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reply posted on 23-2-2006 @ 09:42 PM by ElOne
Why wouldn’t the ark have worked? It was made of wood [that floats] it was pitch lined both inside and outside [so it was double waterproof]. It had an open keel hole that came to within 18 inches of the roof on the inside of the ark. This was “air conditioning”. As the ark rose and fell on the waves the rising and falling water in this “keel hole” forced the air up and out of the ark on the rising phase and sucked air in on the falling phase of the water; keeping the air inside the ark at least tolerable and quite possible comfortable.

This is a literal translation from a Hebrew Bible
Gen 6: 16 “A light shalt thou make to the ark, and to a cubit shalt thou finish it upward; …….”
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So you explain to me why it didn’t work!

Bumble Bees aren’t suppose to fly either. Tell me how scientists can look into a telescope and see 4 billion years into the past. Scientifically that is impossible also. And don’t give me that light traveling at 186,000 miles per second “crap” I want to see science send a reflection of something into the future 4 billion years using only the light reflected off of the object. They cannot because of the impurities of our atmosphere and the particles in the way at that distance. Either each individual particle of light will have hit cosmic dust and be absorbed or deflected into another direction or the light waves will have been sufficiently diffused by the same dust that it would be at best an imperceivable blur.

There were "clean animals" on the ark of which there were "seven" pairs of each [male and female] Gen chapter 7:
[2] Take with you seven pairs of all clean animals, the male and his mate; and a pair of the animals that are not clean, the male and his mate;
[3] and seven pairs of the birds of the air also, male and female, to keep their kind alive upon the face of all the earth.
Clean animals are those that do not eat flesh. Unclean animals are those that eat flesh [carnivores]
At that time there weren’t the genetic problems of inbreeding that we have today. They were “pure strains” if you will. One of the reasons that every soul but Noah and his wife and sons and their wives was obliterated was because man had infected the animal genetic lines. Where mutations, and genetic disorders would have taken place. How do I know that! Read about Sodom and Gonorrah, then look around at what condition the animals are in today. Disease runs rampant among much of the animal species. Rabies, brucellosis, avian flu. Herpes simplexes, these are all human caused conditions. Mostly because of loss of habitat which includes nutritious food, and overcrowding and genetic mutation because of the loss of genetic stock.

As far as being all knowing and powerful prove to me that he isn’t. Nowhere in the Bible does it say God is infallible. In fact there are several that I can point out to you that indicate that he has made a few “miscalculations”. Eve’s influence on Adam, The serpent’s seduction of Eve, One of his Angels betraying him, the inability of Jesus’ disciple to understand what he was saying. Mark Mathew and Luke are full of “don’t you get it yet” quotes from Jesus to the disciples because they didn’t have a clue what he was saying and in Genesis 8:21 God says that man was inherently “evil”. YOU show me where in the Bible it says that God doesn’t make mistakes! He made the biggest blunder of all; he created man. Look around you. All of the problems here are from man’s hand; show me one thing that was caused directly and only because of another animal on this earth, Im not talking about an animal being an annoyance to us. I mean causing more harm than good.

Buddy! The message of the Bible is that we are going to burn in Hell. Me included. Im not perfect. There are some that are going to make it, but I can assure you that I am not one of them.

Im sorry for being wordy but I explained it as efficiently as I am able.



reply posted on 24-2-2006 @ 11:27 AM by ElOne
Im talking about how scientists looked into their hubble telescope and saw the beginning of the universe and more than one of them said, “ we are looking at the face of God”.

Mutations: life is a series of mutations. Scientists are just finding out that you can cause major genetic differences by “switching” genetic code on and off. Evolution is change. Mutation is change. Micro-evolution is change. The only time your not changing is when you are dead. Science has figured out that at the rate of cell repair in the human body every seven years or so, every cell in your body is different than those before.

Bugs: Im sure that all of the butterflies came from one bug kind and all ants from another.

Genesis chapter I
24] And God said, "Let the earth bring forth living creatures according to their kinds: cattle and creeping things and beasts of the earth according to their kinds." And it was so.

[25] And God made the beasts of the earth according to their kinds and the cattle according to their kinds, and everything that creeps upon the ground according to its kind. And God saw that it was good.

I would say that bugs would fall under the "creeping thing" kind

While you are laughing tell me how cows and fungi and birds and man came from the same speck of dirt from the big bang. How the same speck turned into a 60 ft whale, another speck into a worm, another into a butterfly,another into a turtle. Ill settle for an explanation of how a speck of dirt became conscious.

And another one bites the dust!


[edit on 24-2-2006 by ElOne]


reply posted on 25-2-2006 @ 08:54 AM by truthseeka
Originally posted by ElOne
Bugs: Im sure that all of the butterflies came from one bug kind and all ants from another.

Genesis chapter I
24] And God said, "Let the earth bring forth living creatures according to their kinds: cattle and creeping things and beasts of the earth according to their kinds." And it was so.

[25] And God made the beasts of the earth according to their kinds and the cattle according to their kinds, and everything that creeps upon the ground according to its kind. And God saw that it was good.

I would say that bugs would fall under the "creeping thing" kind

While you are laughing tell me how cows and fungi and birds and man came from the same speck of dirt from the big bang. How the same speck turned into a 60 ft whale, another speck into a worm, another into a butterfly,another into a turtle. Ill settle for an explanation of how a speck of dirt became conscious.

And another one bites the dust!


[edit on 24-2-2006 by ElOne]


OK...like Produkt said, stay in school!

OK, since you're "sure" that all butterflies came from one kind, please define "kind." I ask this because, well, where do moths fit in with this butterfly "kind?" Are moths from another kind insect? And as for ants...
. Tell me, how does the ant kind fit in with the wasp kind and the bee kind? How much can kinds break down, guy? Remember, you're "sure" that this happened.

As for the speck of dirt, don't make me laugh. Have you seen a planet, even a small one? By the time life rolled around, it was on a huge friggin piece of rock! Anyway, I have nothing to explain because you seem to believe basically the same thing; that your god took dust and made a man, then took the man's rib and made a woman. How these genetic clones went on to found the 6+ billion people alive today is beyond me...


reply posted on 25-2-2006 @ 10:07 PM by ElOne
"Since no one claims this, its pretty irrelevant."

It is quite relevant. We are talking about how we got here, on earth. You are an evolutionist. Which Im assuming means you evolved from the big bang of the Universe. The problem I have with that is that there “is” micro-evolution meaning that individuals of a particular species develop behavioral changes or adapt minimal alterations to their existing anatomy [cave dwelling animals become blind] to help them adjust to their environment if it helps them to survive. Im sure that there are adaptations that do not work and they don’t lead anywhere [albino].

“They have major genes that they share in common. How'd this happen is jesus made them out of clay?”

Where did you read that Jesus created living organisms out of clay? There is plenty of evidence in the Bible he brought the dead back to life and cured people of maladies including mental disorders; but I haven’t read anything about him creating anything. He was here to plant God’s seed. And from what I read he wasn’t able to find a single person o his disciples, except Mary Magdelan. And I haven’t uncovered any evidence yet that he passed it on to her.

“Oh you want proof of evolution how about the new H5N1 strain of bird flu that evolved with what looks like is going to become a devastating effect.”

Read Revelations, anyone who knows anything about the Bible will tell you it sure looks like we are in the “end times”. Which says there will be “pestilences” to wipe out millions if not billions of people. Besides this is “micro-evolution” an organism adapting to survive. If man successfully wipes out all of the chickens in the world to eliminate H5N1 it will survive by invading the cells of other species. Evolution takes place over millions of years, this is happening within a few years, definitely suggestive of a higher “thought” process and a definite purpose. Time will tell.

Science has no “proof” that single cell organisms evolved into multi-celled organisms. They have fossil evidence that they existed, the multi-cell after the single cell and they go on the assumption that one evolved from the other. Ask a “real” expert, one who devotes his/her life to the pursuit of biological evolutionary evidence. It is the “theory” of evolution because at this time it is the best explanation they can come up with. And Im telling you that the Bible clearly states that life did evolve on earth and that the evolution process was “created” by God.

“ElOne,
Interesting stuff. Could you provide a link so we can read the info in context? Is there actual science to it? We do prefer some sort of science to back opinions rather than bible references as not all of us are believers.
I would also like to know why your god spared Australia from the great flood? The animals [and people] on this continent have been slowly evolving uninterrupted and in isolation for millions of years.”

I double check and recheck anything I don’t understand, by “Googling”. I started out as a pure evolutionist, then by being open minded by nature, I discuss ideas with people that I meet who spend their life, in one discipline of science. A good place to start is with the Bible. There are online versions and online dictionaries too. I keep at least two explorer panes open at any time to check the validity of a word or fact. The problem with the Bible is that there are so many “interpretations” or versions that it is difficult to determine which is the most accurate. For the Old Testament I “Google” a Hebrew to English bible since it was written in Hebrew.
www.mechon-mamre.org... This site is one that I use. Read it like a story book. It is interesting. Then query any questions you have. I like Google, Im sure there are other deep web sites, Im comfortable with this one.
Im not selling anything. I get involved in these discussions because every once in a while I am stumped. And there is the possibility for me to learn. And here tonight, is one of them.
“I would also like to know why your god spared Australia from the great flood? The animals [and people] on this continent have been slowly evolving uninterrupted and in isolation for millions of years.”

I don’t know the answer to that one. Yet! But if there is an answer out there somewhere I will do my best to find it, and get back to you. My hat goes off to you. I am on a quest.
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