Originally posted by smirkley
The Rookie ran the stop sign too !
Originally posted by toejam
nascar has always been know for their uhhh..creative reading of the rule book, as i understand this one when the yellow flag is thrown the cars are frozen in their position...right? now, lets say car a and car b are well out in front of the field, car a is pitted at the pit exit and car b is at the pit entrance, now the yellow comes out, since car a has crossed the start, finish line to get to his pit does this put him a lap ahead of the field???? think nascar needs to rethink this one
Marty Smith, Turner Sports
Used to be that Kenseth and Kahne would have been caught a lap down. But under the updated scoring system instituted late last year, the field is frozen immediately at the time the yellow is displayed.
And in NASCAR's determination Sunday, the Nos. 17 and 9 teams had completed their stops, were off the jack and rolling when the pace car and McMurray passed them.
With each respective driver's position being frozen, NASCAR determined Kenseth and Kahne had not gone a lap down, but rather had remained at the tail end of the lead lap. So when McMurray and the rest of the leaders pitted, Kenseth and Kahne were cycled back into the first and second positions, respectively.
Confused yet? McMurray certainly was. After the race he sat frustrated and puzzled in the media center, unable to quantify how he wound up third in the running order following that scenario. But he wasn't mad. He said he had the third-best car.
His team owners, on the other hand, weren't confused in the least. In their minds, NASCAR screwed them over, plain and simple. Donnie Wingo, McMurray's crew chief, said at the very best Kenseth and Kahne should have restarted at the tail end of the lead lap.
But they didn't. They started out front, and went on to stage an epic battle that ended in one of the closest finishes in the sport's history.
But that's no solace to McMurray. He's still winless in the Havoline Dodge. Who's to say what would have happened had he restarted first? He may have run away with it, as he's prone to doing in Busch Series cars at Rockingham. Or he may have knocked the fence down trying to hold off Kenseth and Kahne on old tires. Who knows?
Not me. But I do know this: Racing back to the caution is awfully dangerous and had gotten way out of hand. So freezing the field is necessary. All said, there's no argument here. Given the black and white, NASCAR got it right.
But be prepared for some sort of rules alteration. NASCAR president Mike Helton admitted this was the first time they'd encountered such a situation. If I'm associated with Chip Ganassi Racing in any way, it's hard to accept the outcome of the 2004 Subway 400. I don't blame Ganassi, Sabates or Wingo for being ticked off.