I'm on the same side as Bush's military advisors: War with Iraq is a stupid idea.

We have no backing (or lukewarm backing), we don't have massive troop strength, and we're slightly overextended now. We've got troops keeping the peace in a very touchy situation in Korea (my brother is an Army officer stationed at the Demilitarized Zone -- along with his family), troops patroling the Gulf of Arabia (my son in the Navy is there), troops in Bosnia, and a number of other locations.

As for the justification -- heck, if we're using that one, why aren't we nuking Great Britain? France (sorry, UP!)? or any of the other nations with nuclear power and capability? Do we remove governments because we don't like something about them?

That's not being a peacekeepr -- it's being a bully.

Originally posted by Thomas Crowne
I-NWO, you've proved that you can paste a list of Jews from an anti-Israeli site and that you know nothing of the history of that area. To say that the Jews never owned it and that the Palestinians owned itis incorrect.

Are you saying these people do not exist???? Are you saying they are ghosts??? Do you not know the people working for your own government Thomas??

Why is it that people confronted with the truth allways try to deny this eventhough deep down they know the other guy is right?

Wake up and smell the roses Thomas, Bush and his government is 95% jewish, you have this list of people and then eeeurm maybe also the fact that Sharon has Bush in a nutcracker. Look at where US money is going each year, 3 billion dollars a year for Israel. Look at all whats happening, Israel in immediate defiance of 84 resolutions and to them US turns a blind eye, now look at Iraq with its petty 18 resolutions defied???

Now I wonder why this is, could it perhaps be the fact that 95% of the Bush government is jewish, naaaaah that couldn't be it..... or could it??

*sigh* How much longer must I suffer this?

Once again, and I'm typing slowly here, there is a difference between nations of law (Great Britain, France (sorry, U.P.), and the U.S.) and nations of despots, dictators and tyrants (IRAQ!).
Hussein has displayed a propensity for using anything he has, has attacked his own civilians with it and used the Hell out of it against Iran ("it" being chemicals, sorry), showed total contempt for civilian life in Kuwait, and will attack Israel just to muddy the waters.

I understand and feel for you, Byrd, and I have friends and family in the service and in places where harm may reach them. This past weekend, a friend and his wife and 2 year old daughter came up for a visit. "Enson Pulver" as I like to call him, is shipping out come December to the Kittyhawk, and you know where she is.

Since Hussein should have been smacked years ago for not complying with the resolutions that ceased hostility against his sorry butt a decade ago, I wouldn't say it is bullyism. Since he supports terrorism both financially and with training, and since he absolutely hates us (go figure) and would love to hurt us as painfully as possible, it seems to me that it'd be fool-hardy to allow him to continue toward nuclear capability, and striking at a part of the terror network (which he is) is in line with the war on terror.

Id still like to see other terror supporters whacked first, but maybe this guy is more threatening in the immediate future, than, say, DamascaByrd, do you feel Hussein is not a threat to us? Why not? What do you think would be a better course of action?

I see you didn't take the time to take me up on my issues.

Bush and his jewish government,

Israel defied 84 resolutions dating back to '67
Iraq defied 18 resolutions dating back to '82

And who is training terrorists??? Us trains more terrorists then Saddam ever has.

But you clearly have your head tucked between your buttcheeks Thomas.

NWO, I laugh at you. You are acting like the U.S.A. are the terrorists. You are saying we are like the Taliban. It seems that u are saying that we would have been better off with that bum Gore.

Byrd I do feel sorry for u that u have familt members in overseas. But why are you, NWO , and some others think that Saddam is a good guy?

[Edited on 16-11-2002 by JediMaster]

[QUOTE]Great spirits have always found violent opposition from mediocre minds. The latter cannot understand it when a man does not thoughtlessly submit to hereditary prejudices but honestly and courageously uses his intelligence.
- Albert Einstein[/QUOTE]

And what you are missing is that all government officials are evil and are only interested in filling their pockets, democrats, liberals and republicans they are all the same.

If u mhate America so much then y do'nt u get the hell out. Leave the greatest nstion on Earth. Go live in a third-world country. It seems to be u are a traitor to America. You disgust me NWO.

You may be disgusted by what I say but you'd better be disgusted by your own government, they are spreading these feelings.

Where am I incorrect in what I say??? And who said I should move to a third world country while I can enjoy more liberties in Europe, have more vacation, more pay and less taxes, 100 times better healthcare and ooh a much better education for my kids.

America is no longer the greatest nation on the planet, it is however the greatest nation of warfare. America is turning into a territorial/dictatorial regime.

Originally posted by Illuminati-NWO
[QUOTE]Great spirits have always found violent opposition from mediocre minds. The latter cannot understand it when a man does not thoughtlessly submit to hereditary prejudices but honestly and courageously uses his intelligence.
- Albert Einstein[/QUOTE]

And what you are missing is that all government officials are evil and are only interested in filling their pockets, democrats, liberals and republicans they are all the same.

Wow! That is one totally inclusive statement, wouldn't you think?

You can't think of at least 2 politicians that actually seem to be concerned with the nation? I don't mean of any particular ideology or party, they don't even have to agree with your opinions, but isn't there at least 2 that you'd say seem genuine?

What u r saying NWO, is a bunch of bullsh*t. Show how diplomacy can slove this matter of a war. Show me!

The day America goes to a dictatorship, is the day the KKK loves blacks.

I'm not saying there aren't honest and true politicians out there, there are, its just that their voices get supressed, they even get threatened and are submitted to maintain the status quo!!!
Whatever Bush says is law and lo and behold if anyone ever dares to go against anything he says, for he is the supreme leader and we must follow him. Even if we invoke the anger of 90% of the European people and 95% of the Arab world.

What US is doing now is wrong, they have even made up a draft that justifies attacking any country it sees fit??

Us is the only democratic country in the world that won't accept the Kyoto agreement, Anti-Ballistic Missile treaty, the International Criminal Court, and the nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty. Bush didn't have have the nerve to attend the Climate summit last august. Yes you got it, the worlds greatest polluter "America"! This is also another example of how the US only follows its own interests and doesn't seem to care about the world we are leaving behind for future generations.

If all of this doesn't show in full glory that the United States doesn't give a damn about other countries besides their own interests then I don't know what will!

Iraq as all of you might well know attacked Iran in the 80's. Nowadays we hear the US government and western nations claim to this fact numerous times and how he invaded Kuwait, gassed the Kurds,...
When Iraq was fighting Iran nobody cared and nobody intervened. The US couldn't care less because both countries the US deemed as the greatest threat were at war with eachother. So no foul for the US on this.

When Iraq seemed like he was loosing the battle the US intervened by supplying Iraq with secret satellite images of Iranian troop movements and maps of the area in which Iran had stationed military equipment and the likes. The US didn't want Iran to get the upper hand. They made a deal with Iraq to help them. In these days relations between the US and Iraq were quite different as they are today. Iraq therefore trusted the US.
What happened after this is the US in action. The US after helping Saddam signed a secret deal with the Iranian government and secretly delivered weapons to them.
Later Iraq found out about this and how the US stabbed him in the back. Later Saddam swore never to trust the US again and he never did.
Yet in 1990 Saddam made the same mistake he did like in the 80's, he had his ministers inquire wether the US would mind ( read - responded with an attack ) if he invaded Kuwait. Saddam was made to believe that the US would not intervene. Big mistake and the Gulf war started in 1991.
So what I mean to say is how do we judge who is good or bad in this world. Knowing these things which are well documented and are truths how do we determine who is Good and who is Bad?
Many countries have had wars yet the Western world seems to always come first and its wars are wars for peace and other nations wars are slaughter and the ravings of a mad man.

Now you can say that Saddam gassed the Kurds which is a very bad thing and killed over 5000 people on that day. The US bombed Hiroshima and Nagasaki and killed millions. Where do we draw the line? You could even say that Saddam is to blame for the killings of millions of children because it is because of him that these sanctions are in place. But you could just as easily roll this ball back into the western court. The western world know damn well that Saddam won't be the one mostly effected by these sanctions and that millions would die as a result of them.

If I have to be realistic about this then I would have to come to only one conclusion. All governments are EVIL and are only interested in expansion of their borders and the proliferation of weapons. And ofcourse to further their own dirty agenda's, which is a very nice way to put it since no other two words can define it better.

So all you know-it-alls, you just stick to your perverted views on the world and I will rise on top knowing that I can wipe my hands clean from all this mediaspouting garbage that you are all so gullibly swallowing like candy!!!

How many more clues must I feed you before you start to see the bigger picture here???

I often wonder, wouldn't clues have more room to fit in your heads if you got rid of some of the shiit in there?

We bombed Japan, so WWII could end.

Japan was allready losing bigtime mate, a nuclear bomb was not needed to end this war, US used it to show its supremacy!!!! And it immediately tells you what a #ed up bunch of people are at the head of the table.

But yeah you again immediately believe what your #ed up media tells you, yeah we dropped the bomb to help save lives:LOL:

Damn you'r starting to sound like a broken record.

Illuminati-NWO, you're starting to sound like a pissed-off little high schooler with a pony-tailed history teacher spouting revisionist pablum.

There is enough public record from the end days of WWII to show that Japan would never surrender, even when faced with certain defeat. Their goal was to kill as many allieds as possible in the inevitable invasion (every citizen was being armed in some way).

Or perhaps to you, history is irrelevant and your lame cry of "don't believe the media" is your excuse to ignore it.


As a general rule, it's best to respond only to topics in which you have a degree of knowledge.

Also NWO, most people knew that Japan would keep fighting untill they were all dead. They fight to the death. They would've never surrendered.

Picture yourself in the position of the US in those years, knowing you have the worlds first nuclear bomb, would you not use it no matter what?? And thats just what they did!!!

So go spouting all this bla bla bla of how Saddam gassed his own people, 10,000 deaths maybe 20,000 but then just put this in perspective and compare the millions of innocent lives lost in that nuclear explosion, look at how the US helped India to drive innocents from Cambodja back in the Kissinger years, another 100,000 and 100,000 deaths on US hands, look at Cuba and how they had their hands all over this dispute, look at how the US dropped for 400 billion dollars worth of bombs on Afghanistan knowing full well the terrorists were Arabs instead of Afghans. The list of US deaths rises and rises. Start looking in your own country first before you go blaiming someone else, it looks to me the only reason the US government doesn't comply to the world criminal court is because they would drag Bush, Kissinger, Clinton, and a whole bunch more for this world criminal court to be tried for war crimes!!!!

It's just remarkable how large a part ignorance plays in making a man satisfied with himself. Cause this is what happening in the US people are blinded to believe their government is good and you gallantly fall for the oldest trick in the book!!

Illuminati-NWO, you are a poor little tyrant and your anti-semitism is smelling !

Will have to go burn in Hell with MidnightDStroyer & Thomas Crowne.

Thats indeed where you are going, and all your other war loving friends!!!!

Do not do onto other what you yourself would not do onto yourself.

Let he who is without sin cast the first stone...

We all have sinned. I have, you have sinned. No one is perfect. But we can be redeemed. That is what u r missing.

My and your sins are incomparable to the skeletons in the US closet.

For the crimes they have committed even hell has no place for them!!!