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posted on Dec, 21 2006 @ 11:13 PM
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Not sure if this is just me, but I can't get the google video to work. The format is not compatable with my viewers, does any one else have this issue and if not can they convert it, or some thing?
No matter, the below video does work, if you all want to watch a clip. The sample covers DU, they could have done better imo but it is a start.



What you don't know about your government could kill you... Department of Defense documents obtained through the Freedom of Information ... all » Act expose the horrific underworld of the disposable army mentality and the government funded experimentation upon US citizens conducted without their knowledge or consent.

*Video clip*
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Beyond Treason




posted on Dec, 21 2006 @ 11:23 PM
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While being a pretty dramatic video, and obviously interviewing RA and retired troops; I don't see a credible connection with the video and reality. I do not deny the fact that many Gulf War troops suffered/ suffer from mysterious ailments, but I also do not view that clip as a definitive consensus in regards to the situation.



posted on Dec, 22 2006 @ 12:14 AM
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It is only a couple of minutes sure, hardly enough to make a choice about the material. What caught my attention was on the home page. The mention of Radioactive Poisoning, such as the recent spy assassination incident, not to mention "Experimental Vaccines" which myself and others were involved in, when we received our Antrax immunizations.

Perhaps it isn't enough for you, but it might be enough for others, who knows.

Just wondering, but what would be a "credible connection with the video and reality", in your opinion?



posted on Dec, 22 2006 @ 05:21 AM
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Hey ADVISOR/

Why would anyone allow themselves to ''Experimental vaccines'' in the first place?
Unless of-course it is a life and death situation and there is no other choice, but to take what is offered to you and hope for the best.
After all, if it is not those in power we should trust in, then who is there???

I guess you could say that being part of a community or some part of group (and we all are) and knowing at some point that things like this will arise, leaves one no other choice, but to trust those that can give you the help you need!

Or
does one have a choice in the matter concerned, and allow themselves to be controlled by their surroundings?
I guess 'fear' has been installed into peoples heads and this has allowed their true judgement to be vague on who to turn to for the Truth.
I guess basically, comes down to ones initial judgement or having that gut feeling of what is or may be .

I guess if one has no 'Knowledge or Consent'' on the matter, then what does one do?
Who does one trust?
As one member said..........
Quote/''If you can't trust your Government,
Then who can you trust''?

ADVISOR/
Sorry, but I could not view the video clip ........an ongoing problem I'm having with my PC.

helen



posted on Dec, 22 2006 @ 08:11 AM
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Well I have made quite a few threads concering Depleted Uranium and what harm can it do to the soldiers, who use it as an ammunition - and ofcourse to the enviroment, they drop that ammunition in and to the civilians who actually Live in that area. From Gulf War I, to Yugoslavia, Afganistan and today Iraq.

But everytime I opened this topic, a bunch of so-called debunkers emerged and started to tell me and everybody else how DU is all-GOOD and Fantastic and Marvelous and not harmfull and does not have ANY side effects - radiation? What Radiation?

Thank You for posting this mister ADVISOR.

You have caught me completly by surprise by posting this.

Much respect.

And Good Morning.

[edit on 22/12/06 by Souljah]



posted on Dec, 22 2006 @ 09:33 AM
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Originally posted by ADVISOR

Just wondering, but what would be a "credible connection with the video and reality", in your opinion?


That's always my biggest problem on this site, unless I have direct and personal experience with the subject I am generally an extremely tough sell on any topic. That is not to say I am in any way denying the facts of it, just that it takes a bit more for me to acquiesce to the truth than some others.

Gulf War Illness, is an mysterious subject that I would like to see a serious private sector study about. I guess a connection to me would include, interviews with Officers in the Medical Corps and other related MOS', as well as civilian doctors, pharmaceutical technicians, free of any relation to Government grants and the like.



posted on Dec, 27 2006 @ 05:23 PM
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Depleted Uranium in its solid form isn't hazardous per se. After a DU round has been fired at something and it has broken up into small residue that can be inhaled, that's when it's a problem. It's the DU dust that reeks havoc, once it get internal. It's kind of like asbestos- if you don't inhale asbestos, it's not gonna cause cancer.



posted on Dec, 27 2006 @ 08:13 PM
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Baphomet and others,

I did some reading a couple of years ago on Gulf War Syndrome. I do not know if the sites are reputable but it is all just food for thought. There is so much on this subject out there.


Here are some links if you would like to have a look



www.all-natural.com...

www.ccnr.org...

mediafilter.org...

www.vialls.com...

www.afn.org...



In Peace Always



posted on Dec, 27 2006 @ 08:37 PM
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Originally posted by Baphomet79
That's always my biggest problem on this site, unless I have direct and personal experience with the subject I am generally an extremely tough sell on any topic. That is not to say I am in any way denying the facts of it, just that it takes a bit more for me to acquiesce to the truth than some others.

Gulf War Illness, is an mysterious subject that I would like to see a serious private sector study about. I guess a connection to me would include, interviews with Officers in the Medical Corps and other related MOS', as well as civilian doctors, pharmaceutical technicians, free of any relation to Government grants and the like.


And how, specifically, do you suggest the private sector go about doing this investigation? Any suggestions? Those who are sick do not have the energy or resources and it is up to the rest of us to hold our government accountable. Do you think Officers in the Medical Corps would feel free to divulge their honest opinion? I don't.



A friend of mine is suffering immensely right now - after making the military his career and serving his country quite honorably.

After doing quite a bit of research on government and/or military sponsored 'projects' - I don't doubt for a second that this video depicts the facts.

Always,
Shawnna




[edit on 27-12-2006 by Shawnna]



posted on Dec, 27 2006 @ 08:58 PM
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Inadvertant exposure to chem/bio weapons residue could account for strange symptoms too, as many weapons bunkers, etc... were blown, without knowing the exact contents of what was in them, so it's highly conceivable that some of these disorders are as a result of this. I'm sure breathing the fumes from the burning oil fires didn't help one's health either.



posted on Dec, 27 2006 @ 09:07 PM
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GT1000...you make a very valid point about the inhalation of fumes and smoke



In Peace Always



posted on Dec, 27 2006 @ 09:32 PM
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My husband was in the first gulf war and he can testified to the variety of pills and injections he received during his time in the middle east.

All he was told was . . . that they were to save his life in case of a biological attack.

And yes they gave him side effects and that's when he stop taking them and lied that he did.

he also was given a mask, a kit with injections to administer himself in case of an emergency and all he had to know was that they were to keep him alive in case of contamination but no guarantees were given.

Yes he sign a consent but that consent did not explained what he was given.

Funny, just because it didn't happen to you it doesn't mean it didn't happen to others.

He also have an entry in his records in relation to the gulf war syndrome and after retirement from the marines he was receiving information about the claims made of such syndrome but the last letter he got, the government was very polite cleaning its hand on the matter and making a point that they didn't found any links of the gulf war syndrome and the illnesses that Soldiers from the first gulf war were having.

Don't you love how our government get to do things and get away with it?



posted on Dec, 27 2006 @ 09:33 PM
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I am a Gulf War one vet, USN 89-95, served 8 months in support of Desert Shield and Desert Storm on the USS Saratoga attached to VAQ 132.

I came no where near uranium amo. But I have many of the GW illness symptoms, including Osteoporosis which to me is the smoking gun for the vaccines we received being the cause of Gulf War Illness.

See this story...

news.bbc.co.uk...

Mine is similar, except I was deployed, but not anywhere there would be depleted uranium around. Not saying that DU isn't making ppl sick, but that it does point to vaccines being a big part of the problem, and the main cause of so called Gulf War Illness for a lot of us.

My docs can find NO REASON for me to have osteo. For one it's normally a womans disease that comes after menopause due to lack of calcium.
I am male and was 41 when diagnosed, meaning I had for many yrs before then. My calcium levels are normal, my vitamin D levels are normal. Which is NOT normal for someone with osteo. So what is causing it? And why are so many gulf vets being diagnosed with it?


The report also highlighted a "high incidence" of osteoporosis in Gulf war veterans and that the "common denominator that links him to GW vets are the vaccinations he received prior to deployment".


Also ask any Gulf War vet where their shot records or medical records are, like me most will tell you they are missing. Either the shot records or, like me, both are missing. I've tried numerous times to get mine but according to the Navy they are gone. Hmmmmm, I wonder why?
For those who do have their records, guess what? The vaccines are not in their records. I've talked to lots of GW vets who know and remember receiving shots, and boosters, that were not marked in their record.

Too many coincidences for there not to be a link with the vaccines.



posted on Dec, 27 2006 @ 09:51 PM
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Also ask any Gulf War vet where their shot records or medical records are, like me most will tell you they are missing.


My husband was in the gulf 18 months.



Either the shot records or, like me, both are missing. I've tried numerous times to get mine but according to the Navy they are gone. Hmmmmm, I wonder why?


My husband always made sure that he carried his medical records with him, but some reason you are right is not vaccines records in it.

The last time he saw them it was when he have to turn them over in his last duty station and he never got them back after retirement.

They are now on electronic database and still have the entry about the gulf war syndrome and as been a vet of that war, but no vaccination records.



Too many coincidences for there not to be a link with the vaccines.


One of the things that he doesn't miss is the yearly array vaccinations that were standard but during the gulf war he received more of the vaccines and was given pills while in the middle east.

He said that some of the side effects were no very pleasant, and he stop taking the pills.

So far he is doing fine and no illnesses to talk about but some borderline cholesterol.

But as everything when it comes to experimental drugs they affect each individual different and some side effects will not reflect until much later in life.



posted on Dec, 27 2006 @ 09:55 PM
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It's not just Gulf War Vets who have missing med records. I've never been over seas "yet", and my records vanished in 02. Right along with some other information. My best guess is that those records are some where above most peoples clearances, or destroyed. I'm going to bet on destroyed, just because it would be easier and leave no paper trail.

Marg
Thought you would be interested, under lined text my highlighting. Mostly bs, but they address the issue;


Following the return of American military men and women deployed to Southwest Asia during Operations Desert Shield/Desert Storm, illnesses were reported that may have been related to service in the Gulf War. Military medical records from this deployment have not been able to provide substantial support in the search for causes of, and contributing factors to, these illnesses among Gulf War veterans.

This paper examines military medical recordkeeping policies and practices during and after the Gulf War, as well as initiatives for the future. It addresses medical recordkeeping issues within three broad categories: content of the record, consolidation of the record, and custody of the record. The paper focuses on medical recordkeeping policy, practice, and plans; it does not directly address locating any records now thought to be missing.

Military Medical Recordkeeping During and After the Gulf War


See "| First Page" at bottom left side, for previous info on report.

[edit on 27-12-2006 by ADVISOR]



posted on Dec, 27 2006 @ 10:14 PM
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To whom it concerns;



DEPLETED URANIUM ALERT!
Full report with Docs audios & videos
APFN


Not so DU related;


CIA Report on Intelligence Related to Gulf War Illnesses
The CIA's effort did not seek to duplicate that of DOD; however, CIA analysts drew upon and examined DOD information to clarify intelligence, to obtain leads, and to ensure a thorough and comprehensive intelligence assessment.

UNCLASSIFIED


More CIA related info, bolded text to highlight;


TO FACILITATE ELECTRONIC ACCESS, THIS DOCUMENT HAS BEEN
REFORMATTED TO ELIMINATE INFORMATION THAT DOES NOT PERTAIN
TO GULF WAR ILLNESS ISSUES OR THAT IS CLASSIFIED.
Not Finally Evaluated Intelligence




[edit on 27-12-2006 by ADVISOR]



posted on Dec, 28 2006 @ 01:04 AM
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Originally posted by Shawnna

Originally posted by Baphomet79
That's always my biggest problem on this site, unless I have direct and personal experience with the subject I am generally an extremely tough sell on any topic. That is not to say I am in any way denying the facts of it, just that it takes a bit more for me to acquiesce to the truth than some others.

Gulf War Illness, is an mysterious subject that I would like to see a serious private sector study about. I guess a connection to me would include, interviews with Officers in the Medical Corps and other related MOS', as well as civilian doctors, pharmaceutical technicians, free of any relation to Government grants and the like.


And how, specifically, do you suggest the private sector go about doing this investigation? Any suggestions? Those who are sick do not have the energy or resources and it is up to the rest of us to hold our government accountable. Do you think Officers in the Medical Corps would feel free to divulge their honest opinion? I don't.



A friend of mine is suffering immensely right now - after making the military his career and serving his country quite honorably.

After doing quite a bit of research on government and/or military sponsored 'projects' - I don't doubt for a second that this video depicts the facts.

Always,
Shawnna




[edit on 27-12-2006 by Shawnna]


No no, I am absolutely not denying the ailments of the servicemen/ women of Gulf War I. I was turned down for OCS once and am in the process of reapplying to be a Commissioned Officer.

My whole point was whether Gulf War Syndrome is only attributable to depleted uranium rounds or someting more exotic.



posted on Dec, 28 2006 @ 01:56 AM
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Originally posted by Baphomet79
My whole point was whether Gulf War Syndrome is only attributable to depleted uranium rounds or someting more exotic.


It is, the 'something more exotic' was Anthrax and Botulinum vaccines.

Marg...Glad to hear your husband is not sick. You are right the side effects are different for each person but there is a pattern. Fatigue, muscle/joint pain, headaches, depression and anxiety, memory problems, irritable bowel syndrome etc...
Then there are those people getting more serious health problems such as the osteo and worse yet Lou Garrick's. Some ppl think it's autoimmune, our own immune system is attacking our bodies, and in some it's the bones in others their muscles.
It seems to me most ppl started getting physical symptoms about 10 yrs after the war, mental problems started earlier. Those that got physical problems almost right away I believe are the ones affected by DU, or other chemicals. Probably as well as the vaccines.

Advisor...You could be right about the stuff being hidden away rather than 'disappeared'. I never was told why they didn't have them and afaik no once else was either. The only time the VA has admitted I have GW illness was when I was called in to do a 2 day study, physical, 2 MRI's, cognitive tests etc. Well they called me back again a year later and off the record the guy running it told me they called me back because I had symptoms of GWI, but the VA couldn't use it for diagnosis because it was research. How convenient for the VA.
I've always wondered how they new to call me the first time, are we being used as a longterm study of the effects of these vaccines?

Check out this forum (I hope this is OK) and read some of the vets stories...
www.gulfwarvets.com...

And for anyone who thinks GW illness is BS I dare you to post on that site and say that!

[edit on 28/12/2006 by ANOK]



posted on Dec, 28 2006 @ 05:48 AM
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This is a staff report prepared for the committee on veterans affairs...


III. FINDINGS AND CONCLUSIONS

A. FOR AT LEAST 50 YEARS, DOD HAS KNOWINGLY EXPOSED MILITARY PERSONNEL TO POTENTIALLY DANGEROUS SUBSTANCES, OFTEN IN SECRET.
The U.S. General Accounting Office issued a report on September 28, 1994, which stated that between 1940 and 1974, DOD and other national security agencies studied hundreds of thousands of human subjects in tests and experiments involving hazardous substances......


A long but eye opening read...

mindcontrolforums.com...

Edit: Forgot link.

[edit on 28/12/2006 by ANOK]



posted on Dec, 28 2006 @ 03:52 PM
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Thanks advisor for the information.

My husband was told by VA that the records can be accessed by the VA and they are kept in an electronic database.

Occurs my husband has never ask the VA to give him a copy and I wonder what will happen if he did.

Also even when he can use the VA we have tricare and since he retired he has not been on the VA we used the doctors on the plan.

We do not get anymore the letters that the government was sending to gulf war vets about the gulf war syndrome since they came to the conclusion that the link was not clear.







 
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