Kids taken 'cause parents read them the Bible/Constitution

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posted on Nov, 25 2003 @ 01:56 AM
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This happened in 1995, but I was wondering if anyone here knows what happened in this case?

10/12/96
COURT SEIZES CHILDREN

In the court of common pleas in the County of Northumberland,
Pennsylvania, two children were taken from their parents because, the
parents pass out what is termed anti-government booklets and the
Constitution and read the Bible without training. Leslie Bryden, an
Attorney for the government, stated in court that the parents
believed the Constitution was still relevant and that the parents read
the Bible to the children and that those kinds of things are a danger to
the children. Richard Medellin and his attorney, Herschel Lock entered
petitions against the parents stating that the
parents were mentally ill and read the Bible without having Religious
training. The children were taken from the parents without notification
and the Parents were not summoned to the custody proceedings.

The custody proceedings for the little girl were filed at 12:40 p.m. and
the order was signed at 1:58 p.m. It is unknown when the proceedings in
which the little boy was taken took place because that proceeding is
being kept secret and the only documentation available is a court Order.
Judge Ranck, who was involved in the taking, when asked, "How do you
take children away from parents without the parents
being notified?," responded, "You'll have to ask Attorney Jeffrey
Mensch." Attorney Jeffrey Mensch said that charges were made up due to
the mother not listening and that it is "just standard procedure to make
up charges." The Court transcripts have Judge Ranck stating that he
was reversing his previous Order but, he did not say that in court nor
did he reverse his Order. It is just a lie so that Judge Ranck can
cover himself.

The parents, Stephen Ames and Dawn Stoll, filed a Civil Rights action in
Federal Court against numerous State employees and attorneys, but
Federal Judge James F. McClure wrote in his Memorandum that political
and religious takings of children are within the authority of the State
and its personnel and dismissed the case. Stephen Ames also showed
documents to Tom Bowmen, who is an aide of Senator Arlen Specter. Tom
Bowmen responded by saying to Stephen Ames, "What the money powers want,
the money powers get and they don't want people reading the Bible or the
Constitution and you or your wife try to get custody of your children or
even visit they, you will spend the rest of your life in jail."
Children and Youth Services have taken steps to make sure that the
parents are not allowed to even visit the children. You can help this
family by spreading the word. Court transcripts and other documents are
available.
www.apfn.net...




posted on Nov, 25 2003 @ 02:10 AM
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Originally posted by jezebel
This happened in 1995, but I was wondering if anyone here knows what happened in this case?

10/12/96
COURT SEIZES CHILDREN

In the court of common pleas in the County of Northumberland,
Pennsylvania, two children were taken from their parents because, the
parents pass out what is termed anti-government booklets and the
Constitution and read the Bible without training. Leslie Bryden, an
Attorney for the government, stated in court that the parents
believed the Constitution was still relevant and that the parents read
the Bible to the children and that those kinds of things are a danger to
the children. Richard Medellin and his attorney, Herschel Lock entered
petitions against the parents stating that the
parents were mentally ill and read the Bible without having Religious
training. The children were taken from the parents without notification
and the Parents were not summoned to the custody proceedings.

The custody proceedings for the little girl were filed at 12:40 p.m. and
the order was signed at 1:58 p.m. It is unknown when the proceedings in
which the little boy was taken took place because that proceeding is
being kept secret and the only documentation available is a court Order.
Judge Ranck, who was involved in the taking, when asked, "How do you
take children away from parents without the parents
being notified?," responded, "You'll have to ask Attorney Jeffrey
Mensch." Attorney Jeffrey Mensch said that charges were made up due to
the mother not listening and that it is "just standard procedure to make
up charges." The Court transcripts have Judge Ranck stating that he
was reversing his previous Order but, he did not say that in court nor
did he reverse his Order. It is just a lie so that Judge Ranck can
cover himself.

The parents, Stephen Ames and Dawn Stoll, filed a Civil Rights action in
Federal Court against numerous State employees and attorneys, but
Federal Judge James F. McClure wrote in his Memorandum that political
and religious takings of children are within the authority of the State
and its personnel and dismissed the case. Stephen Ames also showed
documents to Tom Bowmen, who is an aide of Senator Arlen Specter. Tom
Bowmen responded by saying to Stephen Ames, "What the money powers want,
the money powers get and they don't want people reading the Bible or the
Constitution and you or your wife try to get custody of your children or
even visit they, you will spend the rest of your life in jail."
Children and Youth Services have taken steps to make sure that the
parents are not allowed to even visit the children. You can help this
family by spreading the word. Court transcripts and other documents are
available.
www.apfn.net...



Great article jezebel!

I didnt now about this.

What kind of courts do we have now???

OMG

we should do something about this fast.



posted on Nov, 25 2003 @ 02:22 AM
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very interesting indeed. i wonder if there are more facts to this case than are presented to us.



posted on Nov, 27 2003 @ 02:06 AM
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Here's a little more information about their case.

Stephen Ames is a History and Legal researcher, poet, philosopher, mathematician and an "Enemy of the State" for 20 of his 34 years. Although his deepest interest is in the Psychology of crowds and general beliefs, Law is a close second. Stephen's essays on Law are the work of true genius.

Stephen has been tortured, almost lobotomized, has received death threats, forced to ingest drugs and was declared mentally retarded and mentally ill for discovering many of the "laws" and publishing the facts listed above. Right now as you are reading this message Stephen Ames' mind is being destroyed. Stephen is under a court order to take the pharmaceuticals known as lithium, haldol and fluvoxamine (Luvox). According to the drug interaction information, when these three pharmaceuticals are taken together they cause organic brain damage as well as permanent organ damage. If Stephen does not obey the instructions of the psychiatrists, he will be incarcerated. He is tested on a periodic basis to assure the 'doctors' that he is taking the drugs, so his alternative is: to take the deadly combination of his own 'free will', or go to prison where they will force the drugs into his system by injection or enema.

Stephen is degenerating quickly. He is losing his memory. He is confused, disoriented and paranoid. He is always running a fever and has trouble controlling his bladder due to the pharmaceuticals. The pharmaceuticals are destroying his mind! He is so filled with terror that he very rarely leaves his apartment.

When Stephen entered the 7th grade he refused to do any school work and after one semester his parents placed him in a Private Christian School. This turned out to be a disaster. Stephen is still to this day traumatized from his experiences at the Christian School. Here is a brief excerpt from one of his essays about his experiences at the Christian School.

"When I was about 12 years of age, my parents sent me to a private christian school. I remember every Wednesday they had church service. I used to totally dread it especially at the end of the service. They would all start hallucinating and climbing on top of one another screaming, crying and praying. On Wednesdays we had to wear white shirts so everyone looked like a bunch of maggots on a dead ground hog along the road when they started Hallucinating. I remember sitting in the back by myself, just hoping no one noticed me but someone always did. They would come rushing back, their faces all red with tears streaming down their cheeks. They would grab me and crawl and rub all over me and they would be asking Jesus to remove the Evil spirits from me.

I am having a difficult time writing this now. I have tears streaming down my cheeks almost 20 years later. I wish I could make the pain go away but, I must face the fact that I live on this planet with billions of lunatics. I relive this Horror everyday. I just want to be free and be able to be me but, I now realize that hope is also a delusion and that the ability to reason is considered by the masses as a disease. Nothing is more dangerous than questioning General Beliefs or Defining words because, it causes one to become the target of every delusional being one comes in contact with. General beliefs are held to be sacred by the masses no matter how absurd they are. I have been alone my entire life and from what I see, I shall spend the rest of my life in total isolation with only my thoughts to keep me occupied. Love is not dead because, it has never existed. Where is the World I was promised as a child?"

www.iahf.com...
www.apfn.net...
I have searched all over the internet, but the only other thing I could find was a site with some of the father's essays. They were written from an insane asylum, but are very intelligent and the sources for his information are documented. Some of you may find them interesting.
www.apfn.org...

[Edited on 27-11-2003 by jezebel]



posted on Nov, 27 2003 @ 10:47 AM
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amazing ...i searched a bit myself and couldnt find anything current. last info i saw was 10/2001. if you find anything else please post!






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