Originally posted by clearwater
With an erosion in the rule of law and the rise of tribal thinking, women become a commodity, mere chattle - it is the state of the animal kingdom in
man and our freedoms are, as always, tenuous and imperiled. Of course we are still mere chattle to many. A possession in a coffer without the equal
respect men get from one another. Perhaps because nurturing a wife and child requires greater sacrifice than men are expected to give one another. So
the temptation to reduce the equation to its animal origins seems more appealing to many than creating loving environments.
The economic wage disparity and reproductive dependency hasn't completely surmounted that and what we see now is a social sexual preying on women
unprecedented in history. Women, being women - crave male attention and are inducted into their own degradation in search of it. Could be that after
the initial devastation, women are even more valued and respected than current social customs indicate. That would depend on alot of things.
It has been years since I read this book written by a woman and I cant remember her name or the title but I will try to make the point about these
conditions and what astonished me about the situation.
This woman was a civilian caught up in the fall of the Phillipines early in WW2 and taken prisioner by the Japanese. She survived as a prisioner of
war in the camps.
What she said in this book about the female menstrual cycle astonished me. The conditions were very harsh and food was scarce and much of it not very
nutritious. Many of the women died as did the males in the other camps.
What she said was that the women made do just as many of the posters here are describing. However in addition to this she said that because of the
malnutrition ..many women simply stopped having thier periods. I was astonished by this. I had never considered such a thing.
I do agree with many of the posters in that under such conditions ones period would fade in importance compared to other problems.
I will remind the readers of something else. Out in the wild...under survival conditions the smell of blood from numerous women in thier cycles can
attract four legged predators. Remember this ..predators.the are often opportunists. This could also make the children vulnurable since the pattern
is to prey on what they pereive as the weak. Something to consider.
I dont know if it has a partial bearing on this concept but women in certain tribes were often seperated from the group in special shelters during
this time. Other family memebers or women picked up the slack.
It is just that we live in such a affluent social and economic structure that we hardly think of life outside of a shopping mall, grocery store or
drug store/pharmacy. What do we do if these places are no longer accessable.
The original posters question is not unreasonable. It is just that our social structure gives us little reason to think further than this affluence
and many of us think this affluence is the norm for everyone. It is not. It is very easy to think through the veil of our economic affluence and
deceive ourselves. Many in New Orleans found this out when conditions broke down.
I really resent the type of thinking you are trying to illustrate here in your post I have quoted above. This is about as standard textbook M1A issue
politics as is often generated by our intelligentsia. It is so standard that the average male can no longer think outside of what is posted and allows
this drivel to go through unchallanged. They too think this is entirely normal. I have often declared in ATS/BTS ..what a dumb bunch of men we have
out here today.
Women are a commodity..Chattel..even today.. You are joking about this right??
I have posted this in many rooms before so I will post it again.
As a sign of women being chattel here in this day and age especially in America...and other western nations....when I go into any department store
in this country ..coast to coast I see approximately seven times more floor space dedicated to women and womens goods than mens goods.
Since I know by ample testamony from "experts" on the subject that women earn less than men and there is a horrible wage disparity between women
and men ...I also now know that someone has to be paying for all these goods to afford a seven to one imbalance in goods and floor space f directed
primarily to women. It is not the women..they dont earn as much as men yes???
So the question arises Clearwater...who is paying for all this seven to one disparity in merchandize directed to women?? Its not the women ..they dont
make as much ...wage disparity remember?? Who is the victim here??
Think this through carefully.
To make this clear...I am saying that men only earn these moneys and often come in second place. The women determine how the moneys are spent.
..they,the men, are paying for thier own inequality.
Only a men can be this naturally dumb..because women are not. This is not women being chattel. If men are this mute and dumb they are the chattel.
REmember..seven to one...womens merchandize. If men were running this show it would be seven to one men!!
The willingness of the male to make moneys and turn the discretion of the spending of the moneys he earns over to his woman is one of the greatest
adaptations of all time. Yet when I see posts like yours I see no mention of this ..only veiled entitlement strategys.
The fact of the matter is...that men are only dumb enough to earn the moneys. The women in this country determine how most of it is spent. Not the
males. The males are way to dumb to put this together. They would rather watch the Lakers or such.
But women are doing everything men are doing and doing a better job of it ..right!! That was the mantra..yes??
How about in a survival situation...any difference??
The other thing is that many men in this country often work in jobs to earn this money where they face dangerous conditions daily. This too not
mentioned in posts like yours. Male death and injury on the job is not a statistic which "experts " on female victimization are wont to explain.
THey only quote female statistics.
Do you think in a survival situation..the enlightened women of this world are going to take risks for the men to live comfortable lives??
Do they do this in normal times with thier lives and careers?? Think this through carefully in lieu of the concept of wage disparity.
I can see this at Home Depot when I see the women going in this place with their men. The men are often taking directions from their women on how to
purchase for thier homes. This does not look like female victimization or Chattel to me.
Do you honestly think that in a survival situation like the ones described on this thread that men will still not take risks for thier familys often
to their extinction.
NO matter how you cut it ..the greatest benificiary of the males willingness to risk life and limb/extinction for his family has been the women and
And all you can focus on is your version of love.
You come across as very narrow minded...You cannot seem to realize that a mans willingness to work and sacrafice for family so often to his early
extinction is in fact love. This is to many men nuturing and love. You on the other hand are wont to substitute your version of how love should be.
Only rampant consumerism/entitlement to the point of a drug habit can bind people to this understanding. Male and Female both.
The main ingredient I see many women bewailing and moaning about in normal times and also survival times is thier sex and reproduction. Thats it..the
main ingredient. And you want respect?? Think this through carefully both in connotation and denotation. I can tell this clearly by going through any
department store and checking out the seven to one floor space.
YOu want respect ..normal times or survival times...make yourself more useful to the point of extinction as do many men and turn over much of your
production so that a man can spend time worring about his second class status as chattel.
'As to animal origins..I can assure you ..I have watched women many times in different situations..they are very animalistic. It is just that they
are much more adept at concealing this than are men. ...by far. Women are also very very highly territorial. Much more and differently than a man but
territorial nonetheless. A woman in disagreement with another women does not cut another woman the slack which a man is wont to do. A woman will go
for another womans jugular very quickly. It is very animalistic in a manner for which most men have difficulty conceiving...but animalistic non the
less..nothing civilized about it. And I mean this in a survival situation as well as good times.
OH..about social sexual predators...yes I agree..buisnesses and manufacturers/advertisers are quite adept as this social sexual predation of
women...their sexual insecuritys to sell merchandize. It goes from there right on through the food chain. ..even down to our kids...and that is the
worst thing of which I worry. The kids. They will even prey on them at very young ages. No time anymore to be just kids.
I can only surmise that good times have ruined us as a people that we can afford this dumbness..male and female both.