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Because these are repugnants. Repugnants ALWAYS LIE and Repugnants ALWAYS LIE ALL THE TIME. They are filled with deceit and NEVER take repsonsibility
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Topic started on 4-12-2003 @ 08:58 AM by Jakomo
Based on this, my first question is : Exactly how many other things are they lying through their teeth about?
I am betting there are TONS more. Hard to keep track of how many.
news.yahoo.com.../nm/20031203/ts_nm/bush_iraq_pilot_dc_2&printer=1
"White House Changes Story on Bush Plane Incident
Wed Dec 3, 1:46 PM ET
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The White House on Wednesday changed its story of a British Airways pilot's spotting of Air Force One during President Bush (news - web sites)'s stealth trip to Iraq (news - web sites) last week.
The original story -- which held that the airline's pilot had talked to Air Force One and that he kept the secret of Bush's Thanksgiving Day flight to Baghdad -- had been told by White House Communications Director Dan Bartlett to reporters as he sought to portray the drama of Bush's trip.
But after British Airways denied such a conversation took place, White House spokesman Scott McClellan said on Wednesday the airline's pilot never contacted Air Force One. "The conversation was between the British Airways plane and the London control tower," McClellan said.
It was also the London control tower, not an Air Force One pilot as in the original story, that misidentified Air Force One as a much smaller "Gulfstream 5" aircraft, McClellan said.
He said Air Force One pilots overheard the conversation while flying over the west coast of England, and the British Airways plane could be identified by its call sign when it spoke to the tower.
McClellan declined to say whether Air Force One had sent a false electronic identification or whether controllers were in on the deception.
British Airways said it could not confirm the new account.
White House officials have said the elaborate secrecy surrounding the trip was needed to ensure Bush's security in Iraq, but some critics accused the administration of dramatizing the trip for political purposes.
CHANGE OF STORY
McClellan explained the change in the White House story by saying, "I don't think everybody was clear on exactly how that conversation happened."
The White House has come under criticism for backtracking on its account of other high profile events.
In October it conceded it had helped with a large "Mission Accomplished" banner on an aircraft carrier where Bush announced in May that major fighting had ended in Iraq.
Bush had initially said his advance team did not put up the banner, whose message critics viewed as premature given continued attacks on occupying forces in Iraq.
The White House also acknowledged in July that a claim by Bush in his State of the Union address last January that Iraq tried to buy African uranium was based partly on forged documents.
British Airways said it could not confirm the White House's new version of the Air Force One story. "We've had no reports from any of our pilots with regard to Air Force One," airline spokeswoman Honor Verrier said
I am betting there are TONS more. Hard to keep track of how many.
news.yahoo.com.../nm/20031203/ts_nm/bush_iraq_pilot_dc_2&printer=1
"White House Changes Story on Bush Plane Incident
Wed Dec 3, 1:46 PM ET
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The White House on Wednesday changed its story of a British Airways pilot's spotting of Air Force One during President Bush (news - web sites)'s stealth trip to Iraq (news - web sites) last week.
The original story -- which held that the airline's pilot had talked to Air Force One and that he kept the secret of Bush's Thanksgiving Day flight to Baghdad -- had been told by White House Communications Director Dan Bartlett to reporters as he sought to portray the drama of Bush's trip.
But after British Airways denied such a conversation took place, White House spokesman Scott McClellan said on Wednesday the airline's pilot never contacted Air Force One. "The conversation was between the British Airways plane and the London control tower," McClellan said.
It was also the London control tower, not an Air Force One pilot as in the original story, that misidentified Air Force One as a much smaller "Gulfstream 5" aircraft, McClellan said.
He said Air Force One pilots overheard the conversation while flying over the west coast of England, and the British Airways plane could be identified by its call sign when it spoke to the tower.
McClellan declined to say whether Air Force One had sent a false electronic identification or whether controllers were in on the deception.
British Airways said it could not confirm the new account.
White House officials have said the elaborate secrecy surrounding the trip was needed to ensure Bush's security in Iraq, but some critics accused the administration of dramatizing the trip for political purposes.
CHANGE OF STORY
McClellan explained the change in the White House story by saying, "I don't think everybody was clear on exactly how that conversation happened."
The White House has come under criticism for backtracking on its account of other high profile events.
In October it conceded it had helped with a large "Mission Accomplished" banner on an aircraft carrier where Bush announced in May that major fighting had ended in Iraq.
Bush had initially said his advance team did not put up the banner, whose message critics viewed as premature given continued attacks on occupying forces in Iraq.
The White House also acknowledged in July that a claim by Bush in his State of the Union address last January that Iraq tried to buy African uranium was based partly on forged documents.
British Airways said it could not confirm the White House's new version of the Air Force One story. "We've had no reports from any of our pilots with regard to Air Force One," airline spokeswoman Honor Verrier said
reply posted on 4-12-2003 @ 09:36 AM by Dreamz
Originally posted by Jakomo
I find it sooo weird that Clinton was impeached for lying about an extra-marital BJ (which really only hurt Hillary, let's be honest), and yet Dubya lied about reasons to go to war, which has killed hundreds of US troops unneccessarily. And he KEEPS lyin'!
Is it because the Supreme Court and the news media is stacked with Bush supporters, or is it just that sex is far more important to your average TV viewer than human lives?
I dont recall Bush ever saying a thing about the British plane. I did however hear it from various media sources.
British Airways said it could not confirm the new account.
So you all like to spew out # that isnt even confirmed?
Ill add what I wrote in my blog since no one ever reads it anyways.....
Ok liberals, this is the the worst national administration you’ve ever lived under, correct? What about JFK's relentless persuit of infidelity including a woman having an affair with a mob boss? What about his complete bungling of the Bay of Pigs? What about his brother giving the green light to the FBI to spy on Martin Luther King, Jr.? Were any of you overseas when LBJ's administration knew they couldn't win in Vietnam but continued the letting of American blood until 50,000 + died and hundreds of thousands were wounded under his administration? Were you clueless as Nixon subverted the Constitution and used the agencies of the Federal government to go after his political enemies? You must have missed the many scandals of the Clinton administration and you no doubt were napping - or riding in a tank? - when he looked you (and the rest of us) right in the eye and told a bald-faced lie. Partisanship is one thing but geez...
Then we go to war with Iraq. A issue with the war was that Iraq had weapons of mass destruction....Can anyone tell me one source before the war started that thought Iraq didnt have any WMD's? Here let me quote the UN...
THE SECURITY COUNCIL, 27 JANUARY 2003:
AN UPDATE ON INSPECTION
Executive Chairman of UNMOVIC, Dr. Hans Blix
www.un.org...
"The document indicates that 13,000 chemical bombs were dropped by the Iraqi Air Force between 1983 and 1988, while Iraq has declared that 19,500 bombs were consumed during this period. Thus, there is a discrepancy of 6,500 bombs. The amount of chemical agent in these bombs would be in the order of about 1,000 tonnes. In the absence of evidence to the contrary, we must assume that these quantities are now unaccounted for."
This after 12 years of breaking his ceasefire terms on a daily basis.
After attacking 4 neighboring countries and killing a million muslims all the while harboring Abu Nidal and paying suicide terrorists to kill women and children, how much longer would you appeasers have given Saddam? 5 years? 10 years? 20 years?
reply posted on 4-12-2003 @ 10:12 AM by joehayner
Originally posted by Dreamz
Originally posted by Jakomo
I find it sooo weird that Clinton was impeached for lying about an extra-marital BJ (which really only hurt Hillary, let's be honest), and yet Dubya lied about reasons to go to war, which has killed hundreds of US troops unneccessarily. And he KEEPS lyin'!
Is it because the Supreme Court and the news media is stacked with Bush supporters, or is it just that sex is far more important to your average TV viewer than human lives?
I dont recall Bush ever saying a thing about the British plane. I did however hear it from various media sources.
British Airways said it could not confirm the new account.
So you all like to spew out # that isnt even confirmed?
Ill add what I wrote in my blog since no one ever reads it anyways.....
Ok liberals, this is the the worst national administration you’ve ever lived under, correct? What about JFK's relentless persuit of infidelity including a woman having an affair with a mob boss? What about his complete bungling of the Bay of Pigs? What about his brother giving the green light to the FBI to spy on Martin Luther King, Jr.? Were any of you overseas when LBJ's administration knew they couldn't win in Vietnam but continued the letting of American blood until 50,000 + died and hundreds of thousands were wounded under his administration? Were you clueless as Nixon subverted the Constitution and used the agencies of the Federal government to go after his political enemies? You must have missed the many scandals of the Clinton administration and you no doubt were napping - or riding in a tank? - when he looked you (and the rest of us) right in the eye and told a bald-faced lie. Partisanship is one thing but geez...
Then we go to war with Iraq. A issue with the war was that Iraq had weapons of mass destruction....Can anyone tell me one source before the war started that thought Iraq didnt have any WMD's? Here let me quote the UN...
THE SECURITY COUNCIL, 27 JANUARY 2003:
AN UPDATE ON INSPECTION
Executive Chairman of UNMOVIC, Dr. Hans Blix
www.un.org...
"The document indicates that 13,000 chemical bombs were dropped by the Iraqi Air Force between 1983 and 1988, while Iraq has declared that 19,500 bombs were consumed during this period. Thus, there is a discrepancy of 6,500 bombs. The amount of chemical agent in these bombs would be in the order of about 1,000 tonnes. In the absence of evidence to the contrary, we must assume that these quantities are now unaccounted for."
This after 12 years of breaking his ceasefire terms on a daily basis.
After attacking 4 neighboring countries and killing a million muslims all the while harboring Abu Nidal and paying suicide terrorists to kill women and children, how much longer would you appeasers have given Saddam? 5 years? 10 years? 20 years?
Nice post, very well said. But then of course, it is ignored completly...
reply posted on 4-12-2003 @ 10:14 AM by Dreamz
Originally posted by joehayner
Originally posted by Dreamz
Originally posted by Jakomo
I find it sooo weird that Clinton was impeached for lying about an extra-marital BJ (which really only hurt Hillary, let's be honest), and yet Dubya lied about reasons to go to war, which has killed hundreds of US troops unneccessarily. And he KEEPS lyin'!
Is it because the Supreme Court and the news media is stacked with Bush supporters, or is it just that sex is far more important to your average TV viewer than human lives?
I dont recall Bush ever saying a thing about the British plane. I did however hear it from various media sources.
British Airways said it could not confirm the new account.
So you all like to spew out # that isnt even confirmed?
Ill add what I wrote in my blog since no one ever reads it anyways.....
Ok liberals, this is the the worst national administration you’ve ever lived under, correct? What about JFK's relentless persuit of infidelity including a woman having an affair with a mob boss? What about his complete bungling of the Bay of Pigs? What about his brother giving the green light to the FBI to spy on Martin Luther King, Jr.? Were any of you overseas when LBJ's administration knew they couldn't win in Vietnam but continued the letting of American blood until 50,000 + died and hundreds of thousands were wounded under his administration? Were you clueless as Nixon subverted the Constitution and used the agencies of the Federal government to go after his political enemies? You must have missed the many scandals of the Clinton administration and you no doubt were napping - or riding in a tank? - when he looked you (and the rest of us) right in the eye and told a bald-faced lie. Partisanship is one thing but geez...
Then we go to war with Iraq. A issue with the war was that Iraq had weapons of mass destruction....Can anyone tell me one source before the war started that thought Iraq didnt have any WMD's? Here let me quote the UN...
THE SECURITY COUNCIL, 27 JANUARY 2003:
AN UPDATE ON INSPECTION
Executive Chairman of UNMOVIC, Dr. Hans Blix
www.un.org...
"The document indicates that 13,000 chemical bombs were dropped by the Iraqi Air Force between 1983 and 1988, while Iraq has declared that 19,500 bombs were consumed during this period. Thus, there is a discrepancy of 6,500 bombs. The amount of chemical agent in these bombs would be in the order of about 1,000 tonnes. In the absence of evidence to the contrary, we must assume that these quantities are now unaccounted for."
This after 12 years of breaking his ceasefire terms on a daily basis.
After attacking 4 neighboring countries and killing a million muslims all the while harboring Abu Nidal and paying suicide terrorists to kill women and children, how much longer would you appeasers have given Saddam? 5 years? 10 years? 20 years?
Nice post, very well said. But then of course, it is ignored completly...
Yeah I know, selective reading maybe.
reply posted on 4-12-2003 @ 10:54 AM by Jakomo
Dreamz: "I dont recall Bush ever saying a thing about the British plane. I did however hear it from various media sources. "
Did I say BUSH lied about the British plane? I said he KEEPS lying, I never mentioned that HE lied about the plane. Read my post again, it ain't edited.
"Then we go to war with Iraq. A issue with the war was that Iraq had weapons of mass destruction....Can anyone tell me one source before the war started that thought Iraq didnt have any WMD's? Here let me quote the UN... "
LOL, if you use links from 9 months ago, you may win this argument. But NOT if you use any links from NOW, or from RECENT history.
news.bbc.co.uk...
"Dr Blix criticised the "culture of spin, of hyping" and told the BBC Radio 4's Today programme that he hoped governments would be more cautious in the future use of special intelligence.
He compared the way Britain and America were sure Iraq had weapons of mass destruction programmes to the way people in the Middle Ages were convinced witches existed and so found them when they looked. ..
..."We know that the advertisers will advertise a refrigerator in terms they do not quite believe in but you expect governments to be more serious and have more credibility," he said.
Dr Blix said he understood that information had to be simplified but people still expected it to be reliable.
He accused the British and American governments of "over-interpreting" intelligence. "
www.abc.net.au...
"UN still waiting for US report on Iraq weapons
United Nations weapons inspectors say they still have not been given a key report by American and British experts who have searched post-war Iraq for weapons of mass destruction.
The revelation is contained in a report by UN Monitoring, Verification and Inspection Commission (UNMOVIC), the UN arms team which originally monitored Baghdad's weapons programs and left on the eve of the war.
The interim report from the US-led Iraq Survey Group was completed in October.
Controversy has raged over whether the regime of Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction, cited as a main reason for the US-led war that ended his regime."
Nice try though.
jakomo
Did I say BUSH lied about the British plane? I said he KEEPS lying, I never mentioned that HE lied about the plane. Read my post again, it ain't edited.
"Then we go to war with Iraq. A issue with the war was that Iraq had weapons of mass destruction....Can anyone tell me one source before the war started that thought Iraq didnt have any WMD's? Here let me quote the UN... "
LOL, if you use links from 9 months ago, you may win this argument. But NOT if you use any links from NOW, or from RECENT history.
news.bbc.co.uk...
"Dr Blix criticised the "culture of spin, of hyping" and told the BBC Radio 4's Today programme that he hoped governments would be more cautious in the future use of special intelligence.
He compared the way Britain and America were sure Iraq had weapons of mass destruction programmes to the way people in the Middle Ages were convinced witches existed and so found them when they looked. ..
..."We know that the advertisers will advertise a refrigerator in terms they do not quite believe in but you expect governments to be more serious and have more credibility," he said.
Dr Blix said he understood that information had to be simplified but people still expected it to be reliable.
He accused the British and American governments of "over-interpreting" intelligence. "
www.abc.net.au...
"UN still waiting for US report on Iraq weapons
United Nations weapons inspectors say they still have not been given a key report by American and British experts who have searched post-war Iraq for weapons of mass destruction.
The revelation is contained in a report by UN Monitoring, Verification and Inspection Commission (UNMOVIC), the UN arms team which originally monitored Baghdad's weapons programs and left on the eve of the war.
The interim report from the US-led Iraq Survey Group was completed in October.
Controversy has raged over whether the regime of Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction, cited as a main reason for the US-led war that ended his regime."
Nice try though.
jakomo
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