Originally posted by Colonel
I am going to quote BT for your answer:
"These are "Peace Officer". That should mean that they contain folks who are using non-leathal means of resistence. that means having "smother
techniques" applied. Not "concussive techniques". Repeated blows, and specifically the jab penetrations with full body weight behind them to the
victims body cavity, thus injuring internal organs and possibly damaging the heart, are not "peace keeper" moves.
I've always said that cops need more training, particularly fight training. I see no reason a "peace officer" should not be an expert in grappling
and joint lock techniques."
This is my last statement on this issue. I have Christmas cookies to bake, a website to update, and a visit to the gym.
1) On the "homicide" ruling:
Hamilton County Coroner Carl Parrott said his autopsy showed that Jones suffered from an enlarged heart, obesity and had intoxicating levels
of coc aine, PCP and methanol in his blood.
Parrott said the death will be ruled a homicide, but that such a ruling "should not be interpreted as implying inappropriate behavior or the use of
excessive force by police."
Jones' body had bruising on the lower half, but did not show signs of blows to the head or organ damage, Parrott said.
The coroner said he had to rule the death a homicide because it didn't fall under other categories of a death in Ohio: accident, suicide or
Jones' death certificate will list a cause of death as an irregular heart beat because of a stress reaction from the violent struggle, Parrott
2) On police training in grappling & joint lock techniques:
trained extensively in both CQC (close quarters combat) and joint lock techniques. Many officers also take individual training in
martial arts (especially judo - my wrestling trainer is also a judo instructor, and provides training to several DC-area police departments) or self
defense to supplement their departmental training.
The growing trend right now in law enforcement is training in the martial art Krav Maga
. If you don't
know what it is, do a little reading. It's quite interesting.
"Joint locks" on their own are a flawed means of control. Quite simply, they do not work on everyone.
Hell, many of them don't affect me, and I'm just a 180lb white girl.
Factors such as a person's pain tolerance, flexibility, connective tissue mobility, etc can completely nullify a joint lock that would put ten other
people on the ground.
Here, let me give you a direct example. In my case, I have the first advantage of an extremely high pain tolerance. If I can keep punching with a
dislocated shoulder (and I have...), a leglock won't faze me as much as Joe Average. I'm also hyper-mobile in most of my joints (aka "double
jointed"). What good is a lock going to do if I can just bend right out of it? Not much! Believe me, I suprised my ex-hubby more than once doing
that when we'd spar.
My point is, you can't guarantee that one technique will subdue everyone.
Now, since you're fuming that the cops in this instance should have at least tried
grappling or something on Mr. Jones....
I saw it, but I also have some training in CQC. I understand that you guys don't, and therefore would miss it.
But what would I know?
I've only had fight training in various forms for 15 years now.