and explosives, what makes you think something as retardedly primative as a sword or hammer are going to be effective? What if they bones are 10 times stronger then ours? All you've done is piss the alien off at a CLOSE range which means that your most likely going to die alot more horribly. I'm done talking about bludgeoning, because it's retarded.

This is the one which made me decide to stop this discussion with you.
10 Tows?
You realize, a tanks HE round is MUCH more powerful then a TOW?
Not to mention, a tow is EXTREMELY difficult to setup and move if not on a mobile platform like a HMMWV, and it's also very difficult to reload on the spot. Hitting an enemy that can resist tank rounds with 10 tows, isn't going to do much better.

Now then, let us begin kid.

Ok kid, if all you can do is try and make yourself look smart by insulting others, also, it would help if you could spell names right, its VEKAR not VOREK once again kid.
Do not dare challenge me on spelling, here is your errors:
I take this part from when you first challenged me:
"It would be much easier and cause minimal damage to resources if they simply dropped a giant asteroid onto earth and caused us to enter a nuclear winter/2nd Ice age."
Ok kid, first error is your grammar, you do not DROP an asteroid into a planet, you COLLIDE with it. Asteroids COLLIDE, they do not DROP. Proper grammar would be: “It would be much easier to simply put an asteroid on a collision course with planet earth, thus minimizing damage to resources."
"CAUSED" wrong word, it should be CAUSE not CAUSED do not use a slash use OR.
"It would take only a few years to lower the human population down enough for any force to take with minimal effort"
"To take with minimal effort" Well you left out take WHAT. You have a sentence fragment kid. You should include Earth or Planet in there so readers know what you are talking about. Proper grammar please.
"If they are just scavenging the planet and don't care the results as long as they get minerals, this is probably the way they would go."
“DON’T” wrong word, only in speech, not in writing, DO NOT is the words you should be using. "This is probably the way they would go" wrong. Your sentence is scrambled, re-write it. It should read something like this "This is probably the way they will go about taking over the planet." You MUST have a full sentence, not a fragment, when you are trying to give a statement about an event or subject of your desire.
NOW FOR SPELLING!
becuase (Because)
i'm (I AM)
agian (Again)
gurantee (Guarantee)
defensless (Defenceless)
destroied (Destroyed)
alot (A LOT, ALOT designates an ALLOTMENT of resources or items)
goto (GO TO)
destoied (Destroyed)
retardedly (Retarded, there is not such thing as retardedly)
primative (Primitive)
alot (A LOT, once again, ALOT is allotment)


OK! Now that I just proved your whole insult of "cannot spell" wrong, time to grow up. NOW ONWARD TO THE DISCUSSION!
No one here gives two hoots (other than the bu#es) about you claiming to be in Iraq or having been there. That means nothing to me, why? I know what (If your statement is true that is) you are doing to people: murder, rape, pillage, bombing indiscriminately and so on.
You did not read my statement properly, a bio-weapon of their own design considering how advanced they are would wipe every living thing out of existance on the planet. You see, they would have their OWN diseases and plagues Cont.



reply posted on 28-12-2006 @ 03:37 PM by Vekar
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and would use them on humans should they be effective. You see, smallpox worked agains the Native Americans because it was FOREIGN to them, there was nothing domestic about it. Thus when settlers brought it with them, it was deadly, the strains could mutate in the new enviornment and multiply rapidly since none of the locals had been exposed to it or anything like it. The same goes for diseases of other planets, we have never seen them, heard of them, let alone know what they could do to someone who is infected with it.
A bio-weapon would work better than an asteroid, why? AS I SAID, IT WOULD REND THE EARTH! A bio-weapon is SILENT, they do not need to worry about anyone seeing them. Just one small ship, 1 vial of something contagouse and VOILA! Instand death to humanity! As you said though, an asteroid could trigger an ice age, a bio-weapon would not. An asteroid would also cause a cloud of dust which would last a few months, and be annoying since dust would be raining down and they would require filtration systems and the like. Bio-weapon, nope. Engineer it to kill humans only since animals are not "intelligent" enough to fight back. Less hastle is more logical.
Why would I be able to defend my nation better than "trained" people? Simple, you would all be dead! Re-read my statement of WHY that is.
FREQUENCIES! That is the problem you face, if they use EMP's you would loose your systems of communication, yes a primitive HAM radio would work since they are so basic and easy to make. Use morse code to talk with people and you can get some info before they figure you out. Re-read my statement.
Watch your language on here, no swearing, they do filter the word bush and ite for some reason. If their bones are 10 times stronger, what makes you think your bullets would work anyway? That would mean the skin in comparison is also stronger than your own, and thus it would be pointless to use a rifle. I am calling on PHYSICS! YES PHYSICS! THE WONDERFULL WORLD OF PHYSICS! Go look it up, PHYSICS states: For every action there is an equal and opposite REACTION. A boulder would KNOCK THEM DOWN. If a BOULDER cannot you are SOL. RE-READ my statement. The point is to CRUSH your enemy under heavy weight since bullets do not work.
I would like to see you lug around a 120mm cannon and fire rounds off at them. A TOW is lighter and can be used by 1 male/female with great effectiveness. If 10 TOWS which are LIGHTER cannot bring down one of them, how the heck do you expect a tank round to bring them down? Also the reason for a TOW is because you can GUIDE it to some extent unlike a tank round which is a one way shot. Re-read my statement.
Who said just me? Are YOU dumb enough to take on an alien with FAR superior weaponry on your own? The point of overpowing them is to save something: the alien, why? So you can figure them out... Re-read my statement... If 5 humans cannot overpower 1 alien, you are SOL. Now humans have inferior weapons, inferior technology and to boot: INFERIOR POWER! 5 on 1 is a good balance thus far against one of them. At least you can snach their gun and turn it on them.
WAR OF THE WORLDS! YES! LEARN FROM BOOKS! I did not cite movies, I cited H.G. Well's WAR OF THE WORLDS because it DEALT with a situation like this! READ IT! LEARN FROM IT!
I am done here, since you do nothing but insult me, goodbye. I will keep talking with you other folk here, you are polite and at least learn from books. OH! and I barely pointed out all your spelling errors...

Frankly all we could hope for in an alien invasion would be they slip up on one bug like in WAR OF THE WORLDS so we have some advantage. It would not take them long to counter it, but a sick alien is easier to fight than a healthy one. There is one thing that would come out of all of this: the military would loose its pride, arrogance and ignorance. They would realize they are inferior to the invaders and that all this grand technology is squat, a mothership with shields vs a nuke... nuke gets deflected, aliens more annoyed. That is if anyone lived to actually FIRE one. They would target all the large insalations FIRST if they wanted to skip the bio-weapon part and just invade and fight us on a personal basis.
Ever wonder if humans would suddenly have another alien race try and help us if someone attacked? Lets say a race of "jackals" like the Egyptians depicted attacked, then a lizard race came out of nowhere and helped us. Be interesting yes? Little earth caught between two galactic powers.
First off though one would have to assume they have INTEREST in this planet, first off, it is NOT worth the bother. There is mars, Jupiter, Uranus, Pluto, VENUS! All have something they could use, such as hydrogen, iron, etc. ALSO THERE IS NO LIFE ON THESE PLANETS! THEY WOULD BE UNCONTESTED!
Besides logicaly, they would not bother us, at this rate humans will blow up the planet and wipe themselves out before they even get to another star system. All they have to do is wait if not help things fester while they work on other planets.
How many stars are out there, to many to count, or a googleplex as it is called. An infinite number, so why bother with this little backwater? Need mercenaries? Ok... If you want stone wielding ones... Other than that nothing here to see or do. Minerals? BAH! Just go harvest elsewhere untill humans kill themselves off.


reply posted on 28-12-2006 @ 05:41 PM by Dragonlike
Very inderesting views from all of you folk here, but let's have a look from a different angle.

From a raging battle you escape:
Imagine yourselves as cosmonauts of starship ''Pillar of Autumn'' and you wrap up through space into an unknown sector. You are the captain and as in charge you should check the controls up. Suddenly, a light beams and when you press it a hologram of statistic analysis apears towards the main screen, indicating a living planet. It's a primitive civilization for your standards so you decide to comouflage your flagship in case your enemies detect you. Monitors also indicate Gold, a yellowish matterial suitable for your economy and the promosion of your career. An enticing thought crosses overnight your mind. You are the captain. Instandly you order the second officer in comand to gather all the information about the planet and send them instantly to your office once he finishes. Travelling in wrap sequence is not so plesand and you feel your head like a smashed potato.
...
You feel rejuvenated and ready to cross the information the officer has placed on your office:
You consider that your flagship has 10,000 cruemen comprised from 3,000 special ops, 4,000 engineers, 2,500 scientists (physicists, chemists, psychologists, doctorsetc), 50 officers and 50 politicians. Like a mobile town. In comparison with the 6,000,000,000 citizens of that planet you are outnumbered. You still know, military thinking, that you can wipe them out and excavate the gold with the simple use of your weapons stored in the weapon cach, which is covered with cobwebs. Why not to test them? Of course there are politicians as they would have a different opinion. Politicians always have a different opinion, though not far off from the glance of gold.
-''Captain, our government wants these high-tech-weapons to be of good use to our enemies rather than these primitive ones. If we provoke to such actions we will be no more than spot and our enemies and betray our positions. As you can see we must move secretly. This planet will be exploited by our State, only'', this would be the answer of any politician who knows the potential of his enemy. Of course Considering your position as captain you merely comply. You send scout-drones in the shape of saucer so to gather all the signals and install them to their plugged memory. Another scientific miracle from your scientists. Fascinating. The next step is to send disguised agents to infiltrate their society. Still secrecy is important and any tecnology given to these fouls whould be destructive to themselves continuing their relentless and useless wars, but this still would betray your position.
...


That's my theory on why aliens will not choose to destroy us. Perhaps a good option is to take us with their side. Still they cannot be sure. Today we turn our weapons against our brothers. Tomorrow nobody attests that we will not turn them against our aliens allies.


reply posted on 28-12-2006 @ 06:48 PM by The Vagabond
Wow gaz, talk about a major challenge with a lot of variables.

Many tactical norms of insurgency are in all likelihood completely suspended here.

#1. You can't blend into the population therefore hit and fade is a little more difficult. The enemy doesn't believe in friendlies, therefore your infrastructure is reduced. The insurgency is almost certainly smaller or at least more dispersed.

#2. The scale is immense. The enemy is in all likelihood here to take advantage of living resources- there is plenty of ice, metal, and hydrocarbons elsewhere in the solar system- my guess is that they enemy is here either for living space or to harvest luxuries specific to earth- species of wood, food sources, etc.
With the stakes being so large, we're not looking at a situation where killing 60,000 enemy over a decade or two is likely to send them packing. The insurgencies mission is genocidal in scale.


In my mind, the strategy of choice is to survive longer than they think you can, until they no longer expect to get hit, and then hit them with weapons of mass destruction.

Lets suppose ID4, as you said, you can't nuke their ships. But when they think the war is over and get down on the ground, they aren't going to be in their invincible ships.

Of course, they are going to make a point of destroying existing WMD, and it's not as if you can just walk into the ruins of NORAD and push the little red button.

Refining your own uranium is out of the question without infrastructure, which for the most part rules out nuclear weapons unless you A. find a way to travel and salvage heavy equipment without being noticed. B. Aren't afraid of radiation poisoning. You could theoretically use Polonium 210 and beryllium as a crude method of bombarding U-238 with neutrons to breed Plutonium, but even the US government abandoned the idea of mining Polonium because of the scale of operations needed to produce enough- they ended up breeding it in reactors.
So realistically, nukes are out until such time as you can salvage ballotecnic materials for a pure fusion device out of any wrecked military UAV- and as far as I know the quantum nucleonic reactor isn't actually a proven concept- I've heard that the experiments have been inconsistent.

That basically leaves chemicals, since you can't rely on an unknown alien physiology to react to a virus that evolved to make use of terrestrial hosts. So long as the aliens aren't walking around with atmosphere tanks on their backs- whether they're breathing oxygen, using catalytic devices, or just building domes, odds are good that chlorine gas will asphixiate them even if it isn't actually toxic to them. I choose chlorine because we've got oceans full of Sodium Chloride on this planet.

Simply by purifying seawater, separating the NaCl from the H20 with a membrane and using an electrical current, you can produce not only chlorine gas but also lye (you've seen fight club).

You then have the option of electrolizing the lye into sodium metal, which reacts violently with water (usually with the consequence of really messing up a rival school's fountain and getting you arrested).

encarta.msn.com...


The only real question is storing, pressurizing, and dispersing the product. Everything I've told you so far is basic encyclopedia knowledge, but I think it might be a felony to go any further, so you'll have to figure that one out for yourself.

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