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I don't have the patience to sift through this thread to find what you guys don't like about Ron Paul's actual platform, but here is a great speech by his son that I think speaks the conservative message very well. I understand a lot of you don't like his supporters or chances, but isn't he the most conservative candidate and proven politician up there? How can you be sure that Romney or McCain will uphold the conservative platform given their records? Do you guys really think Republicans can win if they support George Bush? It seems to me like republicans would rather sink the ship then change course.
I didn't realize you were a Democrat, that makes more sense in why you wouldn't support him. It's a matter of Big Gov vs Small Gov, and that another thread.
How did he vote himself out of office as a Republican though?
That's what I don't get, if someone is a conservative Republican and they look at Paul, McCain, and Romney’'s histories, how could they not like Ron Paul the most? If there's a conservative reading this, could you maybe watch that video and tell me what you didn't like, it touches on a lot of conservative and Republican issues. I just don't see how Romney or McCain are more conservative or Republican and this is the thread about the conservative candidate.
The debate that has survived the longest is referred to by libertarians as the anarchist/miniarchist debate. In 1974, anarchists and miniarchists within the Party agreed to "cease fire" about the specific question of whether governments should exist at all, and focus on promoting voluntary solutions to the problems caused by government instead.
A related internal discussion concerns the philosophical divide over whether the Party should aim to be mainstream and pragmatic, or whether it should focus on being consistent and principled. members who identify themselves as principled have dominated the party since the early 1980s. The departure of Ed Crane and David H. Koch (of the Cato Institute, a libertarian-leaning think tank) is held up as an example.
Occasionally, media outlets incorrectly label Lyndon LaRouche as a Libertarian in articles about the controversy he generates. Mistakes such as this are problematic for any political party, but have a heavier impact on a smaller party which generally gets less press coverage overall. However, LaRouche has never sought the Libertarian nomination for President.
I kept an open mind about Ron until he refused to refund a donation from Neo Nazis and didn't speak out against there beliefs.
Sorry but Ron statement isnt a defence . Not refunding the money is in effect saying that the views of the Neo Nazis are OK . The same Freedom that Ron refers to also gives him the right to refund the money and speak out against the donors .
McCain or Romney would stand a reasonable chance of having the bills needed to implement there policy's passed by Congress. The same can not be said for Ron.
Being fiscal conservative isnt enough to get elected if the spending cuts come from programs they support. Before the US can have fiscal conservativeism(SP?) the US has to have fiscal sanity.
Its not really feasible or desirable to go from the status qua to Ron's policy's .
Change has to be a measured decision for the better.
IMO any genuine change in the US would involve the country becoming a representative democracy
I prefer to use the term STRONG central government rather than “big.”
What do you think the general role of the federal government is supposed to be or should be?
Originally posted by captainplanet
I can accept your moral grounds for not supporting him personally, but would you agree that his platform is the most conservative?
Amendment XIV Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States . .
Then Paul asserted that drug dealers here illegally are NOT under the jurisdiction of the US Government and therefore, their children born here are NOT citizens. Au contraire! First, we are not talking about drug dealers. We are talking about children born on our shores. There is no “jurisdiction” issue.
Ann Coulter has endorsed Romney in a round about way and with greater punch by saying that she would vote for Hillary before she voted for McCain. Since I treat Ann as a media version of a troll so I don't know what impact her rant will have if any.