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Originally posted by Cug
Earlier yes, earliest no. those three volumes were written in 1905, 1906, and 1907.
Well for what it's worth... From my point of view Samael Aun Weor teachings "are heavily tainted with Black Magic, and that everything useful to be found in his books, can be found in the works of other writers who did not add abominable things to the Gnostic teachings."
And to tell the truth, he also shows signs of being a cultish leader. for example...:
...IMNSHO that is scary!
"Buddha asked his disciples the following:
Tell me, O disciples, when is a disciple no longer a disciple?
And Sariputra answered, "The good disciple must not break his vow of chastity.
Whosever breaks his vow of chastity is no longer a disciple of Sakyamuni."
Supreme Wisdom Lessons
11. Have you not learned that your word shall be Bond
regardless of whom or what?
Answer: Yes. My word is Bond and Bond is life, and I will
give my life before my word shall fail.
From the Moorish Science Temple thread
"The order of the Logos, the true Rosicross, does not have a visible or tangible organization in the physical world, it does not have a physical temple; this only exists in the superior worlds. The brethren of the Rosicrucian Order who have physical bodies here in this tridimensional world are all of them Resurrected Masters. They are Resurrected Masters who already incarnated the Christ.Those from distinct schools and orders in this physical world who denominate themselves Rosicrucian are false. The true Rosicrucian Order that the Logos has established upon the face of the Earth does not have any visible organization, it does not dictate courses by correspondence, nor does it collect fees, nor does it have juridical personality, nor does it have internal or external statutes. Their members are not even acquainted with each other in this physical world. They might be acquainted with each other in the superior worlds, yet in this physical world they very seldom, very seldom encounter each other." - The Kabbalah of the Mayan Mysteries
A lodge in the internal worlds whose members are all Resurrected Masters. The groups in the physical world who call themselves Rosicrucian have absolutely no affiliation with the True Order. In particular, Samael Aun Weor indicates repeatedly in many books that the school of A.M.O.R.C. (based in California) has nothing to do with the true Order. See The Revolution of Beelzebub for more information.
Chambers In Universal Gnosticism, there are three levels of help and instruction. First Chamber is the public, introductory teaching. Second Chamber is for those who have committed themselves to Gnosis and the death of the ego. Second Chamber is kept secret as it is a sacred and profound trust. Third Chamber is an even more advanced level of help, which is also kept Hermetically Sealed. These Three Chambers reflect the universal nature of all true Initiatic Colleges: in Masonry the initiates of each level were called (1) Apprentice, (2) Journeyman or Craftsman, and (3) Master. In Tibet, the same system is preserved. It is important to note that Samael Aun Weor emphasized the necessity for the Three Chamber system and any school that does not maintain this structure is lacking the connection to the Logos Samael. Only those Institutions who maintain the Chambers can be said to be true Gnostic Schools, wherever they may be. "We are therefore working, my dear brethren, to initiate the Era of Aquarius. We are working in order to save what is possible, meaning, those who allow themselves to be saved. This is why it is necessary that we shape our Gnostic Movements and that we organize them each time better; that we establish the Three Chambers. Our Gnostic Movements must have exactly Three Chambers. Each Lumisial must have Three Chambers for the instruction of our students. Our Gnostic Centers receive a name in a very pure language that flows like a river of gold that runs under the thick jungle of the sun; that name is LUMISIALS." - Samael Aun Weor, from a lecture entitled The Final Catastrophe and the Extraterrestrials
What is all that about? Every one born in the US gets their their virginity removed surgically?
But as that is an "anti" site it may be biased and have quotes taken out of context, but I would still like to hear your comments about it.
Tamahu if I may ask, do you read Spanish?
Who is Samael Aun Weor?
Do not follow me. I am just a signpost. Reach your own Self-realization.
The disciple who wants to enter the straight, narrow and difficult path that leads us to the Light has to withdraw from all spiritualist schools. Those schools are filled with “sublime crimes.” Those schools are golden cages filled with “very beautiful poisonous vipers.” Mystic evilness is very abundant in those schools.
Under the shelter of the divine phrase “Universal Fraternity” the worst crimes registered in the penal code are committed...
...We have known horrible cases, i.e. we knew the case of a certain hypocritical Pharisee who passed himself off as Jesus Christ; he founded an order of Black Magic and later he alleged that he was uniting all the schools, orders, sects, creeds and lodges within a universal fraternity; and he was the center of it all, naturally. We knew about another subject who took the name of K. H. in order to declare that he was an Avatar, and that he should reunite all the schools under his scepter. All these types of opportunist subjects tend to found black lodges under the shelter of the beautiful phrase “Universal Fraternity.”...
The mind must free itself from all kinds of “schools,” religions, sects, beliefs, etc. All those “cages” are obstacles which render the mind incapable of thinking freely. It is necessary for the mind to become free of the illusions of this world and become a fine and marvelous instrument of the Inner Being. - Samael Aun Weor
Cult (Latin cultus, worship, from colere, to cultivate)
Objectively, it is an exclusive group of awakened people (Initiates) who cultivate and share an esoteric knowledge, usually verified by the superior senses of their consciousness.
"Man know thyself and you will know the universe and its Gods."
Subjectively, it is a religious, philosophical or scientific system of worship and ritual; in other words, a way of expressing devoted reverence in a religious or non religious (subjective scientific manner, five senses). For example:
Scientific methods or regimen of present epochs cultivate a subjective knowledge about the origin of Man based exclusively on their subjective reasoning (five senses), which is an obsessive, faddish, devotion to a person’s theories or sophisms. The source of such devotion is pride and ignorance.
The interpretation of any religious scripture can become extremist or false when interpreted by subjective reasoning (five senses) or without the proper esoteric tools. Then, its followers can end up living a life in an unconventional manner and under the guidance of an ignoramus, authoritarian, charismatic leader
...Uranus is the regent of the constellation of Aquarius and this is something profoundly significant, my dear brethren. Uranus governs the sexual glands and this is why the Gnostic Movements clearly teach the Sahaja Maithuna, Sexual Magic, which is the Esoteric fundament of the New Era.
Uranus is also a Primeval King of the submerged Atlantis, that which we can call Ur-anas: the primordial fire and the water that determined the first luni-solar Cult of the androgyny Io.
Here is precisely where we find the root of the Chaldean Astro-Theurgy; this is why Uranus, the Asura-Maya, the First Atlantean, is nothing but the first revealer of the sexual mysteries.
The Sacred Mantra OM MANI PADME HUM is equivalent to the Gods Sun-Moon, Phallus-Uterus within which the marvelous clue of the Great Arcanum is found. IO-PITAR is the Sun, the Phallus, Om Mani is the Uterus, the Moon. OM MANI PADME HUM is the lotus flower with its masculine and feminine poles submerged within the Genesic waters of the first instant. Therefore, any type of teaching without the Sahaja Maithuna actually becomes extemporaneous for the New Era of Aquarius. It is impossible to enter into the Great Mysteries of the White Lodge without the doctrine of Uranus, the Asura-Maya, the first revealer...
(Roman name; known in Greek as Hestia) Hestia is the gentle, virgin goddess of the hearth-fire (both private & municipal), the home and family. She voluntarily relinquished her position as one of the twelve Olympians in place of Dionysos. As recompense she was made goddess of the sacrificial flame and granted a portion of all sacrifices to the gods. She is clearly a symbol of the the Divine Mother Kundalini, the root fire of all that exists. She was highly honored in every household from early times to the beginning of Christianity, when her worship was outlawed.
Her public cult maintained a sacred building in which her priestesses, the vestal virgins, tended the communal hearth and fire, which was never allowed to die out.
"To Hestia, fumigation from Aromatics. Daughter of Kronos, venerable dame, who dwellest amidst great fire’s eternal flame; in sacred rites these ministers are thine, mystics much blessed, holy and divine. In thee the Gods have fixed their dwelling place, strong, stable basis of the mortal race. Eternal, much formed, ever florid queen, laughing and blessed, and of lovely mien; accept these rites, accord each just desire, and gentle health and needful good inspire.” –Orphic Hymn 84 to Hestia
Love in Antiquity
The sexual act is a sacrament. This is how the ancient people understood it, having temples dedicated to love. Let us remember the temple of Venus in the august Rome of the Caesars. Let us remember the temple of the moon in ancient Chaldea.
Let us remember the ancient temples of India where the cult of love reigned.
In Lemuria, the ancient continent located somewhere in the Pacific Ocean, the cult of love reigned...
originally posted by: Voyager1
Could I ask what have these occultist contributed to the world other than books?
Have they been miraculously shown new medicines that saved half the world?
Have they given us answers to all the unanswered questions?
Where is God?
Who is God?
Have adepts given us modern technology?
What is it that's so special about being an adept that makes it worthy of a life long commitment?
What is he/she really going to do but sit and meditate, pray, write a book and abstain from fleshly pleasures?
Id like to see more than a book. Take Samuel Aun Weor for instance.....what else did he do for the world besides leave a book behind? Perhaps being an adept benefits the adept more and is not meant to benefit the world so much?
originally posted by: Roy Branegif
This an interesting topic Tamahu, here is a quote form the link you posted. - The mind must free itself from all kinds of “schools,” religions, sects, beliefs, etc. All those “cages” are obstacles which render the mind incapable of thinking freely. It is necessary for the mind to become free of the illusions of this world and become a fine and marvelous instrument of the Inner Being. - Samael Aun Weor
Can you expound on this any?