posted on Nov, 18 2005 @ 01:15 AM
I've felt for a long time that Moon is perhaps the most underrated player in modern NFL history. He was a fantastic CFL quarterback and had his best
years in Canada. Then, with his athletic prime behind him, he proceeded to have one of the best NFL QB careers ever. When you put the two together,
there are very few, if any, NFL QB's ever who should be considered Moon's superior.
I admit that's as specific as I'm qualified to be. I can't get into a real detailed, specific comparison like I could, for example, with: Josh
Gibson, Roy Campanella, Johnny Bench, Yogi Berra, Mickey Cochrane, Mike Piazza and Carlton Fisk. (My choices for the 7 greatest catchers in baseball
history, though the exact order after Gibson at #1 is a bear; my next 4 are the next 4 listed above.) Give me a day, and I'll come up with an
intelligent--though not necessarily "correct"--order in which to rate those 7 great catchers. I may change my mind about Bench v. Berra, or Cochrane
v. Piazza, or Piazza v. Fisk.
I cannot do the same with Baugh, Graham, Unitas, Fauts, Montana, Marino, Elway, Moon, Favre and Manning... or whoever the 10 greatest QB's of all time
are at this point, while we await another 2 or 3 years from Brady and a few other current greats. But here is a suggestion:
WHY DON'T THOSE OF YOU WHO ARE OLD ENOUGH, AND SUFFICIENTLY QUALIFIED, rate whichever 10 guys you decide are the all-time top NFL QB's, in order from
#10 up to #1? Any of this site's top football experts up for it? Many of us would love to see it.
Just off the top of my head, as someone who paid NO attention to football until 1976 and cannot intelligently rate immortals like Baugh, Graham or
even Unitas, here are the top 10 I've seen:
10. Dan Fouts (until Brady gets here, and it won't be long)
9. Terry Bradshaw
8. Peyton Manning (so far; obviously gonna get much higher)
7. Roger Staubach (probably higher if I'd seen more)
6. Warren Moon (based solely on what I saw in the NFL)
5. Steve Young (greatest rating ever, and a MUCH better regular
season QB than Montana, but not in playoffs)
4. Brett Favre (way too many INT's, or I'd have him #1)
3. Dan Marino (FB's Hank Aaron--unbelievable cumulative stats)
2. Joe Montana
1. John Elway (I'm not penalizing him for Reeves' idiocy)
OK, y'all, have a blast with me. I'm sure a hurricane of stats can be rained down on my choices, and the order in which I've arranged them, to make
them look preposterous. And I'm sure that if NFL players and coaches selected a 20-person panel of the greatest living experts to make this list
based on QB's since 1976, it would look nothing like mine and critics would skewer me and my list as idiotic.
I know this much: A QB's greatness cannot be measured in pure stats. Same goes for a pitcher, except that in Lefty Grove, Roger Clemens and the
still-gotta-long-way-to-go Pedro Martinez, we have three guys whose stats are so outrageously, enormously far ahead of the others that the stats
are pretty overwhelming proof. (Sorry, Walter Johnson, but you are one seriously overrated dude, and I'd love the chance to explain why to
I saw the second half of Bradshaw's career, the last 1/4 of Staubach's, almost all of Fouts', and all of the NFL portion of Moon's. I saw enough of
these guys to have plenty of spectating experience on which to base my opinions, and I do pay attention to football stats, though nothing like
But with that said, I simply don't see football with the kind of critical expertise that I do baseball, and I know it. I have read countless football
posts here, and it's obvious some of y'all DO have what genuinely could be called football expertise. I don't know if y'all are professional sports
journalists, or retired pro football players, or just real well-educated couch potatoes who've followed the game and studied its history your whole
lives--i.e., football equivalents of me in baseball.
But for whatever reason, I know that some of YOU know a hell of a lot more about football than I ever will. It's obvious from watching you compare
inside linebackers or right offensive guards or defensive styles in your posts. So I'm asking you, for purposes of my education....
PLEASE TAKE THE TIME TO THINK OUT, AND THEN LIST, YOUR TOP TEN N.F.L. QB'S OF ALL TIME, FROM #10 UP TO #1. PLEASE DO NOT CONSIDER COLLEGE, C.F.L. OR
U.S.F.L. FEATS IN THE PROCESS. PLEASE ONLY COUNT QB'S WHOSE CAREERS YOU HAVE WITNESSED SIGNIFICANT AMOUNTS OF, AND NOT JUST LEGENDS YOU'VE HEARD
ABOUT. WHEN POSSIBLE, PLEASE EXPLAIN YOUR RATINGS, ESPECIALLY IF YOU HAVE SOMETHING REALLY IDIOSYNCRATIC--LIKE BILL JAMES' RATING OF CRAIG BIGGIO AS
THE (approx.) 33RD GREATEST BASEBALL PLAYER OF ALL TIME (true story).
I'm don't just come to this site to spout off my baseball knowledge. PLENTY of other guys here, most notably Hooter, have every bit my knowledge of
baseball and its history, and I don't go to website to impress people I'll never meet, anyway. I really like this chance to learn about football from
people who know vastly more than I do about it. That description plainly applies to MANY of you, and I'd like you to enlighten me.