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Baseball: Barry Bonds over-hyped

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posted on Sep, 18 2005 @ 03:18 PM
That's a good point. We cant flat out say he's taken them wen we have no physical prrof.

posted on Sep, 18 2005 @ 03:34 PM
I'll use myself as an example.. I have a very weak upperbody, but strong lower body for basketball. Despite my lack in srength, my farthest HR wa hit in BP, which went 385. So that shows a fundamentally sound swing can bring a lot of power. This why I don't jump the gun on anyone. People who know from experience how it all works tend to share my views.

posted on Sep, 18 2005 @ 03:38 PM
steroids help legs too, and legs are the most important facotr for hitting

posted on Sep, 18 2005 @ 03:39 PM
Yes that's correct. You get all your power from your legs.

posted on Sep, 18 2005 @ 03:51 PM
I don't use legs... I barely take a step. I use waist, and I have a very fast swing, which makes my coaches think I'm trying to always hit it out. If and hen I do use my legs, which is a ball right down the gut, my coaces think I could get 400'. I don't think so though.

posted on Sep, 18 2005 @ 04:45 PM
Barry hit 705... if he gets to 710 this year, I say he finishes 750+.

posted on Sep, 19 2005 @ 09:56 PM
Bonds isn't overrated. Best player since Ruth. People don't realize how great he was.

posted on Sep, 20 2005 @ 11:52 AM
We will never know for sure if Bonds was on the juice or not. Lets say he was. Prior to the 90's when it wasn't banned in baseball(illegal in real life) fine..bonds is ok. IF HE DID IT. Now arfter it was banned whether or not steroids helped or not, he was in the wrong. It was illegal. And because of that trainer friend he had that said Bonds was using I think of Bonds as a cheat and a fraud. He broke the rules of the game.

I guess my whole perception of Bonds is dictated on the steroids thing. Will we ever know for sure if he took? I don't know. Why the hell wasn't B-Ball testing the crap out of him when the allegations first came out?

For the time being I say he is over-hyped until someone shows me some evidence that says otherwise.

Steroids do help your game. They make you more explosive and help you recover extremly fast from injury and fatigue. Didn't Bonds have some knee problems last year and was back inside of two weeks? Well why did it take him so long to recover this time?

posted on Sep, 20 2005 @ 05:28 PM
His former mistress said the he told her he was doing steroids, and she saw a lot of acne on his back, which sometimes can be caused from steroids

posted on Sep, 20 2005 @ 05:52 PM
You know how ex's can be... Id believe in talking squirrels before his ex-wife. And acne is common among athletes, or at least from most army players (basketball, football, etc) and other leagues I've been involved with. Bonds also just jacked #706 just a minute ago.

posted on Sep, 20 2005 @ 06:36 PM
i WOULD be tlaking to a squirrel if i was talking to my ex wife
but seriously folks, if Barry's story that he thought he was rubbing flaxseed oil on his body is true he is dumber than a door, i believe that he is so full of himself that he thinks all of us fans are dumber than the above mentioned door

posted on Sep, 20 2005 @ 07:35 PM
Giants pulled out a tough one against the Nationals. Bonds blasted 706, an Alou got a 3-run HR which allowed a 4-3 win. The Pads are losing to the Rockies 15-0 at the end of the 3rd inning!

Giants will have to hope for more inconsistent play by SD if their playoff hopes are to be realized.

posted on Sep, 20 2005 @ 08:06 PM

WASHINGTON -- Barry Bonds went to Washington on Tuesday and hit his 706th home run, another towering drive seven rows into the right-field upper deck at aging RFK Stadium.

He also had a message for members of Congress, who have told the leaders of Major League Baseball that the federal government will legislate a tougher drug-testing program in the sport if they don't.

"I think we have other issues in this country that are a lot more serious," said Bonds at a media conference prior to his first-ever appearance with the Giants against the Nationals in the nation's capital. "I think those efforts should be directed at taking care of that. Let's talk about all the athletes who helped the Hurricane Katrina relief efforts.

"Right now, people are losing lives and don't have homes. I think that's a little more serious, [actually] a lot more serious."

Bonds has homered in his last three games and is now eight in arrears of Babe Ruth's 714 and 49 behind Hank Aaron's 755. RFK Stadium, which opened in 1961 but hasn't seen baseball played regularly since the expansion Senators left after the 1971 season, is the 35th ballpark in which Bonds has homered.

Bonds' previous three homers, dating back to last Sept. 26, came against Dodgers pitchers. On Tuesday night, he smacked a 1-2 fastball with two out in the fourth inning off Nationals right-hander -- and former Giants teammate -- Livan Hernandez. The homer was his 62nd against the Nationals/Expos, which ties the team for second with the Dodgers for the most Bonds' homers against a particular team. The Padres have given up 80 taters to Bonds, who homered on Friday night against Brad Penny, took Saturday off and roughed up Taiwan native Hong Chin Kou on Sunday.

Bonds' pregame comments came as both houses of Congress have been investigating the use of performance-enhancing drugs in professional sports for the better part of the last four years. At present, there are bills in several committees of both the House and Senate that would mandate strict, Olympic-style penalties for any player testing positive for taking a host of steroid-based drugs -- two years for the first time and a lifetime ban for the second.

Peter Magowan, the Giants' managing general partner, who traveled to Washington with the team, also said on Sunday that he believes Congress has more pressing problems at the moment than baseball or Bonds.

"I absolutely do," said Magowan. "While Bonds is back there if they decided to do something, I'd be pretty disappointed. They have New Orleans to deal with. They have the confirmation hearings of Judge Roberts to deal with. It would shock me right now to see Congress get into this."

For nearly two months, the House Government Reform Committee has been studying whether to recall or rebuke Baltimore Orioles star Rafael Palmeiro because of his testimony under oath earlier this year that he had never taken performance-enhancing drugs. Palmeiro subsequently tested positive and was suspended for 10 days under MLB's current drug policy.

Palmeiro was subpoenaed to a hearing on Capitol Hill this past March, along with former and current stars Mark McGwire, Jose Canseco, Frank Thomas, Sammy Sosa and Curt Schilling. Jason Giambi was excused, and Bonds wasn't invited at the time, ostensibly because of the ongoing investigation into the Bay Area Laboratory Co-Operative (BALCO). Both were among a group of 10 players called by a San Francisco grand jury in December 2003, investigating BALCO for tax evasion and the sale of performance-enhancing drugs without a prescription.

Four men were indicted, including BALCO's founder, Victor Conte, and Greg Anderson, Bonds' former personal trainer. The case has since been settled.

Bonds said that he still considered Palmeiro a close friend, but that he hadn't spoken to him since the positive test was made public on Aug. 1.

"I've just been trying to get back with the team," said Bonds. "The only time I've ever hung out with him has been at a ballpark or if we've been on the Japan tour together. Something like that. I've played with him, with a lot of guys. When the season's over, they go their way and I go mine. And we'll see each other next year. We all had our own personal friends.

"I will always have respect for him as a person and a player, regardless."

Bonds was asked how many times he has been drug-tested and whether he would testify before a Congressional Committee, if asked.

To the latter question, he replied that he would have to speak to his lawyers before committing. To the former, he said that he's been tested under the auspices of the MLB program once a year for the last three years, in two parts over five to 10 days.

This year -- the first time the penalties for a first offense have been punitive -- Bonds obviously didn't test positive, because he wasn't suspended.

Although Bonds was on the disabled list for the first 142 games of the season, he was still eligible to be tested under rules of the collectively bargained program. He was tested earlier in the season when he was with the team at SBC Park before departing on June 24 for more than two months of rehabilitation on his thrice-repaired right knee.

Nationals manager Frank Robinson, who was critical of Palmeiro and said that his records should be expunged because of the positive drug test, wasn't so tough on Bonds during his own media conference on Monday.

"Has anything been proven that he used something illegal?" said the Hall of Famer. "If someone is proven to use steroids or performance-enhancing drugs, as far as I'm concerned, the numbers should be wiped out. But nothing has been proven with Barry Bonds. So you have to look at him like you would look at any other player who has had a terrific career and continues to add to that.

"It has been amazing what he has been able to do in the last four or five years, and even the career he had before that. He has seven MVPs. He's one of the best players that ever played the game -- offensively."

posted on Sep, 20 2005 @ 08:17 PM
i think that Barry should keep his mouth shut, play baseball and just be glad he has a job....from all indications he was using human growth hormones, not steroids, there is still no test for HGH in part because of Balco settling with the prosecuters, what a great opportunity all concerned lost when they couldn't get info from Balco in an open court, they should have been able to find a way to test for this stuff and also get an insight into whatever else is out there

posted on Sep, 20 2005 @ 08:31 PM
Just a quick thing about the article. If you wish to publish a news story on the site, do so in the News forum so everyone can see it easier.

You can look at some of mine in there for guidelines. Just paraphrase the article in your own words, then quote the first 3 or 4 paragraphs of the article, then the link of the site, then your own opinion. Again, you can just look at some of mine reference.

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