are you a homophobe????

heh... I got a 10,, and answered completly honestly... I probably didn't get lower... because... (as if you can blame me) I used to date a gay guy(not, like I knew..)... and... in my expeirience... many gay men are extremely hot.. ^_^ Heh... so if I were to see 2 gay men walking down the street... And one... (if not both) are really hot.. I'm willing to utter... what a waste... mainly because I WANT ONE!!!! *cries*... I would almost rather be a gay guy...just so that I can date one...


3.14....pI

Some people throw the word about freely.

And some people are simply traditionalists.

But there are a lot of people who are "homophobic" (meaning that they irrationally fear gay people) and thus are opposed to same-sex marriage. They may hide behind "principles," but those principles are nothing more than the fig leaf "principles" people hide their racism behind.

These are the same people who are unlikely to know any homosexuals or racial minorities, and/or avoid these groups. They've based their judgement on what third parties have told them about homosexuals or racial minorities. As evidenced by the fact that the less minority-friendly places tend to be the most white and homogenous places. Kids who grow up in more diverse places tend to be more accepting of diversity.

I compare these people to the kids who grow up attending the Saudi funded schools that teach people to hate the US. Babies aren't born "knowing" that you're supposed to dislike the US or minorities - they learn to, thanks to prejudicial teaching by their parents and communities.

Mark

Is a 'test' necessary to let yourself and others know whether or not you are a homophobic????

No I am not btw..I think gay people are great, I don't fear them or condem them. I have had many gay friends, bisexual and straight..they decide their preference not me and God decides their fate not you nor me.
Mags

My opion...

I think yes, most has to do with genes being out-of-wak
and some has to do with the way the person was grownup

so theres nothing that that person realy can do..

now, on a homophobe, yes i can tell you that i am...

but i would never say anything or do anything to a gay person that is messedup...

yes, i think if your gay, somethings wrong with you but its not your falt, you had no controle over your dna. its not your falt so no-one- should hold that agents you


before some of you jump on my back for sharing what i feel, Some people think im a idoet, stupid, wierd

IE:I have dylexa so sorry for my bad spelling i understand why people why alot of people think im a idoet and shouldnt be posting on the internet, but im sorry i cant help it and you cant make me go away

[Edited on 5-12-2003 by Dmsoldier]

Originally posted by magestica
Is a 'test' necessary to let yourself and others know whether or not you are a homophobic????


Mags

Yes it is Mags. We here at ATS are here to solve the worldy problems and make peace.
If we can change just one persons mind about closedminded negative atttitudes than its all worth it.
Right now ATS is full of a myriad of diverse people.
Some are not as tolerant as others. I am not gay myself but I am a minority and have expierenced the bigotry of the south I am not white so I am used to those with the narrows minds that like to be motivated by hate and intolerance.
I think that this is not a statement or a test but more of a journey mags.

Mark

What I'm finding hard to swallow is that fact that an individual actually needs a test to validate if they are this way or that way You should know this already..shouldn't you?

And "making peace" has little to ziltch to do with sexual preference...let's get real here. Half the time we are unaware or uncertain whether someone we just meet is GAY or nay..we prejudge and then judge. This is utterly ridiculous!

If a man or woman is so consumed in someone elses sexual preference how can we ourselves ever reach a peaceful state of awareness?

Originally posted by Thomas Crowne

Originally posted by earthtone
You got problems FULCRUM.. . . . . anyone who is a homophobe is to me is the one part of an'anti-cultural' movement, as TC said. Shows ignorance to think that something that is different is wrong. Whats all this 'extreme-left' bull# Mr. Crowne? So you're saying only commies accept Homosexuals? Hmm. . . .thats not really true is it.

I agree with you that Fulcrom sounds a bit scary. You have to separate the sinner from the sin. Understand, the human has rights as a human, but do not have rights as one who is participating in sin, or centuries old unacceptable behavior.
When I say left-wing, I do not mean commie, as you say, but liberal, as in the anti-traditional, anti-Christian, anti-American, anti-commonlaw, anti-constitutional (unless it fits their specific needs and can be manipulated to be against morality and Judeo-Christian principles) groups doing their dead-level best to undermine the national direction given by the Founding Fathers and those that followed up until a handful of decades ago.
While it is true that the Soviets made it a point to choreograph and foment the liberal direction in order to destroy the national fabric and moral glue that held the country together and allowed it to become great, I believe that the same types would have grown like a bacteria culture, anyway. It seems to always happen that after the great men build something, the spineless hedonistic dregs come along and comandeer, corrupt and destroy that which they did not create.

I'm not even going to try to argue with about all liberals being Communists and all conservatives being wonderful, God-fearing people. You won't change your mind. I really don't care as long as you don't follow the Westboro Baptist Church!!


You will lose any respect from me if you follow that ignorant bastard Fred Phelps.

Originally posted by magestica
What I'm finding hard to swallow is that fact that an individual actually needs a test to validate if they are this way or that way

You should know this already..shouldn't you?

And "making peace" has little to ziltch to do with sexual preference...let's get real here. Half the time we are unaware or uncertain whether someone we just meet is GAY or nay..we prejudge and then judge. This is utterly ridiculous!

If a man or woman is so consumed in someone elses sexual preference how can we ourselves ever reach a peaceful state of awareness?

Mags the making peace comment was a joke as I thought you were joking with you intial entry.
In all seriousness my point, many people dont know that they are homophobes. Some have never even thought of it.
Just because you see things a certain way doesnt mean anyone else does.
If this peaceful state of awareness that you refer too is your heterosexuality than great. You have reached that but their are still people out there that are getting beaten and persecuted for what they believe.




Mark

Originally posted by MarkosOrrealus

Originally posted by magestica
What I'm finding hard to swallow is that fact that an individual actually needs a test to validate if they are this way or that way

You should know this already..shouldn't you?

And "making peace" has little to ziltch to do with sexual preference...let's get real here. Half the time we are unaware or uncertain whether someone we just meet is GAY or nay..we prejudge and then judge. This is utterly ridiculous!

If a man or woman is so consumed in someone elses sexual preference how can we ourselves ever reach a peaceful state of awareness?

Mags the making peace comment was a joke as I thought you were joking with you intial entry.
In all seriousness my point, many people dont know that they are homophobes. Some have never even thought of it.
Just because you see things a certain way doesnt mean anyone else does.
If this peaceful state of awareness that you refer too is your heterosexuality than great. You have reached that but their are still people out there that are getting beaten and persecuted for what they believe.




Mark

I WAS being sarcastic about the test. I was trying to see if others, other then the maker of the thread would comment on the remark I made about having to take a test to 'realize' *we* *you* *me* are anything-here being homophobe-Tests like this always give me somewhat of the impression that they are specifically arranged to *make* one answer in a certain way as to purposely give the majority a pre-determined answer..like mind control.

I think it takes a lot more then a test to realize we are homophobic. You may thnk you are, the test may insist you are, but then you may find yourself in a situation that reads the opposite..

No world peace does not 'solely' depend on who and what gender we choose to sleep with sexually or otherwise. And that is how I see it yes, only because I think 'we' spend far too much time consumed in someone else life and choices when in reality we should be consuming ourself with our own choices if we wish to ever reach the unreachable, unattainable goal of 'world peace'.

And yes, this particular philosophy has brought me a great deal of 'inner peace' Why would it not? Think about it..
Mags

Originally posted by Seapeople
Thats the problem with homosexuality. They turn the issue around on others. While they are the ones that are sick. They make others believe the ones who realize the truth and arent too politically correct to admit it are the ones who are sick. A phobia is a type of disorder. Nobody is a homophobe. Some people are just not afraid to say, hey I dont like that. I guess I am a "childmolesterphobe" too. I mean look at NAMBLA. (North American Man Boy Love Association) These people are making a political agenda out of their messed up and disgusting lifestyle just like gay people are. We classify people as sexual deviants who are rapist's and child molesters. A man actually is sexually attracted to young boys. We call him sick. What is the difference????? Our biological body parts are DESIGNED AND MEANT for use with people of THE OPPOSITE SEX. That is how HUMANS ARE DESIGNED. I am not afraid of gay people. I know a gay person. I talk to him on a daily basis while at work. We get along fine. That does not mean that he doesnt have a problem.

I will no longer respect your AUTHORITAAAAAAAA.

Originally posted by e-nonymous
There is no such thing as homophobia. Just people who have a freaking brain. Let's say we ALL become gay, just for the hell of it ... Who's gunna populate this planet? Can men have babie's out of there azzes? No ... Man and women were made for EACHOTHER ... Not man and man or woman and woman. I have more of a problem with man/man gay's thean women, simply because women already have a natural bond to eachother that men simply do NOT have under normal circumstances. I think being gay is a choice. One THEY decided to come up with. No man can turn down a warm wet ... you know ... NO MAN. UNLESS, he is sick or has sum sort of psychological problem. Our brain's were wired to the opposite sex, not a dirty dry smelly bunghole ... queers =P

you're talking out of your butt. Anyone that says they have a different reaction to male homosexuals over female homosexuals. If one is wrong and sick in your book, both should be. And obviously NOT everyone's brain or sexual impulse is wired to the opposite sex...otherwise all men would get hard when they see a woman and all women would get wet when they see a man. Doesn't happen.

Originally posted by LAW
I have just taken the test.

I have scored badly, 60 and I knew beforehand that I am Homophobic. Things that upset me are that I am not prejudice to employing someone gay, but really would be upset me if I thought I was being eyed up.

After reading a quote from Thomas Crowne above, I feel its wrong to judge �gay� as a sin. You are a mere man, capable of mistakes on many levels. Only God himself judges sin. Gay people could be here just so you make that very mistake to judge and condemn, equally a sin. That may your lesson in life, to live and let live.

The thought of a homosexual act personally sickens me but to condemn someone for their acts especially if in a mutual loving relationship is wrong, it would be no different for me to make porn video's of me and my wife and show them to people who are not interested. You would judge me as weird, sick, perverted maybe. Where do you draw the line and who gave anyone that right. The fact is, as long as you do not force your views and opinions on others everyone is equal and should be left alone

We are all entitled to a view but to judge, condemn and victimise is also a sin.

We should learn to forgive, accept tolerate and maybe then, the world would be a better place.

I particularly love your responses. Very honest. Very enlightened. You are a testament to those that don't feel comfortable with homosexuality.

Originally posted by Losonczy

Originally posted by Seapeople
Thats the problem with homosexuality. They turn the issue around on others. While they are the ones that are sick. They make others believe the ones who realize the truth and arent too politically correct to admit it are the ones who are sick. A phobia is a type of disorder. Nobody is a homophobe. Some people are just not afraid to say, hey I dont like that. I guess I am a "childmolesterphobe" too. I mean look at NAMBLA. (North American Man Boy Love Association) These people are making a political agenda out of their messed up and disgusting lifestyle just like gay people are. We classify people as sexual deviants who are rapist's and child molesters. A man actually is sexually attracted to young boys. We call him sick. What is the difference????? Our biological body parts are DESIGNED AND MEANT for use with people of THE OPPOSITE SEX. That is how HUMANS ARE DESIGNED. I am not afraid of gay people. I know a gay person. I talk to him on a daily basis while at work. We get along fine. That does not mean that he doesnt have a problem.

I will no longer respect your AUTHORITAAAAAAAA.

Indeed. You need to climb out of your piece-of-# mindset and stop hating. Let go of your predjudice
and realise that we are all just living on this Earth how we need to. No gay person is doing anything wrong, it's just their way...andthatsfine.

There is no such thing as a homophobe. Here it goes again with someone classifying someone else as sick for not agreeing with them.

Here are some questions for you to answer eathnoise,

1. Is the penis of a male intended biologically for homosexual use. Or is it intended for the use in conjunction with the vagina for reproduction.

2. Explain the difference between an adult male who really likes young children, and an adult who likes someone of the opposite sex.

Your free to go on these because I am sure you will chime in. We should treat homosexuality like any other mental illness. If you dont want treatment that is fine. Do not force your homosexual ideals down my throat, force our children to accept it, and make it a political agenda when it should be an agenda of your psychiatrist.

This quesetion is for everyone in here who is not gay.

Do you find it repulsive to sleep with someone of the same sex?

Now that question is directed towards straight people. The ones who actually use their body parts as they were intended.



Based on this kind of logic, anyone that is mastubating is perverted the course of humanity and wasting their "seed/sex" against its purpose. Also, sex outside of the intent of procreation would be wrong. If that's ALL sex is for, then that's the only time anyone should have sex..while procreating. Don't add up in my book.

Originally posted by Springer
I also scored "Non Homophobic" though, like T.C., I needed no test... I will not go so far as to judge them but I will NOT support gay marriage, adoption of children or any other specific legal rights based on abnormal behavior.

If a guy likes to screw around with farm animals should he be allowed to force his employer to pay for vet insurance on his goat? HELL NO!

Should the state and federal government give him a tax break for being "married"? HELL NO!

The bottom line here is this issue is all about SCREWING. There is NO VALUE ADDED TO SOCIETY by these types of relationships, in plainer terms, they PRODUCE NO CHILDREN to carry on the human struggle and build the community's future.

The WHOLE point of human sexual relations is to procreate and secure the future of humanity. The Pleasure is a positive BY-PRODUCT that is designed to make you WANT to reproduce, it is NOT the PURPOSE.

That being said, like all other facets of personal life it is NONE OF MY BUSINESS what anyone wants to do as long as they don't ask me to pay for it and it doesn't hurt society or anyone else.

I don't care on whit if Bruce and Bob want to play house in pink miniskirts and chase eachother around the bedroom. I would hire either one of them if they were the best candidate for the job, I would have a beer with them after work if they were enjoyable company, I WON'T pay for Bob's healthcare as though he was Bruce's wife because he ISN'T Bruce's wife. He's Bruce's #buddy THAT'S ALL he is.

PEACE...
m...

Given all the overpopulation of the world and the discussions of the new world order wiping out populations so that we get down to a manageable number, why would you note consider that people who were engineered/designed to not procreate couldn't be part of god's plan?

Originally posted by Seapeople

Originally posted by Chud
Homosexuality isn't a mental illness, gay people aren't 'sick', they were just born finding the same sex attrative. I certaintly would never sleep with someone of the same sex, but I can accept why gay people do. They don't deserved to be locked up as you suggest.

Well I never said they should be locked up. You are putting words into my mouth. I said that I dont care what they do. But noone has the right to tell me I should think it is ok. And as far as them not being sick. They have a disorder. Much like a compulsive disorder where you wash your hands repeatedly. They do things that are not natural because of a problem. If it is in there genes, it must be a genetic disorder, for as we all know, gay people cannot reproduce.

Now this is all my opinion. But why dont you answer my question from above. Is someone "sick " when they have sex with young children? Come on now chud...answer it........ or is it going to disagree with what you said?

Based on your comments, anyone that can't reproduce is unnatural. That doesn't add up.

Really?? Then why is it that a lot of gay people become not gay at some point in their life. You are not born gay IMO,it is a choice.

Really it's the other way around, most people try to be straight, and at some point in their life wake up and "give in" to their true nature. You don't see many people living their life as gay and "becoming gay", unless they've put through some brainwashing thing...usually church related where fear of damnation is held over the person.

Originally posted by Thomas Crowne
I have often wondered that as well, but this particular topic pops up here every couple of weeks, runs a bit and then falls to the wayside, only to be replaced by the same thing only different thread.
I figured its tradition by now.

I feel the same way about the threads about "why be christian", "why be atheist", "why be muslim". There's no meat in those question. And no progress to be made from the debate.

Originally posted by nyeff

Originally posted by Chud
Nyeff,

Really?? Then why is it that a lot of gay people become not gay at some point in their life. You are not born gay IMO,it is a choice.

Ppl becoming gay and ungay as they please? A choice? It's not a choice, they don't choose to be gay. You're saying people choose their sexuality, I never made the decision to be straight, I was born that way. I'm sure gay people find people of the same sex attractive because it's built into them, not because they choose to.

[Edited on 4-12-2003 by Chud]

Ummm. Well Anne Heche(sp) comes to mind. One minute she is gay and living with Ellen Degenrous. A little while later she decides the gay life is not for her and goes back to guy's. Also there are plenty of people that change from being gay to not being gay because the found God.
If you can flip the switch from one to the other it is a choice.

anne Heche's problem goes a lot deeper than sexuality. She also showed up at someone's door and told them she was god. She speaks in tongues and believes she's Celestia. She is NOT an appropriate figure for comparison of NORMAL gay people. SHE's whacked on so many planes of existence that she defies classification.

"A phobia is a type of disorder. Nobody is a homophobe."
Plenty of people are homophobic. So many, that they had to make a word for it.

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"I mean look at NAMBLA. (North American Man Boy Love Association) These people are making a political agenda out of their messed up and disgusting lifestyle just like gay people are. We classify people as sexual deviants who are rapist's and child molesters. A man actually is sexually attracted to young boys. We call him sick. What is the difference????? "

Being gay doesn't make you a rapist or a child molester. Straight people molest children, too; it just doesn't make good inflammatory headlines!

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"I am not afraid of gay people. I know a gay person."

Right. And 'some of your best friends are black'.

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"Let's say we ALL become gay, just for the hell of it ... Who's gunna populate this planet?"

Never "gunna" happen. Oh, and artificial insemination.

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"Man and women were made for EACHOTHER ... Not man and man or woman and woman."

Except, of course, for gay people. They pretty obviously seem made for each other.

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"We are getting to be like Sodom and Gomorrah."

As shown in the courts, there are no logical arguments against such things as gay marriage, and plenty of logical arguments for it, based on the freedom of consenting adults to choose their own partnerships. If 'logical arguments' based on human freedom are your evidence that we are getting to be like Sodom and Gomorrah, then I'd venture to say you're an uneducated nutbag.

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"Is the penis of a male intended biologically for homosexual use. Or is it intended for the use in conjunction with the vagina for reproduction."

Depends on whether you're gay or straight. Its also pretty darn useful for peeing.

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"Explain the difference between an adult male who really likes young children, and an adult who likes someone of the opposite sex."

Well, one really likes young children, and the other likes someone of the opposite sex. That was easy!

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"Do not force your homosexual ideals down my throat, force our children to accept it, and make it a political agenda when it should be an agenda of your psychiatrist."

And yet you force your 'heterosexual ideals' down gay people's throats without thinking twice about it. For the definition of 'hypocrite', please visit dictionary.com. Or review your life.

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"There is NO VALUE ADDED TO SOCIETY by these types of relationships, in plainer terms, they PRODUCE NO CHILDREN to carry on the human struggle and build the community's future."

Infertile straight couples fit the bill, too. Go get 'em, tiger! Deny them their marriages immediately!

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"I don't care on whit if Bruce and Bob want to play house in pink miniskirts"

You don't REALLY think cross-dressing is some sort of pre-requisite for being gay, do you?

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"I WON'T pay for Bob's healthcare as though he was Bruce's wife because he ISN'T Bruce's wife. He's Bruce's #buddy THAT'S ALL he is."

No, he's Bruce's lover, companion, '#buddy', and life-long partner. And I notice your sense of entitlement doesn't stop you from requiring Bob to pay for YOUR healthcare if the situation was reversed. Again, see 'hypocrite' at the aforementioned sources.

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"I will not go so far as to judge them but I will NOT support gay marriage"

Because, obviously, you've judged them to not be worthy of it. Seriously, consider "Hypocrite" as the title of your autobiography, which will never be read.