Pelosi and her merry band of democrats will steal, page 2
Pages: <<  1    2    3    4    5  >>
ATS Members have flagged this thread 0 times


reply posted on 27-12-2006 @ 01:59 PM by ViewFromTheStars
Originally posted by Shawnna
Originally posted by forestlady

Oh you mean like Enron? BTW, any money you earn from your pension IS your money and it IS earned. You worked for it, you put money into your pension, it was invested and so you earned it, it's not a hand out.


I agree, forestlady.

Pensions are actually 'deferred compensation'. For those corporations that try to get out of paying their employees their rightfully earned pensions - they are actually stealing the employee's deferred compensation.

Of course in the spirit of American capitalism, they have a government-sponsored insurance organization that covers their butts when they do this - it's called the Pension Benefit Guaranty Corporation.



Always,




Shawnna







I'm not entirely anti corporate but there is some rediculous corporate bootlicking going on in here and it's pathetic. Large corporations are not the end all be all and it's about time the winds stopped blowing in their direction.
Anyone who has seen me post before should know that I'm not too happy on some level with Democrats being in power but as much as I hate to say this I think it's a good idea because the "Republicans" that have had control are far more evil. I HATE usury and corporate greed and it has been out of balance for way too long. Thank GOD for time limits because if it wasn't for them we would not have balance. The Democrats taking over is a necesary correction that was long overdue however I doubt they will really help reign in corrupt 'corporatacracy' because I feel they are ultimately all on the same 'team'. I think what we really need to be worried about and someone here mentioned this earlier is our loss of essential liberties. Even though the screws have not been tightened the framework has been laid in place with only the finishing touches needing to be applied.

Pardon me if I don't shed a tear for the 'poor' corporations. One of these days we are going to wake up and be SLAVES to them and I'm sure many of your oppinions will abrutply change at that point.



[edit on 27-12-2006 by ViewFromTheStars]


reply posted on 27-12-2006 @ 02:19 PM by Shawnna
Originally posted by sleeper
Originally posted by Shawnna


Ah yes - it is the "left" who are to blame.

Tell that to the generations of people who lived near Chernobyl.


Tell that to the millions of Europeans that live with cheap nuclear energy, they are laughing at us for Americans for living as they did in the eighteen hundreds still burning coal.

Now that’s progress.

Chernobyl was built by Communist, as was the Hugo----remember that car? Communist shouldn’t be allowed to play with matches, let alone nuclear power plants.


I believe it is the Yugo you are referring to sleeper.



And perhaps if you got your corporate buddies to focus on what would be best for the country as a whole, rather than their own individual pocket books and retirement plans, we could move forward with an alternative energy policy that made sense.

There are a number of technologies available -
see this list. Now why haven't these technologies reached the open market?

It's complicated so it may require a little more time than you've spent on your 'sound bite' responses, sleeper.



Feel free to read this - if you're open to expanding your knowledge a bit.

Here's a snip to whet your intellectual appetite.


The Invisible Enemy

There are four gigantic forces that have worked together to create this situation. To say that there is and has been a "conspiracy" to suppress this technology only leads to a superficial understanding of the world, and it places the blame for this completely outside of ourselves. Our willingness to remain ignorant and actionless in the face of this situation has always been interpreted by two of these forces as "implied consent." So, besides a "non-demanding public," what are the other three forces that are impeding the availability of free energy technology?

In standard economic theory, there are three classes of Industry. These are Capital, Goods, and Services. Within the first class, Capital, there are also three sub-classes. These are: 1) Natural Capital. This relates to raw materials (such as a gold mine) and sources of energy (such as a hydroelectric dam or an oil well). 2) Currency. This relates to the printing of paper "money" and the minting of coins. These functions are usually the job of Government. And 3) Credit. This relates to the loaning of money for interest and its extension of economic value through deposit loan accounts. From this, it is easy to see, that energy functions in the economy in the same way as gold, the printing of money by the Government, or the issuing of credit by a bank.

In the United States, and in most other countries around the world, there is a "money monopoly" in place. I am "free" to earn as much "money" as I want, but I will only be paid in Federal Reserve Notes. There is nothing I can do to be paid in Gold Certificates, or some other form of "money." This money monopoly is solely in the hands of a small number of private stock banks, and these banks are owned by the Wealthiest Families in the world. Their plan is to eventually control 100% of all of the Capital resources of the world, and thereby control everyone's life through the availability (or non-availability) of all goods and services. An independent source of wealth (free energy device) in the hands of each and every person in the world, ruins their plans for world domination, permanently. Why this is true is easy to see. Currently, a nation's economy can be either slowed down or sped up by the raising or lowering of interest rates. But if an independent source of capital (energy) were present in the economy, and any business or person could raise more capital without borrowing it from a bank, this centralized throttling action on interest rates would simply not have the same effect. Free energy technology changes the value of money. The Wealthiest Families and the Issuers of Credit do not want any competition. It's that simple. They want to maintain their current monopoly control of the money supply. For them, free energy technology is not just something to suppress, it must be PERMANENTLY FORBIDDEN!



Always,
Shawnna


reply posted on 27-12-2006 @ 03:41 PM by forestlady
Originally posted by sleeper
Originally posted by forestlady
Well, I was living in California at the time of Enron's collapse. I was paying $300 a month for heating a small little cottage. I knwe people with $600 and $700 dollar a month utility bills. That was about a 300% increase in price and it all happened when Enron took over.



I live in the Midwest and we didn't have Enron, but we had and continue to have those high utility bills.

The fault lies with the left, who did their best to stop cheep nuclear energy back in the sixties. Nearly every country in Europe uses nuclear plants to power their cities, yet here in the most advanced country in the world we still burn coal and natural gas---is that asinine or what?

Now we have to pay through the nose for our power, thanks to the Hollywood left propaganda machine that scared Americans away from nuclear power plants.


This isn't a partisan issue, the left had nothing to do with it. The problem came from, at least in California, Califiornia not building any more energy plants, even though they knew they needed them. Instead, they contracted with energy companies, thereby creating an extremely unneccessary middle man, who could raise prices as high as they wanted.

BTW, it was the gov of calif at that time, who's administration was responsible for this change. His name was Pete Wilson, BTW on a side note, he was a Republican. It wasn't the Democrats who decided not to build more power plants.

Enron fell because it was corrupt, the books were cooked. When that news got out, that's when their stock started falling. Enron lied about its assets and yeah, smart people got scared and sold their assets, like any sensible person would have done. Enron was badly managed and it was corrupt at the top.


reply posted on 27-12-2006 @ 04:46 PM by sleeper
Originally posted by forestlady
This isn't a partisan issue, the left had nothing to do with it. The problem came from, at least in California, Califiornia not building any more energy plants, even though they knew they needed them. Instead, they contracted with energy companies, thereby creating an extremely unneccessary middle man, who could raise prices as high as they wanted.


It was partisan, Jane Fanda and many of her cohorts campaigned non-stop against nuclear power plants. And many that were under construction closed their doors because of them.

And the power plants you are talking about would have been coal-fired, and the loops one has to jump to build those plants made the cost prohibitive, that’s why they didn’t get built.


BTW, it was the gov of calif at that time, who's administration was responsible for this change. His name was Pete Wilson, BTW on a side note, he was a Republican. It wasn't the Democrats who decided not to build more power plants.


Are you saying that most of the legislation concerning air quality was put into place by Republicans? No it was put into place by democrats, and the bureaucracy from that legislation makes it impossible to build power plants, unless the governor was god there wasn’t much else he could do.


Enron fell because it was corrupt, the books were cooked. When that news got out, that's when their stock started falling. Enron lied about its assets and yeah, smart people got scared and sold their assets, like any sensible person would have done. Enron was badly managed and it was corrupt at the top.


Enron fell because everyone sold the stock, there are far worst off companies that mange to survive and restructure---Enron was not allowed to do that because their stock collapsed from the panic and everyone who lost money wanted someone’s head. So heads had to roll to appease the mob.



reply posted on 27-12-2006 @ 05:04 PM by sleeper
Originally posted by subject x
Originally posted by sleeper
We pay big bucks to CEOs because some of them are good at making companies profitable.

We don’t pay big bucks to CEOs because they are good looking; they have to earn what they are paid.

Take away the good CEOs and all pension funds will evaporate, and so will America.


Over the last 5 years, the CEOs of AT&T, BellSouth, Hewlett-Packard,Home Depot, Lucent, Merck, Pfizer, Safeway, Time Warner,Verizon and Wal-Mart were paid an aggregate $385 million in compensation- while shareholders lost a total of $640 billion.

-from Lou Dobbs' "War on the Middle Class"
www.amazon.com...
In his book, Lou lists several more examples, too. A very good book, worth the read.

So where do the good ones work? How do they justify those huge salaries while their companies are going down the toilet?



Lou Dobbs is a propagandist not an economist and he has a potty mouth.

All those companies are solvent and making billions of dollars otherwise their employees wouldn’t be taking home pay checks.

And those who own those stocks are also making money---has the leftwing propaganda blinded people that much?

All companies show loses as well as gains has nothing to do with anything it’s the nature of business.

Those who don’t understand capitalism are easily fooled by the likes of Lou Dobbs.

Here is a tip go buy stock in anyone one of those companies but don’t panic and sell when the stock falls a few points---those that lose are those that sell when the stock fluctuates and they get scared.

Thousands of pension funds hold stock in all those companies but few of them sell every time the company hits a speed bump.


reply posted on 27-12-2006 @ 05:14 PM by blanddad
Originally posted by sleeper
Originally posted by subject x
Originally posted by sleeper
We pay big bucks to CEOs because some of them are good at making companies profitable.

We don’t pay big bucks to CEOs because they are good looking; they have to earn what they are paid.

Take away the good CEOs and all pension funds will evaporate, and so will America.


Over the last 5 years, the CEOs of AT&T, BellSouth, Hewlett-Packard,Home Depot, Lucent, Merck, Pfizer, Safeway, Time Warner,Verizon and Wal-Mart were paid an aggregate $385 million in compensation- while shareholders lost a total of $640 billion.

-from Lou Dobbs' "War on the Middle Class"
www.amazon.com...
In his book, Lou lists several more examples, too. A very good book, worth the read.

So where do the good ones work? How do they justify those huge salaries while their companies are going down the toilet?



Lou Dobbs is a propagandist not an economist and he has a potty mouth.

All those companies are solvent and making billions of dollars otherwise their employees wouldn’t be taking home pay checks.

And those who own those stocks are also making money---has the leftwing propaganda blinded people that much?

All companies show loses as well as gains has nothing to do with anything it’s the nature of business.

Those who don’t understand capitalism are easily fooled by the likes of Lou Dobbs.

Here is a tip go buy stock in anyone one of those companies but don’t panic and sell when the stock falls a few points---those that lose are those that sell when the stock fluctuates and they get scared.

Thousands of pension funds hold stock in all those companies but few of them sell every time the company hits a speed bump.


I like Lou Dobbs but I am not enamored with him... having said that, he makes more sense than your justification. It is not Capitalism that most are upset with, it is the "free trade" treaties that are negotiated by our Administrations and NOT the free market. If these globalist ideas were sooooo good for everybody, then why do they have to make laws and special courts, in order to get the countries/people to comply?


reply posted on 27-12-2006 @ 05:18 PM by shai hulud
I am thoroughly in Sleeper's corner with this one. It is not like we are going to find an alternative fuel solution overnight. I am pretty sure that most people that are screaming at the big corporations( especially the oil giants) like Pelosi do not walk to work. It is kind of hard to take the left( and it is the LEFT, not democrats as a whole) seriously when they scream about how horrible things are and how we need to kill the big corp's, and then take off in their gas guzzling SUV's. If Pelosi wants to be serious, how about extending the amount of time it takes for a congressman to get their pension. The last time I checked it takes 20 yaers for the average joe or jill to get a pension even in civil service or putting your neck on the line in the armed forces. If memory serves, it takes 6 years for a person in congress that has been voted out to collect a fat pension from the taxpayer.

As far as the oil companies go, open up ANWR, drill in the gulf. We are almost completly at the mercy of the islamic world and pretty soon our old Russian buddies because the left and moderate republicans do not want to upset a nematode somewhere. Drilling has gone way beyond the old days of the strip mine mentality, and we do it quite cleaner than most of the world(check out the enviromental policies of other countries besides the US).

I hope that Pelosi can see for the time being that we as a nation (and most of the world as well) rely on the life blood that is oil. If not, enjoy walking to work if you still have a job through downtown DC. You better be armed, but that is a whole 'nother thread.

Pages: <<  1    2    3    4    5  >>    ^^TOP^^



The Peak Oil Lie: Oil is NOT going to run out
  Posted 7 days ago with 9 member flags
Oil\'s tipping point has passed
  Posted 10 days ago with 3 member flags
Why The US Will Never Be \'Energy Independent\'
  Posted 16 days ago with 2 member flags
Worldometers: Oil officially ends November 9 2053 ( 9/11 )
  Posted 15 days ago with 2 member flags

ATS Live North America is broadcasting in 52 minutes.
Today's Show: ATS Live: 96: Super powers, Falklands Woes, Stan Deyo Interview, Syria, Telepathy, The Devils Chord.