Originally posted by toejam
thanks for doing the research and posting the info, very interesting stuff, i'm glad that some of these old ballparks have been saved from the
wreckers ball, they are a part of our history and culture and should be preserved, but in this era of astronomical property prices too many are being
turned into condos and parking lots, do your books cover minor league parks as well? if so check out the late, great Red Wing Stadium, back in
Rochester NY, this is where i grew to love baseball, sitting in the stands with my dad watching some great players come through on the way to the
BIGS....Rochester has a great baseball history that goes back to the origins of the game
The book with few pictures, which is called "Ballparks of North America," has a TON of stuff on Rochester, NY. It has a brief paragraph on "The Flour
City Nine," "The Live Oaks" and in-town rivalries back to 1858, and then it has stuff on each of the following ballparks:
1. Hop Bitters Grounds, 1880-1886 or later;
2. Culver Field, 1886-1907;
3. Riverside Park, 1895-1897;
4. Jones Square, 1890;
5. Windsor Beach, 1890;
6. Ontario Beach Grounds, 1890-?;
7. Bay Street Park, 1908-1928, where "the outfield was big enough for cars and carriages to park out there" (a rival for Braves Field in those
8. Silver Stadium, a.k.a. Red Wing Stadium, 1929-the present (?).
As to many of these fields, it has only one or two sentences, or one or two brief paragraphs. As to Culver Field and your baby, Red Wing Stadium, it
has a lot of info.
Please let me know how many of these parks you want info about. Since I am not working tonight, I'm willing to provide at least a brief summary as
to ALL, and an extended summary as to two or three of these parks, including the long ones, if you like. It seems pretty clear you'd like all the
info on Red Wing Stadium, and if you say so, I'll give you all this book has to offer on that one
I will also MAIL IT TO YOU so you can look at the few b/w pictures, if you (like me) have a P.O. Box... and will promise to mail it back within a
month. The book has a close-up shot of the third base and left-field foul line seats; the same view from a much greater distance, giving a more
panoramic view; and an overhead view of the stadium, taken from above and beyond the right-center field fence. Apparently there were no bleachers in
fair territory, except down the left field line, but there were foul-territory seats all the way down both lines, and there was an upper deck which
went slightly past the infield on both sides.
TO THE REST OF Y'ALL---It should be obvious by now that although I know an iota or two about modern hoops history and modern football history, and
although I watch college and pro FB closely (albeit not through an expert's eyes), I know no other sport remotely like I do baseball.
But my offer to Toejam is not a solitary one. To those of you I have gotten to know pretty well--e.g., Gibbs, IA Clonz and the father whose fears I
share--I will send non-precious baseball materials, esp. non-precious books, if you need them. We have a closely-knit bunch of long-timers on here,
and although I may not like what I perceive to be some of y'all's politics--and I'm CERTAIN some of y'all feel that way about mine (except Gibbs,
after a remarkable email I sent him), I don't see any of the established regulars screwing me out of baseball books.
Now, don't ask for my autographed Lefty Grove card or anything like that, lol, but I may be persuaded to offer someone else something from my library
if I think they'd like it on a loan basis. And if I allude to something in my library, and one of you would like to read it, ask me. Just please
don't take it personally if I say, "I'm sorry, but please wait until we have known each other a little longer," or something to that effect. If I say
it, I'll mean it, and I'll get back to you when I'm ready. It probably won't be long.
That's a lot more than most baseball history fanatics would do, I assure you. And I don't say that to elicit any pats on my back; just so you'll
understand my situation. I live in the single most liberal town of over 15,00 people in this country, BAR NONE, and an African-American guy I thought
I knew well was all gung ho to learn about Oscar Charleston when I told him that Charleston was the only non-steroid user you could make a rational
case for as having been better than Babe Ruth. He talked me into lending him my biographies of not only Charleston, but also Satchell Paige (very
well-written) and Josh Gibson (poorly written).
I never got them back, and I learned a short time late from a disgusted co-worker of this guy's, also African-American, that he had known he was
leaving town in less than a week when he conned me into that "loan." He, the second guy, was a hardcore baseball fan himself. He listened to what I
told him about Charleston, voiced shame that as an African-American he'd never heard of the man, and said he'd love to find the thief for me and kick
his @ss, then read the books, then return them. And I know HE meant it.
Anyway, you'd think a guy like me, who played poker to get thru college and has since made a living practicing criminal law, would be OVERLY-jaded
about human nature. Most of the time I am. But the reason I presently don't own biographies of the three greatest players in Negro League
history--one of whom was clearly the greatest catcher ever; another of whom rivals Grove, Clemens, Pedro and Walter Johnson for the greatest pitcher
ever; and the last of whom seriously rivals Ruth (born only one year before him) as the greatest PLAYER ever (James rates him #4); is that a lying
thief ripped me off for those books.
So forgive me if I'm circumspect. But even so, these ballparks books are probably out of print, and I'm willing to loan them out to people I get to
know here. That's not TOO tight-@ssed, is it?