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ArchBishop Hugo Chavez

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posted on Dec, 22 2006 @ 07:37 AM
Archbishop Chavez

Hugo Chavez as head bishop of his own own state-sponsored church.

Yes, you read that correctly. There is a proposal to make him high priest of his own form of evangelical Christianity, convert his cabinet members into bishops of a lower rank, and submit church activities to the civil and military power of his government. Considering the guy is a complete WHACK (IMHO), I’m sure he’ll jump at the chance.

Read more at the article. It’s rather interesting and, if it goes through, would not only make for very entertaining late-night comic humor but would also affect religion and politics across the region.

Wonder what ROME thinks of this? Venezuela has a high Catholic population.

posted on Dec, 22 2006 @ 07:47 AM

This world is going to hell in a hen basket....

Our lord must be rolling over somewhere high in the cosmos.

What can you say about something so ridiculous and propostrous.

posted on Dec, 22 2006 @ 08:04 AM
Hey DG.

What first came to my mind when I read this was that I'm surprised that Castro didn't come up with it before Chavez. They are such good buddies. Two whacked peas in a pod.

Anyways, I betchya he'll go through with it.

posted on Dec, 22 2006 @ 11:24 AM
England, Scotland and Ireland both have their own Churches..

but its interesting that Hugo Chavez has decided to do this.

Cult of personality anyone?

posted on Dec, 22 2006 @ 11:30 AM
This is a very Fox-ish story.
No sources quoted, lots of opinion by a very conservative commentator, and a nice big helping of rhetoric.

Odd that I can't find anything about this that doesn't directly reference back to the Fox story... Odd, but not surprising.

posted on Dec, 22 2006 @ 05:24 PM

Originally posted by BitRaiser
I can't find anything about this that doesn't directly reference back to the Fox story...

Catholic news wires are now starting to cover this. Considering that more than 95% of Venezuela is Catholic, it's going to be big news there. I found Spanish blogs that I THINK were talking about it, but my Spanish is very rusty so I'm not sure.

Also referenced was an article in El Mundo where Edgar Zambrano, a deputy of the Venezuelan National Assembly, discussed this with the paper. I don't speak spanish so I'm not able to check through the paper to find it.

DG .. if you are reading this ... is you feel like looking through El Mundo for this and posting it ....

[edit on 12/22/2006 by FlyersFan]

posted on Dec, 22 2006 @ 06:24 PM
From what I read in the Catholic News Agency article, it seams that the protestants want Hugo Chavez as their “elder bishop”, not that Hugo Chavez wants to become the head bishop of he's own church.

Also, I searched the El Mundo site and found only two articles with the name "Edgar Zambrano" in them, and none of those articles were about this story.

posted on Dec, 22 2006 @ 06:26 PM

Originally posted by ArMaP
the protestants want Hugo Chavez as their “elder bishop”, not that Hugo Chavez wants to become the head bishop of he's own church.


But they also want it a state sponsored church. Chavez to be the head of it. And they will answer to him.

I tried to find an english version of El Mundo but I can't. There is no way for me to dig through the spanish version. My spanish is too weak. I can't verify anything with it.

posted on Dec, 22 2006 @ 07:22 PM
This story came about when Fox news use an article from El mundo that claims Edgar Zambrano, a deputy of the Venezuelan National Assembly, told the Spanish newspaper that the recent increased activity between the protestants demanding laws to give them benefits under the government has to be the works of Chavez.

No where it said that Chavez himself is asking for such concessions to the Protestants.

The news where discussed in Fox with the help of another Chavez opponent Father Jonathan.

Now the truth about Chavez been behind this is still to be seen.

Because he has not say anything publicly yet.

Taking into consideration that Venezuela is majority Catholic . . . is hard to tell if Chavez will get alone with the protestants desires.

If Chavez is in reality the self centered pig that many claim him to be, the protestants bait to make him head of the church will look attractive to him.

But that will be something to see.

posted on Dec, 22 2006 @ 07:37 PM

The far reaching implications this will lead to within the Catholic Church back in Rome, shall be anything short of interesting.

The Catholic Church's population has a huge base within Central America, being it apparent the Catholic Church has picked up on the liberal left leaning PC thought process, central American's may very well decide to form their own churches, ones that represent them.

What Hugo is doing is nothing new, Martin Luther only broke from the Church because of his personal greivences (he wasn't important enough in his mind) with the Pope and Emporer of the Holy Roman Empire, thus starting the break offs of the Church, each leading to a more radical sect. Even the Angelican Church of England was simply one mans problem, all cases of personal gain and nothing to do with the actual religion. So in my mind Hugo is nothing new and spectacular, just the same greedy man as the rest of them.. however the Catholic Church, if it still has any balls left to speak of, will act quickly with a PR campaign to bring Hugo down... There was once a time when the Church could command respect, it would appear when low lifes like Hugo embaress the Church and it does nothing in kind, that it has all but failed.

posted on Dec, 23 2006 @ 07:16 AM
I found the original "El Mundo" (the Venezuelan, not the Spanish) article.

The first thing I noticed was the date, July 2001.

Here you can read an automatic translation made by Google, and here the original article.

posted on Dec, 23 2006 @ 07:18 AM

Originally posted by ArMaP
I found the original "El Mundo" (the Venezuelan, not the Spanish) article.

EXCELLENT work ArMap! You have definate conspiracy-busting potential! If I had any more applause for this month, you'd be getting it!

posted on Dec, 23 2006 @ 09:56 AM
SOA involvement in the bloody history of supporting brutal dictators in South America who privatize and sell off all the nations resources to a small number of foreign investors, evinces that it's not dictators the Western world opposses in South America, it's socialist dictators. Just look at Pinochet and his record of genocide.

Romero was murdered and Pope John Paul refused to recognize his sacrifice for fear of supporting 'communism'. There is a general feeling that the church has abandoned them to fascist exploitation.

Chavez has called himself a soldier of Christ for some time now. The queen of England is head of the Anglican church - off with the Catholic heads. Chavez is just extending the authority of his popularity into the spiritual realm the poor feel betrayed by. Should make for even more frantic fanaticism.

Probably was a simple economic way to appease the whole situation long ago. But fighting over a few scraps of meat on a rock spinning wildly through space is so much more attractive to brilliant monkeys -

What you do unto the least of these, you do unto Me.

posted on Dec, 23 2006 @ 10:10 AM
After reading the original article on the Spanish version, it seems that the Protestants are actually targeting the Catholic Church because it has too much power in the nation.

The where the ones that drafted a new proposed legislation to stop the religious preferences .

The main persons involved in the lobbying of the new legislation are the reverends Esmelin lugo and Renato Ramirez.

They claim that the evangelical churches of 17 have about 5 million followers and deserve recognition.

Now I find funny that they careless about the rest of the 90 percent of the Catholic population that are the main religious body of the country.

They ask for their religious views to be teach in schools, that is because the ones that are been accepted in the schools are Catholic taking into consideration that the Catholic Church are the ones that support most of the Public education in Countries like Venezuela y Mexico.

Also the Protestants want the same privileges that the Catholic Churches receive in the means of monetary help like the Catholic Church does from the government.

Because this involve Making the Venezuelan President the Major Church head is not seem as good for the Catholic Church that holds absolute power in the running of Religious Duties and services while been help by the government.

Mr. Zambrano and Dario Vivas think that this will be a slap on the face of the Catholic Church and the Venezuelan Catholic followers that are the majority.

Chavez was accused by Zambrano of been in favor of the protestants and to the proposed legislation .

While he see the proposed legislation as ending in a death end in parliament he feels that if Chavez accept the protestant proposition to become the head of the Church something that he will have to accept as president no because the protestants are giving that to him . . . then their Carta Magna that holds the roles of the Government will have to be amended.

But that will be difficult for Chavez to do because he is aware of the Venezuelan historical and traditional religious leans.

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