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reply posted on 25-11-2003 @ 04:29 PM by Secado
I just had to comment. Not meant to offend.

The whole J. Major & Clinton thing. Speculation.

Your facts...this is true:
"On September 11th 2001, there was a “terrorist” attack on the United States, two planes had flown into the North and South World Trade Center, another plane hit the pentagon, and a final plane crashed in Pennsylvania believed to be on the way to Camp David."


"• No live cameras were pointed at the towers"
Right, there never was on any given day. People just don't tape buildings on a regular basis.

All the 11 number stuff...coincidence. You can do this numbers game with many things. I don't think all of these groups (from the US to terrorists) got together to plan this numbers thing.

They were American planes. And there was no "shot" from the plane. None of the terrorists had guns, and why would someone shoot? Break the glass? For a huge airplane?

There was no "pod". I have seen the video that day and many times since. No pod.

"The WTC buildings were designed to withstand the impact of a 707. A 707 is within 10 % of gross weight and fuel capacity of a 767. In the videos the buildings collapse in a fashion that is reminiscent of the controlled demolition of large buildings (like Las Vegas hotels). This is HIGHLY unlikely and defies the very laws of physics."
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Ummm...no. It is designed to withstand the impact (key word) and still stand. Even the explosion did not take it down. I will get to the fall...but it was the fire.

"What makes these collapses strange is the fact that the collapses are completely vertical which means the buildings goes down the path of HIGHEST RESISTANCE. It would be much more logical if the top part of the buildings tipped over to the sides."
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If you watch the strikes, the terrorists tried to hit the buildings from opposite sides to topple the buildings into each other. Instead, there was fire. the fire damaged one level of the structure causing the floor above to collapse into it. This sent a chain reaction down. Hence the collapse. Gravity is a bitch.

"The firemen’s radio transmissions are classified. Why? Did they talk about bombs going off in the buildings? The fact is that many eyewitnesses reported hearing explosions go off in the buildings."
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Yes, because they died and screams were heard. This is for the families of the heroes that they did not play them over and over.

"7 of the 20 hijackers have been confirmed to be still alive AFTER 9/11."
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Yes, some were to take another plane the same day and did not. Some were ground support, if you will.

"The government has claimed that passengers made cell phone calls from the hijacked airplanes. The airplanes at the time of those calls were flying at 20,000 ft or above. A study by a British Professor, making cell calls out of a fibreglass (non metal) private airplane has concluded that such calls were impossible above an altitude of 2000 ft above ground level!!!! If you’ve ever tried to make cell phone calls in an airplane you’d know that the phone simply will not get reception."
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I would love to hear the Profs name or see the study. I know this will not happen, but there are phones in ever seat headrest and yes, certain phones will work. I worked in the communications industry. There are many variables (height, coverage, phone model, technology, and finally carrier) and there is no way the "study" covered them all.

"Bush claims he saw the first airplane hit the first tower live on TV the morning of 9/11 (download above audio clip). The interesting thing is that the video of the first hit was not made public until after 9/11."
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Everything I have seen was that he was "told", not saw. Big difference.

"Bush was reading to a class at Booker Elementary School in Florida when the 2nd plane hit around 9:06 AM. His chief of staff informed him of the 2nd airplane by whispering something in his ear for about 5 seconds. By this time Bush MUST know that this is no “accident” (which is what he claimed he thought of the first hit), but rather a terrorist attack of unprecedented proportions. Yet Bush GAVE NO INSTRUCTIONS. EVEN MORE STRANGELY, the secret service does not intervene to protect him. Instead, Bush keeps reading with the children about a pet goat for another 20 minutes! Does this indicate just plain incompetence or prior knowledge? "
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No, the matter was in the hands of the crisis managers and the military. When he did leave, even AF1 took evasive action when the Camp David plane turned south (he was northbound from FL on AF1).

As for the jet fuel info. Correct but out of context. Jet fuel was the starter, but there were many other fuels to the fire (paint, wood, cleaning chemicals, etc) that add to the fire. Also, try looking at what happens to a fire in an enclosed space.

Passenger Lists - right. They are not considered passengers. Nobody wanted to see a terrorist name next to their loved one's name.

Small Impact Hole - right. The wings actually shear off. And they design them that way. Go figure.

In conclusion...I just cannot buy the conspiracy. I suppose this just shows that if you look hard enough and have the "want"...

You also missed that one of the terrorists was in prison in Isreal for a bombing. The US (led by Al Gore) brokered a deal to exchange prisoners with Palistine. That terrorist paid us back by flying a plane into tower one. Still, no conspiracy...jusy interesting.



reply posted on 26-11-2003 @ 11:49 AM by EastCoastKid
Originally posted by Dravenn
Holy #.. no pun intended, but i think that by reading this board, we are all more stupid than before we came into here. For one thing, that first paragraph doesn't have a single period in it at all... do you know what a period is for... it is not to end a sentence like school teaches you, It is a method to allow our eyes a break when we are reading # like this. I mean granted, you put some research into this and I honor you for this, but I really cannot see what you are trying to say.. Maybe if you had some periods, I could have understood things better, but I feel like my skull was just hit by a MAC truck.

Yes, the post is hard to follow.

This was no setup, no coverup from clinton..

Indeed. It is much larger than Clinton. He was but a useful idiot.

This is all bush and him and his fathers disire to rule the middle east. They are going to play the blame game in every Mid east country that they can other than Isreal because we have already blind folded them... Remember, 15 of the 19 terriorist from 9-11

Half of which are still alive.were Saudi, but the Royal Saudi family was allow to leave the US 2 days after the attacks... No questions... And what is worse.. they were allowed to fly out...and this was during the no fly time.

Actually, it was not the Saudi Royal family. It was Bin Laden's family. The Bush and Bin Laden's are business associates and a little too close for comfort, if you ask me.

So you tell me, you think bush had nothing to do with this and clinton and yogi bear set this up, all I can say is...... Ummm no... I have said this in a few post today and it is really starting to mean something to me.. So what the hell... We are in a Matrix ourself.... While we are in Zion, the rest are in the Matrix.... So forget what you know, find out hole deep the rabbit hole really is..

Friends, the hole is deeper than we can even imagine.

[Edited on 24-11-2003 by Dravenn]

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