Religion is a private matter.
posted by Justin Oldham
I'm all for being a good example. I'm all for a guarded tongue, too. Even so, I don't think there is a human being alive today that could never
swear. As a principle, I don't see anything wrong with your point. It's something to aspire to. A life-long goal to be pursued. If a President
can be dismissed for bad language, how does anyone stay employed? I understand your theological point, and I'm hoping that one day we can achieve
such high ideals. Until we can, we'll just have to keep on trying.
It is not a public spectacle unless some overzealous religionist chooses to make it that. There are very few
things on this planet a person will joyfully kill another person for. Religion is one of those things. Judaism and its two step-children have all 3
been as violent and disrespectful of human life as any New Guinea cannibal ever was.
It is hard for me to think of a significant contribution by a religion that has had lasting value. Religion has a hard hold on a whole lot of people.
It does not work and they know it but they studiously avoid thinking about it. A closed mind. Yet religion has billions of devotees. It seems akin to
a metastasised cancer. The body politic is infected. We can’t cut it out because every organ is involved. We can’t irradiate it out because an
effective dosage will kill the patient. Which leaves us with chemo-therapy. The weapon of last resort. Like a suicide bomber.
The Age of Enlightenment
- different times at different places - but primarily in the 18th century, offered hope of religion’s imminent
demise. But alas, the hope was forlorn.
religion is almost universally allied with conservative thinking people. “Conservative” as used here to mean only those wh
resist change. Any change. All change. Advocates of the status quo. It goes unspoken those self same people have settled into an advantageous
economic niche. Reminiscent to me of the holders of the Seldon Patent. Before Henry Ford ignored it then defeated it in court. See Foot Note.
wrote that only a very small number of people actually believe in a God; like a magician who can turn water into wine. Or defy
gravity and walk on water. A genuine magic act. Which if true events, had surprisingly little or no visible effect on the observers. That leads me to
think the author was writing fiction? And, I believe his audience knew that. But they liked a good story as much as we do. We are the ones who added a
divine source to the old stories, elevating them to a status irrefutable by the facts.
But Harris also says a very large number of people believe in believing
in God. Without his permission, I place J/O in this classification,
subject to his right of rejection or modification. Like most people, religious or not, we want to be and to do “better” whatever that is. When
the ever elusive and ethereal element of life irretrievably departs from the ultra complex chemical processing plant we call humans, we want to be
remembered as a “good” person.
But let’s be honest for a minute. Who in 2107, will know (or care) you ever existed? Does that mean you missed the immortality gig?
Genghis Khan, Attila the Hun, Jonas Salk, Isaac Newton and Abraham Lincoln who will never be forgotten? Hmm?
Almost everyone over 7 or 8 years of age knows religion is a fake. IMO. But it serves enough of us well enough to keep it. Religiosity allows our
thoughts to dwell more on the here and now - free marketeers - and less on the day after tomorrow - pure altruism. What’s good for others is good
for me be our mantra?
People in power find religion useful.
It was as true then under Emperor Constantine
as it is today under Bush43
. It represents an
element of control over society. Republican politics beginning with Reagan and his link with end-time Evangelicals are like a two horse team. One hand
washes the other. Us outsiders only wonder which is the wheel horse? Under Bush43 the hard line religionists have dipped their grubby hands deep
into the public treasury. They have influenced - infected - public policy with their own narrow vision of the world in matters of science and
medicine. And civil liberties, anathema to both Bush43 and the RRs.
So which conservative politician seeking the 2008 GOP nomination is willing to openly embrace this cadre of modern day Christian Crusaders? Determined
single issue voters. The contemporary successors to the 19th Century’s American Party a/k/a the “Know-nothings.” James Dobson is lurking on the
ski slopes of Colorado, waiting to take Jerry Falwell’s place.
Pat Robertson is so looney that even the 700 Club is thinking about changing its name to “350 Club.” Half of the beguiled are gone. And that old
black and white tv fraud, Oral Roberts, him of the 800 foot cross, him of the $7 million gift or go home to Jesus, when is that old faker going to
“go home” to collect his reward? I find it odd how those folks who speak so lovingly from the pulpit of “being in the bosom of Abraham
(Jesus)” yet, when they have the opportunity, they say “No thanks.”
Finally, we have really ruled out knowing anything at all about GOD. We say GOD is infinite. We humans admit we are finite. The finite cannot know
the infinite. That is by definition. By convention. To extent we claim to know GOD, that is, to the extent GOD is knowable, He is finite. He is no
longer infinite and so, no longer GOD. Ipso facto, the finite cannot know the infinite.
After many years of hard work coupled with genius, Dayton’s Wilbur and Orville Wright made the first powered flight at Kitty Hawk,
NC, in December, 1903. Others especially in France were at work with the same goal. Flight began in France in the 1700s, with hot air balloons flying
over Paris. The Wright brothers were glider pilots of some skill. Glenn H. Curtiss of New York, backed by Alexander Graham Bell, was also an early
pioneer in powered flight, with his first plane, an amphibian, lifting off in 1908.
The Wright brothers filed for a US patent as had George Seldon for automobiles. The Wright Flyer as they christened it, had one very serious
deficiency. Airplanes move in 3 axes. Pitch, up and down, is controlled by the elevators. Turning left or right, called yaw, is controlled by the
rudder, and roll, dipping one wing, raising the other, is today controlled by aerialrons. The Wright Flyer employed a complex system of ropes and
pulleys to actually bend the wingtips up and down to give the Flyer roll control. By 1908 Curtiss had adopted the French improvement of movable planes
(wings), called an aerialron. Still in use.
The Wright brothers were wary of the adverse effect adding aerialrons to the Flyer would have on the validity of their patent application. Because all
other airplane pioneers and manufacturers had adopted the vastly superior moveable aerialron to control roll and the Wright’s patent claim utilized
the “bent wingtips” method, they were precluded from modernizing their own planes. Their patent application was eventually defeated by the same
lawyers who had defeated the Seldon patent, also financed by Henry Ford who had met and liked Glenn Curtiss. The Wrights made a total of 13 Flyers and
Glenn Curtiss made 3,000 ‘Jennys,’ the plane of War 1 fame. Curtiss bought the Wright’s “rights” and “name” and formed Curtiss-Wright
Q. Is GOD For War or For Peace?
How Can You Tell?
Top 20 Wars of the 20th Century
World War Two, 1937-1945, (Japan invaded China in 1937)
World War One, 1914-1918,
Korean War, 1950-1953,
Chinese Civil War, 1945-1949,
Vietnam War, 1965-1973,
Iran-Iraq War, 1980-1988,
Russian Civil War, 1918-1921,
French Indo-China, 1945-1954,
Mexican Revolution, 1911-1920,
Spanish Civil War, 1936-1939,
French Algerian War, 1954-1962,
Afghanistan USSR War, 1980-1989,
Russo-Japanese War, 1904-1905,
See users.erols.com/mwhite28/war-list.htm for remaining wars on list.
In the 20th century, the world has been free of major wars
(Note year dates are inclusive).
1901-1903 - 3 years
1906-1913, 8 years
1922-1935, 13 years
1963-1964, 2 years
1974-1979, 6 years
1990, 1 year
1992-1996, 5 years
1998-2000, 3 years.
Total Free of War Years, 41.
If you assume GOD is in control fo the Universe, which means that it does what HE wills it to do, then GOD prefers war, 59 to 41 in the 100 years of
the 20th Century.
A. GOD prefers War!
[edit on 6/24/2007 by donwhite]