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Originally posted by Sun Matrix
The reason Christians go on with the idea that Jesus is God, is because he is. Can a non believer grasp the fact that the Romans were trying to kill all Christians and now were in charge of the movement..................HELLO.................WAKE UP.
Originally posted by babloyi
The idea that Jesus was the same as God was cemented during the Council of Nicea.
The earliest followers of Jesus all seemed pretty convinced that Jesus was fully God in human form. Paul said, "He is the image of the invisible God...in him all the fulness of God was pleased to dwell." John said that Jesus created the world. Peter said, "every one who believes in him receives forgiveness of sins through his name."
But what did Jesus say about himself? Did he ever identify himself as God? According to the Bible...absolutely! Below are some of his statements made while on earth, in their context.
Is Jesus God? How he implied he was God:
The Jews therefore said to Him, "You are not yet fifty years old, and have You seen Abraham?" Jesus said to them, "Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was born, I am." Therefore they picked up stones to throw at Him; but Jesus hid Himself, and went out of the temple. (John 8:57-59)
"I and the Father are one." The Jews took up stones again to stone Him. Jesus answered them, "I showed you many good works from the Father; for which of them are you stoning Me?" The Jews answered Him, "For a good work we do not stone You, but for blasphemy; and because You, being a man, make Yourself out to be God." (John 10:30-33)
And Jesus cried out and said, "He who believes in Me does not believe in Me, but in Him who sent Me. And he who beholds Me beholds the One who sent Me. I have come as light into the world, that everyone who believes in Me may not remain in darkness." (John 12:44-46)
Jesus said to him, "I am the way, and the truth, and the life; no one comes to the Father, but through Me. If you had known Me, you would have known My Father also; from now on you know Him, and have seen Him." Philip said to Him, "Lord, show us the Father, and it is enough for us." Jesus said to him, "Have I been so long with you, and yet you have not come to know Me, Philip? He who has seen Me has seen the Father; how do you say, 'Show us the Father'?" (John 14:6-9)
John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God
Originally posted by Sun Matrix
Your statement is false. The belief that Jesus was God occured because he was healing people, feeding thousands with a handfull of loaves and fishes and raising people from the dead.
Jesus answered them, "I showed you many good works from the Father; for which of them are you stoning Me?" The Jews answered Him, "For a good work we do not stone You, but for blasphemy; and because You, being a man, make Yourself out to be God." (John 10:30-33)
Originally posted by Sun Matrix
The idea was CEMENTED when Jesus himself rose from the dead. This so called vote you talk about (without looking it up to verify) was something like 318 to 3.
Originally posted by merky
First Council of Nicaea almost 400 years after Jesus died, decided by vote what was going to be taught to the people....
They also decided what is in the Bible and what is left out for your own sake.
Do they not still control you with fear??
BTW...before you ask for proof....it's all part of recorded Roman history. You do know the Roman's kept pretty good written records....correct?
en.wikipedia.org...