What if the NWO WAS good?

Now that we have dispensed with mere speculation here is how it really is:

The NWO is selfish, manipulative and blood sucking. Just like the OWO, and much of the rest of the world.

Chances are you are selfish, manipulative and a blood sucker too, at least part of the time. There are no saints on this earth at least not inhabiting a body anyways. You see you can't live in this realm and tend to the body and not be these nasty things I have mentioned. Anyone care to argue this with me?

So the better question is how good are they or how bad for that matter? Well since we people in the developed world are spoiled and wasteful and ungrateful then the NWO would reflect us. But we are also generally ambitious, hard-working, and progressive. See we are not all bad.

It is simple for me, am I gonna support a culture or language or country or currency or state that is foreign to me? The answer is simple, NO! I do not want to be a hypocrite nor a traitor. Besides how can I trust someone that is really different than me?

No it is best to accept what I have and agree to work to improve it. That makes a lot of sense and frankly it is all that any of us can do to make a better world.

Do not be deceived by those that automatically oppose what is and pretend to be GOOD, just because they oppose what is. Examples being the UN, Europe, Socialists, Democrats, Soros, Globalists, and anyone one else.

Most of those people are a pack of liars and they want to convince you that they are good and the present order is bad. They want to slide behind the wheel and 'drive for a while.' But we both know that they are no different than who and what they so expertly criticize all day long. In fact in numerous ways they may be worse.

I believe that in troubling times you need tough leadership and people that understand the value of a strong and united country. America and the Western Developed world need this, because although they have less powerful rivals than in the recent past, the future has never seemed more cloudy. Do not assume that everyone in this world can do the following:

A. agree on anything
B. learn to share
C. use resources wisely and profitably
D. respect each other
E. respect law and basic human rights
F. tell the truth
G. do their share
H. respect their promises
I. respect creation

Yes Yes I hear you now, you critics will cry that America has broken all those rules and many more, and they have. But most other countries do a worse job everyday and they do not have the burdens of the world on their shoulders too.

Originally posted by THENEO
Chances are you are selfish, manipulative and a blood sucker too, at least part of the time. There are no saints on this earth at least not inhabiting a body anyways. You see you can't live in this realm and tend to the body and not be these nasty things I have mentioned. Anyone care to argue this with me?

I'm not selfish, manipulative or blood sucking Neo. So your statement is wrong, just as you and your thoughts.

You're hanging out with the wrong crowd, son.

When most of the people in the world have little or no shelter, go to bed hungry and have to slave almost every waking hour to make ends meet, then you are what I said you are.

Originally posted by THENEO
When most of the people in the world have little or no shelter, go to bed hungry and have to slave almost every waking hour to make ends meet, then you are what I said you are.

That would be the rich man's fault Neo, not the average man's. It's due to capitalism that so many suffer.

People with a greed for money don't tend to want to be fair or share. Deal with it.

Really?

Annother joyfull socialist on a website full of them.

Well tell me this, what is stopping you from sending every extra dollar that you have to those less fortunate than yourself?

Do not be offended because I am not judging you, I do not give everything thing I have away either but then again I know that I am selfish and I freely admit it.

Originally posted by THENEO
Really?

Annother joyfull socialist on a website full of them.

Well tell me this, what is stopping you from sending every extra dollar that you have to those less fortunate than yourself?

Do not be offended because I am not judging you, I do not give everything thing I have away either but then again I know that I am selfish and I freely admit it.

Well I'll tell you Neo, although what you've said was an assumption.

I don't even have enough money to take care of myself on my own. I do live in California, so it's not exactly the easiest state to live in.

But if you believe most in America make enough to spread around you'd be wrong. Most are just dept slaves.

Well I do not know if your assertions are correct or not. You must be correct about yourself though.

But seems to me that there are a lot of people living large in the US and even in my country of Canada. This is why we desparately need oil and resources. This is why we are deceived by cheap Chinese crap when everyday jobs go over there, it is about buying power to maintain the standard of living.

We are selfish and greedy in the first world, but most of the rest of the world are a bunch of weasels too. I know I have had to deal with a lot of these people as maybe you have too.

I "LIVE LARGE" but I worked my ASS off and created a division in a company that makes a lot of MONEY by doing GOOD for people.

Marketing skills are what make the jack in the first world today. You had better be saving someone some money (what i do) or you better be making them some.

The old traditional jobs have gone overseas mostly because of the unions pricing themselves out of the competition with pay raise demands and lawsuits over various things...

We are in a service economy. Either you serve your fellow capitalist or you outhink the rest of the world and come up with the next great thing... Thta's really the only way to make large dollars in the first world anymore.

Look at the guy who started Dominos Pizza. He realized people were tired when they got done working their asses off and wanted to watch Monday Noght Football without having to go GET something to eat. He DELIVERED a relatively tasty pie full of fat right to their door in 30 minutes guarenteed!

Next thing you know this lad is a millionaire and his franchizees are rolling in dough (pun intended)!

It's a simple thing IF you can find the niche that is underserved...

And NEO had it right, the capitalist deomcracy is the WORST system on EARTH... Unless you consider ANY of the other ones.

PEACE...
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[Edited on 12-7-2003 by Springer]

I am not judging because as you know I am no socialist.

It just seems to me that life does not make sense some times when you step back and look at it.

If someone works hard and suffers for what they have then who am I to judge them.

But that is not always the way it happens, not everyone earns what they have, no everyone gets a fair deal. Not everyone appreciates what they have got or uses it sensibly.

Even when we earn what we have and have every reason to feel that we deserve it, you have to ask yourself, why am I lucky to be here when I could have been 'over there.' A good question to ask one's self once in awhile I think. Puts life in a better perspective.

I'll be candid just this once...

I often times wonder EXACTLY THAT. WHY was I born to my Mother and Father instead of to a peasent in Viet Nam or India? I have NO IDEA. It is THAT VERY thing that inspires me to make the MOST and GIVE the most BACK where I can.

Does this make sense? I actually feel as though I have a responsibility to the rest of the world due to my "good fortune" of being born where and to whom I was...

Whenever things go smoothly I get worried. That's the price I think of EARNED success. When you finally "get there" you kind of freak out when the "struggle" ends.

You get so used to fighting that the lull freaks you out...

PEACE...
m...

LOL you said exactly what I expected.

So we agree that to a degree none of this makes sense.

That is okay and I agree with you, we must do the best we can.

Peace to you too.

Exactly... I would definatley GO NUTZ if I dwelled on this stuff...

Instead I do the BEST I CAN with what I have to work with...

PEACE...
m...

Originally posted by ZeroDeep
Is thier a Group just as powerfull as NWO, that are good?
I mean they must have some resistence other than a few men here and thier.
Deep

You mean like the Discordians?

Originally posted by Springer
Whenever things go smoothly I get worried. That's the price I think of EARNED success. When you finally "get there" you kind of freak out when the "struggle" ends.

Are you really under the illusion you've earned your success Springer?

You know Springer, for every superstar, there's 1000's more who go unnoticed.

It's a game of chance more than anything. Just like the Lotto.

Originally posted by wiergraf
I've seen everyone criticizing the NWO, saying they will be bad, evil whatever you want to describe them as. But what if they are good? What if they make peace in the world? We really don't know much about what the NWO will enforce, and we don't know who is in it or what it will do to us. I've been reading a lot of the topics here, and I really haven't found one saying they might be good. Another thing. You guys don't have proof that they will be bad, nor who is really in it. You can say countries as a general, but which PEOPLE? And the things you have read about the NWO. It could all be fake, made up, exaggerated. I'm not saying the NWO isnt real, because I know it IS real.

Im not saying I believe that the NWO IS good, but im not saying they will be bad. I just wanted to tell you guys that there might be some good in all of this..

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You are exactly and perfectly describing the problem I see as stated in the thread "WE are the Illuminati".

Even among those that agree there is a very real NWO conspiracy being heralded by the shadow elite, there is a very real division in what that means. Half of us think that Rupert Murdock and Fox News is 'in on it'...half of us think Ted Turner and CNN is 'in on it'...some portion of both sides think ALL MEDIA is in on it. Some think the US are the bad guys, some think the UN are the bad guys... Some think the Freemasons are the thinly veiled Satanists, some think the Christians are the thinly veiled Satanists...

All Adam Weishaput ever intended in his Illuminati movement was creating chaos, confusion and instability... If there's a soul, his is LAUGHING at US most of all.

Originally posted by RANT

All Adam Weishaput ever intended in his Illuminati movement was creating chaos, confusion and instability... If there's a soul, his is LAUGHING at US most of all.

illuminati is just a name. he was another puppet, like hitler, like bush et al. they all serve 'the unknown controller'. fascinating stuff.

Originally posted by billybob

illuminati is just a name. he was another puppet, like hitler, like bush et al. they all serve 'the unknown controller'. fascinating stuff.

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Why not just say it? A demented God is the ultimate bad guy. The Gnostics were right!

Originally posted by RANT

Originally posted by billybob

illuminati is just a name. he was another puppet, like hitler, like bush et al. they all serve 'the unknown controller'. fascinating stuff.

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Why not just say it? A demented God is the ultimate bad guy. The Gnostics were right!

not my god. not the creator of love, beauty and pleasure.
the Gnostics were confused by thinking that their dogma should have the same cast of characters as the bad guys' dogma.
lao tse tzu knew the real deal. there is only cause and effect.
god's law is the law of the jungle. the jungle is multidimensional. we are flotsam on the magnetic sea. choices and lessons are all that truly 'matter'.

I agree it is the human condition to ascribe to a (or rather) THE Good God, but also the balance of a powerful earthly Evil or the Demented God if you will (Satan?)

The psyche of the 'non-conspirator' is not unique, but rather Universal since early man first empowered his ruling secretive witch doctors and those that commit the evils of sacrifice to (what???) keep God good? At bay? Appeased? Off our backs?

I just think God and those we are convinced keep us from him, are more similar than not. Both are more powerful than us and YOU ARE CORRECT control the tides of our destiny.

What I like about the Gnostic tradition (which is admittedly less than what I dislike) is the idea that doubt leads to enlightenment, not faith. I get that. I don't do faith.

Originally posted by RANT
What I like about the Gnostic tradition (which is admittedly less than what I dislike) is the idea that doubt leads to enlightenment, not faith. I get that. I don't do faith.

yeah, man.
i have ABSOLUTE faith in one thing, ...and that is nothing. i trust nothing. i know nothing will always not be there. i want nothing. i love and hate nothing. etc... make up your own! absolute zero is what i aspire to.