posted on Dec, 30 2005 @ 12:30 AM
For a longer version of Hootie's post, read mine up above. To compare Tejada's career offensive stats to those of Ramirez is to engage in a farce,
not unlike comparing the career stats of Dave Kingman and Stan Musial. Kingman leads by a large margin in HR percentage; Musial leads in, well,
everything else--mostly by tons.
Manny Ramirez is one of the greatest hitters who ever lived, unless and until he gets tarred with the same brush as Palmeiro, Bonds, McGwire, Sosa,
Canseco, etc. To date, there is ZERO evidence to tar Ramirez, and unlike Bonds he didn't magically get 300% better late in baseball life. Of the 11
seasons in which he has played 100 games, he hit over 100 RBI's 10 times, scored 90 runs 9 times, never had a slugging average below .538 (!!!), and
only had an OBP below .400 four times (.377 being the only one below .388).
His numbers have slipped very slightly the last few years, which is a natural progression at his age, though they've really only gone from superhuman
Yeah, he's a bad fielder, but he's not Lonnie Smith, Orlando Cepeda, Dave Kingman, etc., and he's got a small LF to hide in. His fielding probably
costs about 4 runs a year. (5, 4, 7 and 7 errors in the past 4 years; more realistically, that's about 2.5 extra runs over the average LF. His range
last year was about 1/35 worse than the average LF, which is probably mainly Fenway, with its tiny LF.
All of that costs his team, what, maybe 8-10 runs a year... in other words, about what Tejada costs by being 6% below league average in feilding % at
Now, compare the differences in their hitting stats, as I outlined them above. It's a joke. It's like taking the 1964 Giants--a team I really loved,
where our rabid fans insisted Jimmy Ray Hart, and not Richie Allen, should get Rookie of the Year (by far the two best Rookie 3B's in one year, ever,
but through adult eyes I can see Allen was by far the better of the two)--and saying Hart was Mays' equal.
Hart was a great slugger for a rookie, but, as was true throughout his career, an abominable fielder whose only CERTAIN inferior at that position was
Joel Youngblood. Any comparison between him and Willie was worse--far worse--than one between Mantle and Maris, and believe me, those are plenty
Regardless of what the future holds for both men....
Hootie has been kind in saying "Tejada is nowhere close to Manny as a hitter." For the reasons I've set out above, that's true, but it's overly kind.
Tejada is a terribly undisciplined hitter who has mediocre career stats. Of all the players with at least 10 FULL seasons and no known steroid
taint, Manny is #5 all time in career slugging--a huge stat--and of the five above him, three were born before 1910 (the Ruth-god, Gehrig and Foxx),
and the fourth was born during WW I (T. Williams).
Oh, and unlike other guys from his "we're-too-manly-to-take-walks part of the world, Ramirez has a whopping .409 career OBP, over half a run higher
than Tejada's sorry figure.
If Tejada had his current offensive stats and played SS like Ozzie used to, I would STILL like Ramirez better, as long as he stays clean and won't be
washed up any time soon. It would be a great deal tougher call, but that's how I'd make it, and before any of y'all call me insane, read what Bill
James documents about just how much good even a great, great SS can do in the field in one year. It may pop your eyes open. It sure did mine.