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Baseball: Your All-Star snubs?

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posted on Jul, 5 2004 @ 01:28 AM
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As always every year, there are some glaring All-Star snubs, my picks thus far:

Jose Guillen, Anaheim: batting about .300 with 60 RBIs, this guy has been carrying Anaheim.

Adrian Beltre, Dodgers: having a career year batting .327 with 21 home runs and 55 RBI and gold glove caliber fielding in an era where 3rd baseman are known more for their defense than offense.

Cesar Izturis, Dodgers: Gold glove at shortstop this year I think, absolutely the best at starting double plays and nothing gets past him. Plus he's hitting .300.


Of course I'm somewhat Southern-California biased, but feel free to post your own snubs.




posted on Jul, 5 2004 @ 02:23 AM
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I agree with all of yours Cannon. There are two guys on the Phillies that I definitely think should be there.

They selected Thome at 1B, he definitely deserved it.

They snubbed LHP Eric Milton who has an 11-2 record and also Bobby Abreu who's having a monster year at .304, 17 hr's, 56 rbi's, 17 sb's and a .444 OBP.


Ben

posted on Jul, 5 2004 @ 02:37 PM
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how come htese guys get snubed, they have put out enough production to get tin. Its sad to see them not in.


TRD

posted on Jul, 5 2004 @ 02:44 PM
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Anyone got the list?

I bet SS Jack Wilson got snubbed he is hitting .340-7-33 with five stolen bases and 21 doubles with 113 hits.

[Edited on 5/7/04 by TRD]



posted on Jul, 5 2004 @ 03:07 PM
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OF Bobby Abreu..304 avg...17 hr....56 rbi...17 sb....69 bb....66 runs


The OF's who made it:

Sammy Sosa......271 avg.....14 hr.....33 rbi....0 sb......27 bb....30 r

Krn Griffey.........246 avg......19 hr......55 rbi......1 sb......40 bb.....45 r

Miguel Cabrera......294 avg.....20 hr.....55 rbi.....2 sb.....32 bb.....55 r

Moises Alou...........286 avg.....19 hr.....49 rbi.....2 sb.....25 bb.....50 r

Lance Berkman.....304 avg.....16 hr.....59 rbi.....1 sb.....71 bb.....48 r


Any of them have better numbers than Abreu? Only OF with better numbers in the NL is Barry Bonds.


And I have no clue how they leave off Eric Milton with an 11-2 record.



Here is ESPN's All-Snub team:
sports.espn.go.com...





[Edited on 5-7-2004 by ProudAmerican]



posted on Jul, 5 2004 @ 04:14 PM
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Originally posted by Cannon

Cesar Izturis, Dodgers: Gold glove at shortstop this year I think, absolutely the best at starting double plays and nothing gets past him. Plus he's hitting .300.


No doubt he should be there over Barry Larkin. Larkin is a fossil and has had his share of AS appearances.



posted on Jul, 5 2004 @ 06:33 PM
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Fans vote in one last player from each league, you can vote here.

mlb.mlb.com...

Balloting begins on Sunday, July 4, 2004 and ends on Wednesday, July 7, 2004 at 8 PM ET.


NL

B. Abreu, PHI
S. Finley, ARI
J. Kendall, PIT
J. Pierre, FLA
A. Ramirez, CHC

AL

L. Ford, MIN
T. Hafner, CLE
P. Konerko, CWS
H. Matsui, NYY
F. Thomas, CWS


It let me vote over and over, I gave Abreu about 25 votes.




[Edited on 5-7-2004 by ProudAmerican]


TRD

posted on Jul, 5 2004 @ 06:37 PM
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Lol! i hit up 10 votes for him!



posted on Jul, 5 2004 @ 06:59 PM
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What surprises me the most is that LA and Philadelphia are big market teams.

You would think that players on these teams would have great chances of being voted in by fans simply because of their exposure, but some of the choices the fans have made simply do not make sense at all.



posted on Jul, 5 2004 @ 09:17 PM
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Originally posted by TRD
I bet SS Jack Wilson got snubbed he is hitting .340-7-33 with five stolen bases and 21 doubles with 113 hits.


Actually Jack Wilson made the team as the reserve SS.



posted on Jul, 5 2004 @ 10:38 PM
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Originally posted by ProudAmerican

Originally posted by TRD
I bet SS Jack Wilson got snubbed he is hitting .340-7-33 with five stolen bases and 21 doubles with 113 hits.


Actually Jack Wilson made the team as the reserve SS.


Yeah, but is the guy ahead of him hitting .340



posted on Jul, 5 2004 @ 10:55 PM
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Originally posted by sniper474
Yeah, but is the guy ahead of him hitting .340


No, actually Edgar Renteria is only hitting .283 but the fans voted him in.

I was actually disappointed to see 3/4 of the NL infield all from the Cardinals. Pujols and Rolen are no-brainers but Renteria certainly doesn't deserve the start but that's how it goes. The other player that rounds out the infield is 2B Jeff Kent, who is out with a bad hammy right now.



posted on Jul, 5 2004 @ 11:09 PM
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The problem with the fan system, is that nobody actually looks at the stats, and says, "This dude deserves it most." the say,"I like that guy so I will vote for him, even though he is hitting .208"

It's all about favourites now. Like Ken Griffey Jr. He was really good a while ago, and he made lots of fans, so even now, when he totally sucks, he gets voted in. No way in hell that the smart people who pick the rest of the players would pick him.



posted on Jul, 6 2004 @ 12:38 AM
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Originally posted by sniper474
The problem with the fan system, is that nobody actually looks at the stats, and says, "This dude deserves it most." the say,"I like that guy so I will vote for him, even though he is hitting .208"


The perfect example of that is when Nomar Garciaparra led AL shortstops in voting for the first 6 weeks of voting when he hadn't played one game yet due to an Achilles injury.

They at least finally got someone playing at the top when Jeter took over the lead but meanwhile down in Texas Michael Young is hitting .331 with 49 RBI and Jeter is at .282 and 40 RBI.

It will always be a popularity contest, but I at least wish the backups, who arent fan-voted, would be chosen more carefully. I know there's more than stats, but numbers never lie.


TRD

posted on Jul, 6 2004 @ 03:46 PM
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Originally posted by ProudAmerican

Originally posted by TRD
I bet SS Jack Wilson got snubbed he is hitting .340-7-33 with five stolen bases and 21 doubles with 113 hits.


Actually Jack Wilson made the team as the reserve SS.


Yea i noticed that...Thing is he has been hitting consistant all season so far and has put up good numbers. I think he is now hitting at .341



posted on Jul, 6 2004 @ 03:47 PM
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So what is an All-Star game, anyway? Is it for the fans to see thier favorite players, or is it for the best of the best to be given a chance to show off the goods? What is really more important?


TRD

posted on Jul, 6 2004 @ 03:52 PM
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Well i would say for the players to show off their stuff. Thats what the game is about 'The Player's'. Ok so everyone has their fav player's but that doesn't mean he is any good or playing well.

Over here in the UK football (soccer) they don't really care about what the fan's think. They may seem to on the surface but really it's all about the money......



posted on Jul, 6 2004 @ 04:33 PM
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Originally posted by Gibbs Baby!!!
So what is an All-Star game, anyway? Is it for the fans to see thier favorite players, or is it for the best of the best to be given a chance to show off the goods? What is really more important?


I'd say it's a little of both. That's why the fans vote the starters, so hopefully the fan favorites are represented but the reserves should be carefully chosen so that the players who are actually having all-star seasons get the honor of playing in the all-star game.

You're never going to make everybody happy, there will always be players who get snubbed, but every year there seems to be a few selections that just dont make much sense.



posted on Jul, 6 2004 @ 05:33 PM
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I don't think that the fans should choose anybody. They will be able to see the very best in Baseball anyway, so why bother.



posted on Jul, 6 2004 @ 09:50 PM
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Originally posted by sniper474
I don't think that the fans should choose anybody. They will be able to see the very best in Baseball anyway, so why bother.


But then who makes the decisions? Just by stats? There's more to the game than just statistics.




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