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Alber Pike and Lucifer

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posted on Dec, 24 2006 @ 10:10 PM
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Thanks Appak. It just seems that many people imply that to be a good man one needs to join masonry. And well to be honest it's very offensive to think like that. I read some where that skull and bones members refer to outsiders as barbarians and that just doesn't set right with me. I never liked to considered inferior. You know what I mean my friend?




posted on Dec, 24 2006 @ 10:14 PM
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Originally posted by Andy Warhol
Thanks Appak. It just seems that many people imply that to be a good man one needs to join masonry. And well to be honest it's very offensive to think like that. I read some where that skull and bones members refer to outsiders as barbarians and that just doesn't set right with me. I never liked to considered inferior. You know what I mean my friend?


I do indeed. That's one of the things I like most about Freemasonry. We believe and teach the Brotherhood of ALL mankind...not just that of members of the Fraternity.



posted on Dec, 24 2006 @ 10:15 PM
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Originally posted by Andy Warhol
Thanks Appak. It just seems that many people imply that to be a good man one needs to join masonry. And well to be honest it's very offensive to think like that. I read some where that skull and bones members refer to outsiders as barbarians and that just doesn't set right with me. I never liked to considered inferior. You know what I mean my friend?


Oh dude, I didn't mean it like that. I mean that some people that are masons are bettered by it. Its all about personal improvments.



posted on Dec, 24 2006 @ 10:20 PM
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Thanks. We can get in trouble for one line replies. I don't know what else to say.



posted on Dec, 25 2006 @ 12:58 AM
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Originally posted by Masonic Light
Since you seem to not even know, a "Luciferian" is a student of the ancient church fathert St. Lucifer of Cagliari. If you don't believe me, look it up.






Lucifer (Latin: lux, lucis, luce, luci, and lucu: “light”; fer, fero: “to bear, carry, support, lift, hold, take up”; these synthesize as “Bearer of Light”)


Before Milton, Lucifer had never been a name of the devil. One of the early Popes of Rome bore that name, and there was even a Christian sect in the fourth century which was called the Luciferians. In Universal Gnosticism, Lucifer is the shadow of the Christ.





We really ought to strive to understand the nature of Lucifer, Jehovah and Satan, through direct experience; and not completely based upon what others have to say.


Pretty much all of us have direct experience of Satan.

Satan, for most of us is manifested through our body, speech and mind, probably more than 97% of the time.

But what about Jehovah and Lucifer?


Link: Lucifer: Details





To really be able to understand Free-Masonry(especially Scottish Rite) it is IMPERATIVE TO KNOW the OCCULT NUMBER SYSTEM and the SYMBOLOGY associated with each number. For example, the numbers 3,9,11,13,33,39 have special importance to them.




You're correct.


3 9 11 13 33 39


And 33 is also the number of years of the life of Yeshua Hamashiah before he was crucified, is the number of Vertabrae in the Spinal Column(of special significance in relation to Kundalini Yoga, the Book of Revelation and Highest Yoga-Tantra) and is the number of the Abodes of Indra.

And is also the number fahrenheit just one degree above freezing point.





Originally posted by SkepticGreek74
So we have a confessed LUCIFERIAN (666) who created the 33rd degree of masonry and founded




The Beast 666, is Satan, the fornicating intellectual-animal mistakenly called "Man".


The Solar Logos 666, is Christus-Lucifer:


Link: The Solar AUM





Eliphas Levi, H.P. Blavatsky, Albert Pike, Manly P. Hall and others have all made references to the Nature of Lucifer in their writings...





Arcanum 15 Passion









“And the voice (the Word) replies: "He who is aware (of his Being and the essence of his Being), IS! Behold!"






“Gazing about him, Adam finds himself in a radiant (solar) place (the inner circle of Samech), in the midst of which stands a tree with flashing jewels for fruit and entwined about its trunk (is Nachash, the Serpent that healed the Israelites in the Wilderness) a flaming, winged serpent crowned with a diadem of stars. It was the voice of the serpent that had spoken.

"Who are you?" demands the Adam.

"I," the serpent (Nachash) answers, "am (in the inner circle of Samech, the Serpent that healed the Israelites in the Wilderness and in the outer circle of Samech, am) Satan who was stoned (because of your filthy orgasm); I am (Christus-Lucifer, the only begotten, the Light of the Ain Soph,) the Adversary--the Lord who is against you, the one who pleads for your destruction (in the abysses of Klipoth) before the Eternal Tribunal. I was your enemy upon the day that you were formed (from my very essence but ignorant of my nature); (this is why) I have led you into temptation; I have delivered you into the hands of evil; I have maligned you; I have striven ever to achieve your undoing (through a psychological transformation in Alchemy). I am the guardian of the Tree of Knowledge (of my own essence) and I have sworn that none whom I can lead astray (through, fornication, adultery and any filthy sins of the flesh) shall partake of its fruits (which hide the light of my Father the Ain Soph)."













[edit on 25-12-2006 by Tamahu]


Jn

posted on Dec, 25 2006 @ 10:58 AM
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great, so why did the masons allow the television?

obviously designed to hypnotise



hows it going appak


[edit on 25-12-2006 by Jn]



posted on Dec, 25 2006 @ 02:32 PM
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Originally posted by Jn
great, so why did the masons allow the television?

obviously designed to hypnotise

hows it going appak


Why fine, thank you. And you?

What do you mean by "allow" the television?

Not sure about it's hypnotic powers, although I do often fall asleep to it.



posted on Dec, 25 2006 @ 02:44 PM
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Originally posted by Masonic Light

Originally posted by ViewFromTheStars
And the semantics fly...


So you pike supporters and your mason minions can take your -generic- 'great architect of the universe'.. you know.. the one you guys designed so that you can fit everyones beliefs into it and you can shove it where the light from your "son of the morning" doesn't shine. Some of us aren't falling for your deception.




And in like manner you can take whatever mental idol you call "God" and worship, and stick it where the view from the stars doesn't shine. Cause, quite simply, I ain't buyin'.





Believe it or not, what I said was 20% supposed to be humorous but the other 80%, well.. I guess this kind of response was warranted.

In all honestly, I think I'm going to have to take a break from this particular debate because I have lost all my patience concerning this matter. Hopefully after some time and I can 'debate' this some more but for now I'm taking a break. (Not from ATS in general) One thing I will leave you with is this: You can't escape death just like you will not escape the Great White Throne Judgement. You guys can believe what you will but I believe in the Deity of Jesus Christ, our Lord and Savior. I'm not going to believe or support anything else... I'm also not going to go somewhere where the Bible 'shares' a spot with other religious books on some altar and system trying to 'fit' all religious under some 'great architect of the universe'.




So yes... I will believe in my Lord and God... JESUS.


Jesus is God's ID card. Any 'god' that does not acknowledge Jesus as His Son is not God. This rules out budha, allah and anything else masonry 'embodies'. You either do it entirely in the name of Jesus or you don't.

Masonic Light,

Telling people to shove it is perhaps not the best 'bedside manner' in the posting world but like I said earlier.. we all are going to have to stand before Jesus in judgement.... you are going to have to explain to HIM why you mixed Him up with all the other beliefs in the world. How can you believe in Jesus if you also believe that the God of Jesus is the same 'one' of allah, or budha. Quite simply you can not. If you are not worshipping and believing in God in JESUS' name exclusively you are not worshipping or believing in the One True Living God. That's ultimately up to you to believe.


Someone here earlier said that there was big difference between the 'lucifer' mentioned din the Bible and the serpent.. Are you absolutely sure about that?

satan is always trying to blur the lines between the serpent and God himself, you gonna' fall for it?


Well Merry Christmas all and of course a happy new year.


Jn

posted on Dec, 25 2006 @ 02:55 PM
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Originally posted by Appak

What do you mean by "allow" the television?

Not sure about it's hypnotic powers, although I do often fall asleep to it.


i was asking a question as such, allow was part of the question


its easy to see some of the effects of tv, just look at other people who are watching tv



posted on Dec, 25 2006 @ 03:03 PM
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Originally posted by Jn

Originally posted by Appak

What do you mean by "allow" the television?

Not sure about it's hypnotic powers, although I do often fall asleep to it.


i was asking a question as such, allow was part of the question


its easy to see some of the effects of tv, just look at other people who are watching tv



Yes, but I don't understand the question. What do Masons have to do with Television? We're a fraternity, we have no control over TV (except the ones in our own homes) We certainly can't suppress it, so again, I don't quite grasp what you're asking.


Jn

posted on Dec, 25 2006 @ 03:24 PM
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Originally posted by Appak
Yes, but I don't understand the question. What do Masons have to do with Television? We're a fraternity, we have no control over TV (except the ones in our own homes) We certainly can't suppress it, so again, I don't quite grasp what you're asking.



i am asking as well, i was asking then why are masons pro tv?



posted on Dec, 25 2006 @ 04:55 PM
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Originally posted by Jn
i am asking as well, i was asking then why are masons pro tv?


Jn,

We're going in circles here. Masons are neither "pro" nor "con" as far as TV. We're a fraternity and have not official connection with television (except that we've produced from time to time, educational videos, etc. for our membership or the world at large.

Where did you see that the Masonic fraternity was "pro TV"?





posted on Dec, 25 2006 @ 05:11 PM
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Originally posted by Jn
great, so why did the masons allow the television?

obviously designed to hypnotise












Fear Factor and the Joys of Television


Initiation into the Black Lodge is happening on television everyday.



Fear Factor: "Where else can you see well-built hunks and curvaceous women vie for $50,000 by competing in such stunts as driving a car underneath a moving truck or into a head-on collision? And that's the easy stuff. They also take part in gross-out contests such as seeing who can eat the most spiders or who can last longest submerged in a vat filled with snakes, rats or worms."


The most popular shows on television are all centered around lust, greed, pride, anger, and envy...





Want To Watch Television?



Have you ever meditated even once on the danger of erotic images? Remember that within your mind you have a skilful translator. This translator is the “I,” who always betrays the devotees of the Path. This “I” creates mental effigies, living demons of the Mental Plane. The devotees fornicate with these demons in the Mental Plane.

The movie theatres are true temples of Black Magic of the Mental Plane, because the mind creates living effigies, tempting demons which are absolute duplicates of the erotic images that we have seen in the movies or in the newspapers or in pornographic magazines.

The “I” betrays us in other levels of consciousness. A simple erotic word becomes fornication within the Mental World.



Do not deceive yourself with the "belief" that you can transform what you see on television.


Jn

posted on Dec, 25 2006 @ 06:21 PM
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Originally posted by Appak
Jn,

We're going in circles here. Masons are neither "pro" nor "con" as far as TV. We're a fraternity and have not official connection with television (except that we've produced from time to time, educational videos, etc. for our membership or the world at large.

Where did you see that the Masonic fraternity was "pro TV"?





they havnt stopped tv, so you see where the pro tv comes from



posted on Dec, 25 2006 @ 06:28 PM
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Originally posted by ViewFromTheStars




Believe it or not, what I said was 20% supposed to be humorous but the other 80%, well.. I guess this kind of response was warranted.


Well, I got pretty heated too, and I don't think either of us made a good example or represented our professions very well in our last posts to each other...and perhaps we both temporarily lost sight of the meaning of the season and the holiday we celebrated today. Therefore, I apologize, and in like manner, harbor no ill feelings.







So yes... I will believe in my Lord and God... JESUS.


View, you can believe whatever you want. That's sort of Masonry's whole point, at least concerning religion. When Masonry was first born, men were being tortured and murdered for their beliefs. Masonry boldly stated that each man has the right to believe whatever he wants, and is answerable to no one but God for such beliefs. She was the first great voice for Freedom of Religion.

And she went even further. Masonry said she will not discriminate against men of different opinions from the most popular one, and allowed all men of good character to join the fraternity, regardless of their personal religious opinions.



How can you believe in Jesus if you also believe that the God of Jesus is the same 'one' of allah, or budha. Quite simply you can not.


Why do you think I believe such a thing? I never said anything remotely similar to that. Buddha was a philosopher, a man, not a god. And I do not believe that the god of the Muslims is the same as the God of the Christians.

I would even go even further, and say that not even all Christians worship the same God. The God of the Calvinist is not the God of the Arminian, and the God of the Roman Catholic is distinct from the God of the Pentecostal.


Someone here earlier said that there was big difference between the 'lucifer' mentioned din the Bible and the serpent.. Are you absolutely sure about that?


I'm not the one who said, but I know it to be true. The "Lucifer" mentioned in the King James Version refers to Tigleth-Pilaser, king of Babylon, in the Hebrew originals.

St. Jerome, who translated Isaiah into Latin, was the first to insert the word "Lucifer". This was done as a joke, at the expense of the aforementioned St. Lucifer of Cagliari, one of Jerome's rivals. The original Hebrew term meant "shining one", while "lucifer" is a Latin word meaning "light bearer".

When some of the Masonic and Theosophical authors of the 19th century used the word "Lucifer", they did so in that classical context, and not in reference to the devil of Christianity.



Well Merry Christmas all and of course a happy new year.



Likewise.



posted on Dec, 25 2006 @ 07:05 PM
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Originally posted by Jn
they havnt stopped tv, so you see where the pro tv comes from


You're pretty confused huh Jn? Do you honestly think the Masonic Fraternity (you DO know what a "Fraternity" is don't you?) could (or even WOULD) stop TV?

If so, HOW?

And WHY?




posted on Dec, 25 2006 @ 07:15 PM
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Hello Friends,


After reviewing the subject matter covered in this thread I would have to say...I am more confused than ever. Someone mentioned a movie about Darkness to Light, another about being from Hell, Lucifer is Christ, Satan is a beast that thinks he is a man
I don't think I ever been more confused in all of my life.

I like Freemasonry, personally, in fact the feeling the word like implies doesn't even do my actual feelings justice and the truth of that is part of the confusion


I was invited to a dinner at my local lodge a couple of weeks ago but since then a lot things may have changed. I'm not even sure if I should go
I want to go, in fact I'm anxious but...
I suppose I am a little lost, but I am prepared to cast aside all of my preconceptions regarding the fraternity in an effort to belong.

I hope everyone had a wonderful Christmas, for those that celebrate, and has a happy New Year.



Kindest Regards


Jn

posted on Dec, 25 2006 @ 07:40 PM
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Originally posted by Appak
You're pretty confused huh Jn? Do you honestly think the Masonic Fraternity (you DO know what a "Fraternity" is don't you?) could (or even WOULD) stop TV?

If so, HOW?

And WHY?




i was just asking a question

it was a question about why free masonry is pro tv?



posted on Dec, 25 2006 @ 08:00 PM
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Originally posted by Jn
i was just asking a question
it was a question about why free masonry is pro tv?


But WHY do you think Freemasonry IS pro tv?

The Rotary Club hasn't eliminated TV, either. My point is Freemasonry has no CONTROL over the existence of TV.

How could it? Why do you think we could in the first place?

I'm a Freemason and I happen to LIKE tv, but I'm sure there are some Masons who do not.

Something must have given you the idea that Freemasonry could control TV?

[edit on 25-12-2006 by Appak]



posted on Dec, 26 2006 @ 03:58 AM
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Hello Again Friends,

it is around 3am here and I couldn't sleep, increasingly puzzled by the this thread and its growing implications.

In case anyone was wondering I don't believe Lucifer Christ is homicidal. Whilst on the subject of tv... I don't want this to sound like an episode of Buffy the Vampire Slayer but at least two grotesque creatures in human form have been spotted but they could have just been having a bad day.
This thread brings to mind a couple of interesting films. One was about an FBI crime fighter who detected his marks astrally. The second was about a father son team who could detect the inner nature of people and well, yea. I, personally, get faint at the site of blood.

I am not ready for the twilight zone fellas.


Kindest Regards



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