Many families are not bringing up their children correctly, maybe we should have government people inspect every home and make sure that they are doing it right---after all wouldn’t that be good for society?

This would bring joy to the Pope's ears. We might hear these exact statements coming from Rome, advising Governments, as the wealth shrinks, times get tough and people start looking for ways to stop the red ink.

the republicans lost the congress because of their losy management of the Iraq war, the fact that there was just too many scandles didn't help much either...the tax breaks were kind of low on the spectrum of reasons.

as far as all the poor corporations going broke if it wasn't for the tax breaks...but having a few million to give to their upper management, um...that's like someone who needs welfare going out and splurging on nightly steak dinners..expecially when some of these companies end up in the end of the year not owing any taxes but rather getting a nice gift from the gov't....

it's simple really, if our household budget is so tight, I need tax relief or gov't handouts to stay afloat....we all stand a cold chance in hades of getting a new pair of designer jeans, or $100 sneakers...it's just economics. if these companies are so troubled that they can't keep afloat without government assistance, well, the same economic principles should apply...
if thier budget can be stretched to accomadate taxes (we pay our taxes), provide a wage for all their employees that can sustain them without depending on the government to keep the alive for them, and well continue day to day operations without a government infusion of funds...they have no business increasing the wages of those within their company that are already making so much that they are living a lifestyle of luxury!! that lifestyle is being supported by the taxpayers! so, yes, it is the taxpayers business how much they are making! as well as the stockholders...since, hey, much of the retirement fundings are invested in stocks to begin with.

Originally posted by tha stillz



That is such a ignorant comment. Are your sources anything different?

I am afraid they probably arent....

[edit on 29-12-2006 by tha stillz]

Yup you got the good sources, leftwing Hollywood, and btw, the Simpsons are really not a portrait of Americans in general, but a good description of the meat-heads in Hollywood that you adore, I must say.

Originally posted by blanddad

You need to read my post with better vision or reasoning. I said I own 2 Corporations because they protect me... I have greater protection by being a Corporation than by being an individual... flat out fact!

So is it you the individual that is protected or a piece of paper called a corporation that is protected?

Individuals can protect themselves in many ways, condoms, medicines, corporations, etc.

But you are attacking corporations as if they are something evil---if they are evil it’s because of evil people---has nothing to do with a piece of paper with a corporation logo on it.

Originally posted by sleeper

Originally posted by tha stillz



That is such a ignorant comment. Are your sources anything different?

I am afraid they probably arent....

[edit on 29-12-2006 by tha stillz]

Yup you got the good sources, leftwing Hollywood, and btw, the Simpsons are really not a portrait of Americans in general, but a good description of the meat-heads in Hollywood that you adore, I must say.

I was not aware that I adore meat-heads in hollywood. Sounds like a good example of your perpensity to stereotype people, as if we haven't seen that in every one of your posts.

Can you site your sources of information, or not? I guess we should just take your word at face value, right?

I am really interested as to where the real information is according to you, so I am not subject to all of this propaganda.

Originally posted by dawnstar
the republicans lost the congress because of their losy management of the Iraq war, the fact that there was just too many scandles didn't help much either...the tax breaks were kind of low on the spectrum of reasons.

Well I guess Bush should have sat on his butt and did nothing like the Democrats did. Would that have made you happy?

as far as all the poor corporations going broke if it wasn't for the tax breaks...but having a few million to give to their upper management, um...that's like someone who needs welfare going out and splurging on nightly steak dinners..expecially when some of these companies end up in the end of the year not owing any taxes but rather getting a nice gift from the gov't....

Look, if it’s about the steak dinner than get yourself a corporation and perhaps some day you too can have your steak dinner.

it's simple really, if our household budget is so tight, I need tax relief or gov't handouts to stay afloat....we all stand a cold chance in hades of getting a new pair of designer jeans, or $100 sneakers...it's just economics. if these companies are so troubled that they can't keep afloat without government assistance, well, the same economic principles should apply...

Government handouts? That’s a laugh. The government has never made a penny and never will, the money they have is created by Corporations and other small business that hire people and pay taxes---that’s where the money comes from. No corporations, no money, no jobs, no government.

if thier budget can be stretched to accomadate taxes (we pay our taxes), provide a wage for all their employees that can sustain them without depending on the government to keep the alive for them, and well continue day to day operations without a government infusion of funds...they have no business increasing the wages of those within their company that are already making so much that they are living a lifestyle of luxury!! that lifestyle is being supported by the taxpayers! so, yes, it is the taxpayers business how much they are making! as well as the stockholders...since, hey, much of the retirement fundings are invested in stocks to begin with.

Corporations pay trillions in taxes every year, and you pay taxes because you have your own company or you work for a company that created your job.

And most corporations, those that are public, meaning they are listed in the stock exchange, are owned by average people through stock purchases or company pension plans.

never said that I don't think they shouldn't have done anything, just that what they did was poorly managed. as far as the dems not doing anything, umm.....can you prove that, since I know of one democrat that will be heading to IRaq real soon

as far as the steak dinner, umm, I don't eat steak...but I will be cooking some for my son tomorrow, before he goes back to his base. i guess the concept I was trying to express flew by your head unnoticed.

and excuse me, but umm.....I'm not employed by a coorporation, neither is my husband, and we pay taxes. matter of fact, there are alot of small non-corporate businesses that hire alot of people...guess we all don't count? and another thing, guess what...no people, no employees, no product or service, no profit....the circle can just go round and round forever.

if a company is paying trillions in taxes, just what kind of profit are they making? just wondering, since well, I don't think any person or business is taxed more than 100% or their income or profit....few would be taxed 50% of that....
and by the way, those nice ceo upper level salaries and bonuses are more than likely considered expenses....
which is the topic that I am discussing....the outrageous salary that is paid to ceo's and upper managers in many corporations.

it's like me taking my rent money, going out and buying a nice new ps3 for one of my kids and then once the eviction notice comes in, going and begging the gov't to bail me out! it's the same danged concept.

now if you want to say that the government is taxing way too much, hey, I will somewhat agree...but the first step to correcting that one is to get the danged government to knock off their spending spree..since as it is, they'd need to tax a heck of alot more just to come up with the amount they are spending. if the restraints that us normal people use can keep us within a budget that is in many cases near proverty level and we're expected to live at that income....I don't see any reason not to expect businesses and corporations to exert the same kind restraint themselves instead of thinking the fine government is gonna pick up the slack for them.

Companies in American are heavily regulated, but people are not, perhaps that should change.

I am not simply just talking about American corporations, I am talking about all corporations that operate globally

For example life would be better if more people understood the basics, keep children in school, don’t let them out after dark, don’t let them run with the wrong crowd. Teach them proper nutrition; help them with school work, etc.

There are hundreds of simple things parents can do to make life better for their children yet many parents don’t make the effort.

Perhaps we should regulate families half as much as we regulate corporations?

I am not an advocate of creating more laws restricting the already limited freedoms of individuals if you were begging the question.

Let there be an international minimum wage, international labor rights, and laws protecting the global environment.

Corporations are fine if they serve mankind. Who would be against that?

Originally posted by tha stillz


Can you site your sources of information, or not? I guess we should just take your word at face value, right?
I am really interested as to where the real information is according to you, so I am not subject to all of this propaganda.

Basic economics and political science in college, mixed in with thirty years of hard knocks in the trenches of the rat race. I’ve worked like a slave for the man in various corporations, and I have started a couple of businesses, have made money and lost my shirt many times. I did not land on top as many do, and now I live a modest existence one day at a time. I started my life in poverty and I may end it there, nevertheless, this country is great because it allowed nothings like me to reach for the stars, I touched some stars and fell back to earth but the ride was worth it.

Few countries allow the little guy those kinds of opportunities, unfortunately every day I see people attacking that system---capitalism, which provides those opportunities to everyone including the little guy.

Not all will taste success but that is no reason to kill the opportunities for others. Besides, our way of life here in America depends on freedom and entrepreneurship.

Originally posted by dawnstar

now if you want to say that the government is taxing way too much, hey, I will somewhat agree...but the first step to correcting that one is to get the danged government to knock off their spending spree..since as it is, they'd need to tax a heck of alot more just to come up with the amount they are spending. if the restraints that us normal people use can keep us within a budget that is in many cases near proverty level and we're expected to live at that income....I don't see any reason not to expect businesses and corporations to exert the same kind restraint themselves instead of thinking the fine government is gonna pick up the slack for them.

We are in agreement that the government waste too much taxpayer money, is that going to stop? Yeah when the cows come home---and we know that isn’t going to happen because if the cows come home we make hamburger out of them.

Corporations that remain in business do restrain themselves, cutting back on spending and laying people off are the most effective ways they do that---and the least appealing to the general public who usually label those actions as heartless and ruthless corporate activity, the media loves it.

The alternative is bankruptcy and everyone losing their jobs and pensions as was the case with Enron. To survive the slump Enron needed to slash jobs, instead they cooked the books hoping that would get them through the money crunch, it might have until the media blabbed and the rest is history.

Is it ok to pay football and baseball players millions of dollars? Yes it is if the teams want the best, they have to pay the going rate, same with CEOs.

Originally posted by sleeper

Originally posted by tsloan


The democrats are not going to do anything? Are you that snow blinded by the (R) and (D) besides these morons names? It's a power struggle...think of the political landscape like a NASCAR race..You have the Republicans who have sponcers like Exxon/Mobile etc. and you have the Democrats who have all the green peace org's behind them. And in the end they are racing for your vote and if your dumb enough to vote for them they might throw you a tax break that does you no good if you alone do not make 150k a year or they might give you free health care? But in the end they ARE THE SAME....<-----"same" alike not different but one of alikeness the same! Once you see this you can rescue your brain from the chains they have on you. And there is no lesser of two evils saying that is like saying drinking 4 cases of beer on the weekends and not drinking through out the week and saying it doesn't do any damage to my liver .

[edit on 28-12-2006 by tsloan]

Well you told us your OPINION, and that’s all it is.


If you can’t tell the difference then you are only one of millions around the world that are equally uninformed about American politics.

All birds have wings therefore they all fly and look the same, same analogy.

The real world is not so simple and black and white as many believe. That’s why democracy is teetering on the edge of oblivion.

Well,
My friend when and how can you prove that the Republican and Democrats are different? The letter they wear beside their name? The colors? The logo's? How? last time I looked I still pay taxes...Since when has your income tax went down? Under what control? Last time I looked the government is growing like Kudzu vines. Every administration has managed to ADD another wing or sub wing or arm or branch of government(...i.e. The Department of Homeland Security By which that whole color coding system makes me feel alot safer So prove the difference in this whole political party thing cause from my view they look the same. Untill ones steps up and yells Hey America were going to stop taxing you every year on your car tags and...We thought we would stop income tax and switch to a flat consumtion tax and take the burden of the public..Then you can stake your political difference. But on this subject Big oil is as much America politics as Green peace is. The only change going on in Washington this week is the Republican lobby groups are moving out and the Democratic lobbist are moving in.... There's you difference.

Originally posted by shai hulud
I couldn't agree more. The sad thing is that this will be the first step of many to turn the US into a socialist society. I am no friend of the fat cats, but their is a science to the way the economy works and I would rather have a prosperous independent one than a state run infrastrucure the left is pushing for. Just the beginning just watch.

omg, that is the most ridiculous thing I've ever read. Socialist? yeah right. I came here hoping to find intelligent discussion. you probably can't even define socialism

Originally posted by djohnsto77
Reexaming some special tax breaks oil companies receive might be something I'd agree with,

You better be as American corporations are now picking up less than 15% of the tax burden...

but iimposing new "windfall profits" taxes etc. is a really bad idea and unfair to these large corporations that need to be large to compete.

Why should we not rather dismantle their large competitors or ensure that their large competitors do not gain access to local markets where they force local producers to 'consolidate' and lay off workers en-mass? The larger they get the least control we have over them so lets not reward them for robbing us blind...

Stellar

Originally posted by shai hulud
I couldn't agree more. The sad thing is that this will be the first step of many to turn the US into a socialist society.

You mean to suggest that you think that the aim of the current US government will not result in something quite worse than socialism?

I am no friend of the fat cats, but their is a science to the way the economy works

There might be a science behind how truly free market related economy works but that ain't what we are observing and for good reason. I am all for 'free' markets if they can be protect from foreign slave labour states but if our so called 'leaders' will not protect us by raising barriers or preventing resources from flowing into such states i would rather have socialism Scandinavian style.

and I would rather have a prosperous independent one than a state run infrastrucure the left is pushing for. Just the beginning just watch.

There is no true , and if that not significant , 'left' in the US political spectrum and what you call the 'left' ( as they are represented in the US congress) is only slightly to the left of old fashioned fascism.

Stellar