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Originally posted by deadbang
I really hope Bush listens to his generals and seriously beefs up the forces.
If anything I think we have proven that the Rumsfeld doctrine is not really the way to win a war...as a tool to take key objectives...it has some merit.
To win a war, you fight it in the Schwarzkopf doctrine.. you assemble overwhelming forces, through either your own or a coalition...and hit them HARD on all fronts...and then don't let up until they surrender.
SS...you really should read up on insurrgencies and how they fair in modren warfare...I honestly don't beleive that the insurrgents in Iraq can post the numbers it would take to defeat a modern military. Let's use Vietnam since you are so fond of using that as an example...I believe the killed in action numbers were something like over 1 million to 58,000...can you honestly say that at the rate we are going in our losses (U.S.) somewhere around 3000, that the insurrgents currently or potentially could come up with enough fighters for a long all out slog...
I don't...you can boast and say they can...but in all honesty what we have here is a classic war of attrition, and frankly Irag's insurrgency cannot put up the numbers it would take to secure victory.
a chihuahua taking on a tank
Not sure if people remember since this was a while ago but it was a video of a bunch of security guys (Not arabs) driving around in Iraq just randomly shooting cars driving on the road and shooting at people walking on streets.
I don't know, my fear with that is that if we leave Iraq without any kind of a solution or resolution then what would stop the Muslim problem from coming here to the States
obviously they're weakened because they would even consider a truce in the first place
Originally posted by Syrian Sister
Right, and i'm the naive one, did Fox news tell you this stuff? You think that the shia actually want you there? You think they don't have resistance movements of their own?
I downloaded a video yesterday, that will wake you right up out of that dream, but it's far to graphic to post on here. Send me a u2u if you want to watch things other than what you find on CNN, and see for yourself how much the shia love you.
[edit on 23-12-2006 by Syrian Sister]
Originally posted by ThePieMaN
That country as soon as we leave is going to go towards religious rule anyway. We should leave and open Saddams cell on the way out and let him know that we are going to watch him closely. He is the only man that will keep both sides together aside from splitting the country up and having wars at the borders constantly. We are not going to be able to fix anything. They do not trust us and I don't blame them. More people died under our occupation then during Saddams entire rule.
Originally posted by xpert11
You cant defeat an insurgency by a war of attrition for the simple reason unlike a conventional army in many cases an insurgency can tap into an almost bottomless pit of man power. Insurgency's mostly require idealogical training rather then physical training.
Unless you win the hearts and minds of the local population you could have a 10 - 1 casualty rate in your favor and you would still lose the war.
It also helps if you attempted to cut or at the very least put some kind of pressure on the insurgents supply lines.
[edit on 24-12-2006 by xpert11]
Originally posted by marg6043
Nothing has been shattered here
Is not about wining is not about victories is about destabilization of a rich oil area that is in the hands of undesirable factions.
And is not over . . . is not about the Iraqi people and neither the Iranian is about creating chaos and to keep the profiteers of war coffers fat and the oil away from unfriendly hands . . . as long as they stay fighting nobody can claim the land and nobody can expliot the oil.
Originally posted by Syrian Sister
Hey if you don't want to take it, it's your funeral. Literally.
My guess is your just going to try the tired old "send more troops in" strategy, because that really worked well for you right before the fall of saigon.
Frankly i can't wait untill you do, because it shows we are getting closer to the end. Another chapter gone of history repeating itself.
All we need now is a tet offensive.