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posted on Dec, 21 2006 @ 06:46 PM
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This may sound stupid but im confused on this whole, Muslims = Terroism stuff. I believe that 9/11 was an inside job, along with 7/7 and others but that leaves me thinking, are muslims really terroists? have they really done anything or just threated too? please help me out all you can.




posted on Dec, 21 2006 @ 06:54 PM
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I think already pissed off muslims are provoked into insurgency, and used as scapegoats for orchestrated attacks, false flag operations which are immense psyops are used to rally the sheeple behind weapons and no-bid contracts by the reptilain shapershifters from another dimension who own the companies and dictate the wolfowitz world domination doctrine, that and poor brown people are easy targets.



posted on Dec, 21 2006 @ 06:57 PM
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It's those who claim to be Muslim, but are actually exteamists, waving a false flag. It is those, who are the terrorists, not the average Muslim, but a fake demented coward.

Real Muslims are forbidden to attack a place of worship known as a Mosque, yet terrorists have blown them up. It is forbidden to harm an innocent, yet terrorists have done so, these are not real muslims who kill, but deceivers, liars and followers of Shaitan/Satan.

They have become the unbeleiver, and are not Muslims, they are not servants of a merciful God, but blind and know not the way.



Three strange things in the world: loving war more than peace, loving excess more than sufficiency, and loving falsehood more than truth

Man is three things; Who we think we are, who others think we are, and who we really are.



posted on Dec, 21 2006 @ 07:11 PM
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Originally posted by raveneffect200
I believe that 9/11 was an inside job, along with 7/7 and others but that leaves me thinking, are muslims really terroists? have they really done anything or just threated too? please help me out all you can.


Maybe this thread can help:

www.abovetopsecret.com...



posted on Dec, 21 2006 @ 07:54 PM
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thanks alot, your post helped me.



posted on Dec, 21 2006 @ 10:23 PM
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Originally posted by ADVISOR
It's those who claim to be Muslim, but are actually exteamists, waving a false flag. It is those, who are the terrorists, not the average Muslim, but a fake demented coward.

Real Muslims are forbidden to attack a place of worship known as a Mosque, yet terrorists have blown them up. It is forbidden to harm an innocent, yet terrorists have done so, these are not real muslims who kill, but deceivers, liars and followers of Shaitan/Satan.

They have become the unbeleiver, and are not Muslims, they are not servants of a merciful God, but blind and know not the way.





With all due respect what you just wrote serves no purpose but to falsely apologise and wrongly seperate these people from what caused there Fascism, your opinion is quite obviously from a Educated Westerner not from an Uneducated Islamofascist.

You need to refrase it, these Terrorists ARE Muslims in THERE minds, but there is no place for them in Heaven, no Virgins, no party, they get to meet there maker Satan in the depths of hell is all they get.

Its convienient isnt it, being able to at the strike of a Key, disenfranchise someone from your faith because of there actions, in the Islamofascists Heart and mind he is doing what Allah is asking of him ( Obviously Wrongly So).

If you take the time to Dismiss these people as NoN-Muslims and the followers of Satan, why dont you just take the time to dismiss them as NoN Human ?

Tell me if a Catholic Preist mollested a Child is he not a Catholic priest ? Is an American Soldier who beats a hostage to death no longer an American Soldier? Is a Jew who Robs a bank no longer a Jew ?, you see what im getting at dont you, its easy to Throw out your trash and the deny it was yours.

May Peace Be With You.



posted on Dec, 21 2006 @ 10:32 PM
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Originally posted by NumberCruncher
If you take the time to Dismiss these people as NoN-Muslims and the followers of Satan, why dont you just take the time to dismiss them as NoN Human ?

Tell me if a Catholic Preist mollested a Child is he not a Catholic priest ? Is an American Soldier who beats a hostage to death no longer an American Soldier? Is a Jew who Robs a bank no longer a Jew ?, you see what im getting at dont you, its easy to Throw out your trash and the deny it was yours.

May Peace Be With You.


No they are monsters, a molester, a murderer about to be court martialed and a unrespectable thief. No, I don't see what your getting at, but that is not important.

Of course I posted my opinion, excuse me for doing so. Next time I decide to post again, I'll be sure to check in with you before hand for approval...

Shalom to you as well, inshah Allah.



posted on Dec, 21 2006 @ 11:10 PM
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Originally posted by ADVISOR

Of course I posted my opinion, excuse me for doing so. Next time I decide to post again, I'll be sure to check in with you before hand for approval...




Sorry that this statement i made confused you, I did not question your right to post your opinion, i was merely trying to show you that your very different to the people you claim simply cannot be Muslims.



No they are monsters, a molester, a murderer about to be court martialed and a unrespectable thief. No, I don't see what your getting at, but that is not important.


Thats Interesting .... I assume you to be an expert on Islam by the way you talk ?

What do you say about the thousands of people in prison in the USA (as an example) that have been converted to Islam, surely using your measuring stick they must be false Muslims ?

How about a young man in Jail for robbery (as an example) who decides to become a born again Christian, is he also not a Christian but just a "unrespectable thief" ?

All i see you doing here is you adapting your religion to suit the discussion at hand just as i see Muslims do all the time.

Which brings me to my point .....

Most Muslims are NOT Terrorists.

Virtually ALL Terrorists claim to be Muslims.

Cheers.



posted on Dec, 21 2006 @ 11:53 PM
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Originally posted by NumberCruncher
Virtually ALL Terrorists claim to be Muslims.

I'm curious about the proof you might have to support that claim.

Via the Patriot Act's definition of "Terrorist" more than half of BC can be classified as terrorists simply because they enjoy (or have enjoyed) recreational herbal intoxication. There really aren't that many Muslims here.
BTW, Muslims tend to be very devote about not tainting their bodies and don't imbibe such "terrorist supporting" narcotics as marijuana.

If your statement was referring specifically to those who commit violent acts of terrorism, I would still doubt that you can safely make the claim that "Virtually ALL Terrorists" are Muslims. Here, check out this list from the Wikipedia:
Terrorist Organization List
Yup, there's a whole section on Islamic Terrorist Organizations... but you'll notice that it is greatly overshadowed by the other organizations. Secular Nationalistic Terrorists make up the vast majority of active organizations by both the number of groups and the suspected number of members.

So... once again, I would really like to see some evidence that supports your claim.



posted on Dec, 22 2006 @ 12:33 AM
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As our resident Muslim expert " ADVISOR " has pointed out, as soon as a Muslim commits a violent act like Terrorism or any host of crimes like theft or rape, they automatically are no longer Muslims.

So it would now be fair to say that No Terrorism or crime is perpetrated by muslims!

That saves me alot of time of having to give you the Long answer bitraiser !



posted on Dec, 22 2006 @ 05:57 AM
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You know, I just get so depressed by the amount of bigotry and bile spewed on ATS by a very few people. UM_Gazz, Advisor, your posts embody the term "moderator" and I thank you for them. Gazz, your linked thread kicked off so well, yet attracted the same old crowd with the same old rabid frothing. Hang in there, guys, deny ignorance for all you're worth. If I could, I'd vote you both way above.



posted on Dec, 22 2006 @ 06:03 AM
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Originally posted by rich23
You know, I just get so depressed by the amount of bigotry and bile spewed on ATS by a very few people.


Now you know what it feels like to be a White Guy in the 21st centuary hey ?


Seriously now, if the Apologists, Denyers and broadly the Islamic community could just own up that Violence and Extremism eminates disproportionatly from within there ranks, we could probably get some where.

But seen as that seems to never be forthcoming we will get to play the same tune well into the night !!

Peace



posted on Dec, 22 2006 @ 07:20 AM
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Originally posted by NumberCruncher
As our resident Muslim expert " ADVISOR " has pointed out, as soon as a Muslim commits a violent act like Terrorism or any host of crimes like theft or rape, they automatically are no longer Muslims.

So it would now be fair to say that No Terrorism or crime is perpetrated by muslims!

That saves me alot of time of having to give you the Long answer bitraiser !



What cop out.

Advisor made a perfectly understandable and rational comment. No man that holds his faith up as an excuse for being a monster is actually faithful. I rest assured that the current crop of abusive extremists of all faiths will burn in their own hells right along with the bastards responsible for the Inquisitions.

Is that hard to understand?

Now, again, let's return to your spouting of BS. You made a comment stating that the majority of terrorists are Islamic/Muslim. That is WRONG and provably so.

NC, I'm really starting to believe that you have no interest at all in rational discussion on these boards. You do no great service to your side of the argument by continuing to over-generalize and making false statements.

The only thing you are proving is that the stereo-type of Bad/hate-mongering/Ignorant American that so many people object to... including most Americans.

I'm glad you've stepped into this thread and shown the original poster exactly how not to think.



posted on Dec, 22 2006 @ 09:19 AM
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Some muslims know they are working for the CIA, those at the top. Bin Laden being a very useful ally of the CIA. However there are certainly other muslims working for Al Qaeda who don't realise that the organisation is really working for the CIA, so that they can wage their bogus "war on terror". And out of all the wars in Iraq and Afganistan there will certainly be more muslims who will join Al Qaeda, believeing that they really are fighting against the americans.
The London bombings is a different case, the mastermind of the London bombings, Haroon Aswat works for MI6. However some working under him most likely don't realise he is an MI6 asset. There is also a strong possibility and some evidence that those patsies who were set-up as the London bombers who died that day were actually lead to believe they were assisting the police to assess the security of the London Underground. It seems more than likely that the rucksacks they were carrying were in fact empty. And it is for sure that the bombs that detonated that day were under the trains, set off by a power surge, they weren't in any rucksack.

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posted on Dec, 22 2006 @ 10:26 AM
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if people want to learn more about muslims please visit this link


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posted on Dec, 22 2006 @ 04:41 PM
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Hey, woah, some of you sound like you are referring to all muslims as terrorists. What the hell is with that? I thought the whole point to ATS is to deny ignorance, not attempt to spread it.

No, most muslims are not terrorists, just as most terrorists througout history have not been muslim. Look at the IRA, the Palistinians attacking the olympics way back, heck, terrorism has been going on for about as long as war has existed.

It's the media in the States that is numbing your mind into making an immediate connection between Muslims and Terrorists. It's plain ignorance.

Terrorism is a term used to describe violence or other harmful acts committed (or threatened) against civilians by groups or persons for political, nationalist, or religious goals. The only organizations who can be excluded from this definition are those who are labelled as a Nation.

This essentially labels anyone who happens to kill civilians during a revolt agains a country as a terrorist. Basically, alot of americans during the civil war were terrorists. Were they muslims? Hell no.

Please people, Muslims are just another religion. At the moment they happen to be the ones who feel they have been pushed too far. The Christians are just as guilty for what they did during the crusades.
If you ask me, all religion needs to be done away with. I don't care how many charity drives you perform, your religion has killed alot more people than it's saved.



posted on Dec, 22 2006 @ 04:51 PM
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Here, if you want a good history of recorded terrorist activities, read through this page

Wikipedia : List of terrorist incidents

It starts WAY back, and you'll be suprised how many were performed by americans.



posted on Dec, 22 2006 @ 06:28 PM
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Originally posted by NumberCruncher

Tell me if a Catholic Preist mollested a Child is he not a Catholic priest ? Is an American Soldier who beats a hostage to death no longer an American Soldier? Is a Jew who Robs a bank no longer a Jew ?, you see what im getting at dont you, its easy to Throw out your trash and the deny it was yours.

May Peace Be With You.


I can tell you without a doubt and unequivocally NO, he is no longer a priest once he breaks his vows. While he may appear to be one in looks and in his fake actions he is not a priest in Gods eyes or in the Churches eyes. This is a person who lied to God, lied to the Church, and betrayed those who would put their faith and trust in him and as well took advantage of those people he was charged to lead.

You are one of the worst people to be attempting to explain anything about the current situation to anyone. You are a xenophobe and shouldn't be attempting to correct anyone about their interpretations, especially the mods here. You fear little Children named Mohammed and you want to explain and instill your fear into into an answer that might possibly is being asked by a child on the internet?



posted on Dec, 22 2006 @ 06:57 PM
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Originally posted by ThePieMaN

You fear little Children named Mohammed and you want .......



Wrong ~~!

It is you who Fears, You fear people like me who refuse to Submit, you fear people like me who are prepared to resist .......

People like you are not prepared to resist and are eager to submit.

People like you hate others who do not want to submit and are prepared to fight.





The Gods only help those who help Themselves.



posted on Dec, 22 2006 @ 07:00 PM
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Hey guys, woah. ATS is not the place for a personal war, you want to do that, go chat on IRC or something, not here. I like this place, wouldnt want it to end up like that.


... by the way, isnt saying "god only helps those who helps themselves" rather convenient? I mean, if you've helped yourself... then you've helped yourself. What has god got to do with that?



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