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United Nations Secretary General Kofi Annan has described Israel's decision to construct the West Bank security fence as "deeply counter-productive".
The UN report says that as a result of the partition, Palestinians have lost access to land, hospitals and schools.
Mr Annan said the fences, walls, razor wire and trenches constituted a violation of international law and could jeopardise longer-term prospects for peace.
Sayad Abu Safra was said to be trying to stop a mentally retarded man approaching a Jewish settlement in the northern Gaza Strip when he was shot.
The Israeli army said a Palestinian man had been killed as troops tried to disperse a crowd of Palestinians.
Originally posted by Seekerof
Kofi Annan says?
The UN says?
Nuff said.............
It takes 'TWO to tango', pointing out one side is hypocritical at best, and coming from Kofi Annan and the UN.....nuff said!
Seems Kofi Annan and the UN never condemn or say anything condemning the suicide bombings or rarely anything that the Palestinians do.....but they are persistant to stay on top of condemning Israel?!
How many have and continue to die in Africa and Kofi Annan never say anything?
How many more people in Sudan, Rwanda, and other African countries need to be enslaved before the UN and Kofi Annan condemn and address this issue?
There are atrocites and virtual genicide occur throughout this world, daily, and all Kofi Annan and the UN can address is Israel?!?
Why has no one mentioned Kofi Annan and the UN in respect to this:
"UN puts less value on life of Israeli child: envoy"
Link:
www.nationalpost.com...
Excerpt:
"The Israeli resolution, presented on October 29, was "a mirror of the resolution on Palestinian children" approved earlier by the General Assembly, Gillerman said.
The resolution dealt with the effects of Palestinian terror on Israeli children, according to Israeli diplomats.
The resolution condemning the suffering inflicted on Palestinian children by Israel's armed forces, made no mention of Israeli children killed in suicide bombings or other Palestinian attacks."
Kofi Annan and the UN continue to dig that hole of "irrelevance", and it continues to deepen......
regards
seekerof
Originally posted by earthtone
This thread is not debating the relevance of Kofi Annan or the UN, I simply agree with what he is saying in this instance. however, the suicide bombings are a not a reason for the Isrealis to take away the rights of the Palestinian people. This will never solve anything. The Palestinian people are seriously opressed by the Isreali military and government.
Originally posted by Seekerof
Oh contrar'...
.
Seemingly, the world is against the "wall".....is the world just as united in condemning Palestine for its doings in regards to Israel? Is the UN or Kofi Annan equal and fair in their baised condemnation?
Oh, yes sir, Kofi and the UN is of relevance.
Did you present the topic to bash Israel over its supposed "oppression" of Palestine, or bashing the wall? If its the wall....you presented it from the angle of Kofi Annan and the UN........ Makes them relevant to this discussion, I would think....why?
Originally posted by THENEO
First of all who picked Kofi Annan?
I dont understand your question.
Are the palestinians innocent? of what?
It takes two to tango.
I think that the wall will stop when the terrorist attacks stop.
I agree.
Originally posted by Englishman
I dont know how poeple feel sorry for the Palastinian people because for a start they are not people, they hate the U.S, they dont want to get rid of the extremists groups, so to hell with them.
Originally posted by Englishman
I dont know how poeple feel sorry for the Palastinian people because for a start they are not people
What the # is wrong with you? These are not people? What are you saying. T
, they hate the U.S,
The U.S have supplied Israel with money and weapons. You wonder why many would dislike the U.S
they dont want to get rid of the extremists groups, so to hell with them.
You are generalizing an entire nation of people you moron. You really think that everyday Palestinian people want the extremists to continue? You really think that want the people they care about to killed anymore? You really think they want this conflict?
Originally posted by earthtone
Originally posted by Englishman
I dont know how poeple feel sorry for the Palastinian people because for a start they are not people
What the # is wrong with you? These are not people? What are you saying. T
I agree.
, they hate the U.S,
The U.S have supplied Israel with money and weapons. You wonder why many would dislike the U.S
We have also supplied money to the Palestenians. They just have not used it to their advantage. The fact that Israel is a lone democratic country int he middle east seems to warrent our hugh cash flow to them. I would imagine if the Palestenians ever learned to create a democratic state, they to would recieve more cash.
they dont want to get rid of the extremists groups, so to hell with them.
You are generalizing an entire nation of people you moron. You really think that everyday Palestinian people want the extremists to continue? You really think that want the people they care about to killed anymore? You really think they want this conflict?
I already stated, I agree with this. Let me add this, the voice of these people in Palestine are very rarely heard from as if they do come out and express their views, they will be looked down upon among the extremists. Which to me, would not be a bright idea if you wanted to be accepted into the community. The majority is not always the one expressing their views.
Originally posted by Seekerof
earthtone....
Thank you for your cander and giving your points.
I also respect your outlook on what you percieve.
I may not fully agree with what you percieve, I will and do respect it.
I questioned the motives for the article, perhpas a bit unjustly and for that I apologize.
I do not view Kofi and the UN highly in regards to the ongoing Israel-Arab conflict/issue.
My gripe has always been that if one condemns, well in doing so, as with the UN, present not just the condemnation but be fair and just in giving the condemnation and not just condemn one side, virtually each and every time. Also, in giving the condemnation, why is the UN not helping with solving or giving solutions? Why is there a seen "double standard" that exists within the UN, in respect to Israel and Palestine?
To me the issue of the UN has been like this for years, the fact that they did not support their own resolutions on the Iraq war proves to me that they are not out to enforce their resolutions. Only to force opinion biased on what the board see's fit to their advantage. This has become more noticed by the US and others since the vote on the Iraq resolution 1441. The UN has lost credibility with the US and they know that, but with the continuing criticism of Israel, they are gaining momentum in the eyes of Arab countries. They need to garner support from these countries IMO to prove to the world that they are legit, which IMO they are not.
No, I necessarily don't agree with the wall, nor Sharon, but I definitely don't agree with Arafat, nor what the Palestinians and the Arab world continues to adhere to and preach: teh full destruction of the state of Israel and Jews.
People usually don't refer to that when they stand up for the Palestinians. Good point, that I shouldve made earlier.
As for Israel "messing up peace".....why has no one mentioned what Israel is currently doing that is a move towards peace? Why always the issue of condemnation?
"Fresh nod to peace process in Israel?
In interview, deputy prime minister says Sharon is considering unilateral steps."
Link:
www.csmonitor.com...
"Sharon: Israel Must Make Land Concessions"
Link:
story.news.yahoo.com.../ap/20031127/ap_on_re_mi_ea/israel_palestinians&cid=540&ncid=716
Sharon may be making the right steps, but the fact remains no Palestinian will negotiate with him. If they do, that person will quickly be condemned by the extremists on the Palestinian side.
And yet, no word from Arafat on the Palestinian response, per se'.....
I mentioned Arafat, he will never lead his people to peace. The quicker he dies, the better off his people will be.
"Hamas has no plans to ponder truce with Israel at Cairo talks - leader'
Link:
www.monitor.bbc.co.uk...
Hamas is a terrorist org. They shouldnt even be involved in negotiations with Israel. they should be eradicated.
Peace in the region will come when all sides and "involved" parties really want a lasting peace. When? One can only imagine and wish.
As I stated above, I also think it is possible when the people of both sides come together and demand peace from their respective governments.
regards
seekerof
Originally posted by Seekerof
earthtone....
Thank you for your cander and giving your points.
I also respect your outlook on what you percieve.
I may not fully agree with what you percieve, I will and do respect it.
Thank you. I appreciate your respect
I questioned the motives for the article, perhpas a bit unjustly and for that I apologize.
I think your questioning was unfair but understandable due to the topic
I do not view Kofi and the UN highly in regards to the ongoing Israel-Arab conflict/issue.
I don't think that anyone world power is taking the neccaserry steps to help the peace.
No, I necessarily don't agree with the wall, nor Sharon, but I definitely don't agree with Arafat, nor what the Palestinians and the Arab world continues to adhere to and preach: teh full destruction of the state of Israel and Jews.
I do not agree with Arafat either. I do not think that all Palestinians genuinly want the destruction of the Jews. They just don't want to be persecuted anymore. It's a sad situation, really sad. Everyone needs somone to blame.
As for Israel "messing up peace".....why has no one mentioned what Israel is currently doing that is a move towards peace? Why always the issue of condemnation?
I don't think they are doing the right things. I honestly think that Sharon isn't planning for peace. Sharon is going to charged with war crimes charges when he stops being in power.
Peace in the region will come when all sides and "involved" parties really want a lasting peace. When? One can only imagine and wish.
I agree.
Originally posted by earthtone
Yet another terrible move by Sharon. This controversial West Bank barrier is another restriction on the opressed Palestinian people. The barrier, and related checkpoints, restricts Palestinians access to schools and medicare. This another step to destroying the hopes for peace. It's a disgrace.
[Edited on 023030p://555 by earthtone]
Originally posted by earthtone
�. however, the suicide bombings are a not a reason for the Isrealis to take away the rights of the Palestinian people. This will never solve anything. The Palestinian people are seriously opressed by the Isreali military and government.
Originally posted by earthtone
I don't think that anyone world power is taking the neccaserry steps to help the peace.
Originally posted by earthtone
I do not agree with Arafat either. I do not think that all Palestinians genuinly want the destruction of the Jews. They just don't want to be persecuted anymore. It's a sad situation, really sad. Everyone needs somone to blame.
Originally posted by earthtone
I don't think they are doing the right things. I honestly think that Sharon isn't planning for peace. Sharon is going to charged with war crimes charges when he stops being in power.
Originally posted by earthtone
Well I don't think there is any doubt that the world condemns the Palestinian suicide bombers. You have to see that when people lose everyone close to them and their life has been destroyed then they arw illing to give up their lives.
Originally posted by earthtone
It's sad that peoplechose to do such a wrong thing but itstems from the oppression that they have recieved at the hands of the Isrealis. I have spoken to many Palestinian people about their terrible experiances and I'm appauled by the way they are treated. This does not excuse the killing of innocents niether does it excuse Isreals disgusting treatment of Palestinians. Hopeless?