posted on Dec, 13 2003 @ 05:53 PM
Originally posted by m0rbid
I think we need lies as well. I wouldn't want to be an open book, and there's time where I prefer not to know what a person think, else I'd
probably have to punch a lot of people in the face lol... (j/k)
WHAT?!?!? WE NEED LIES??? Did I miss a meeting or memo or something?? What was the motto of ATS again? Deny Ignorance or Propogate Ignorance??
Yikes!! No offense m0rbid, I totally respect your opinion if you indeed want to keep it, but I urge you to rethink your stance on this subject.
First of all lets remove Intentional Lies from Unintentional Lies. Unintentional Lies being the result of someone who is misinformed and is telling
what they think is True when in reality it's just that they have the wrong information. I'll be dealing with Intentional Lies for this post.
Let's start with THENEO's examples:
Hi, how are you today? I'm fine thanks....
Fine leaves a large and non-specific area and most likely isn't even a lie, but lets use this same idea in a more clear way. Let's say I'm dying
of a Flesh Eating Virus and presently suffering from Pain which is not yet overwhelming. I'm asked "How I am today?" I reply "Fantastic,
thanks!" Obviously Not True unless I'm saying Fantastic because compared to how I'll feel tomorrow or the next day, today in comparison would be
Fantastic. So if I am lying, what's the point? Why not say "I could be better" or "Well, I'm not dead yet" or even "Not too good, I'm being
eaten alive!" You can still speak the truth without leading into having a long conversation or totally spill the beans so why not atleast make it a
habit of speaking the truth?
Yes Johnny there is a santa claus!
Is it important to have kids believe in Santa Claus?? Eventually they find out the truth and sometimes it does cause problems. Many parents tell
their kids the Santa Lie and help support it for years knowing that it won't last. Worst case, this can develop into the child having Trust issues
dealing with their parents and if "Mom & Dad are just kidding or Lying then..." maybe there is no risk playing in traffic, or playing with matches
either!! If you tell your kids not to take candy from strangers you want them to know take you seriously right? Why not do the best thing and be
100% honest from the get go as doing so will be a good example to them and in the long run be more helpful than steering them toward belief in ideas
which are completely false.
No susie, mommy is going to get better...
Also not helpful if Mommy is NOT going to get better. If you aren't sure, why not say "We are doing everything we can for Mommy" or something like
similar? At some point Illness and Death will have to be discussed or realized. People seem to think hinding the Truth keeps kids safe when just the
opposite is true. Kids adapt faster and better than when they are older. Grown people for that matter adapt to things very slowly if at all.
I'm sure that Frank is going to heaven....
This is making things even more complicated. What is Heaven? How about Hell? Neither can be Proven True nor Proven UnTrue by People anyway as they
deal with Judgement from God. "Who's God" you ask..."Is He like that Santa Clause Guy??"
An intentional lie serves only to create misdirection and misunderstanding and will almost always eventually require the Truth to be known. Depending
on what has been done using the Lie will also have to be undone as well. The Truth is nothing to avoid or fear or hide because of the simple fact
that doing so Does Not Change the Truth. Something either IS or IS NOT. If people live life according to what IS(True), we are working with
Something and have Something as a Result. If we live according to what IS NOT then we work with NOTHING resulting in NOTHING regardless of how we try
and justify it. It's unwise to Build your House on Sand for it IS NOT stable ground. Building your house on NOTHING is even more unstable.