Originally posted by rogue1
Yeah right. The Spetznaz are crap, they seem to f up many of their operations. I don't know where all these myths come from about the Spetznaz, they are just glorified paratroopers.
They rate below most of the Western Special Forces.

I wouldnt say so myself, but hey thats your opinon so on you go.

How do you guys rate Singapore's SOF?

Originally posted by rogue1
don't know where all these myths come from about the Spetznaz,
They rate below most of the Western Special Forces.

Ive trained directly with Spetsnaz before...One has to remember the Spets as a whole are like the Army Rangers. There are smaller more specialized groups within the Spets which function like groups such as Delta Force. There are about 10000+ or so Spets troops, about 10% are considered elite. Those 10% are who I'm referring to as skilled. The rest are no more special than say a police SWAT team.

On an anecdotal note, I've been at training camp for martial arts, with Rangers, and SEALs, who have ALL said that theyve never seen people move so silently through the woods at night, hence the reason the SEAL was there to learn from SPETS. So when I say trust me that the ELITE spets are some of the best in the world, I mean it.

On a mission with all the backup technology, I would prefer to follow a SEAL or SBS/SAS, but if I were in a survival situation without all the fancy equipment, Id follow a Spets operator before anyone else..

Originally posted by spetsialnaya


Ive trained directly with Spetsnaz before...One has to remember the Spets as a whole are like the Army Rangers. There are smaller more specialized groups within the Spets which function like groups such as Delta Force. There are about 10000+ or so Spets troops, about 10% are considered elite. Those 10% are who I'm referring to as skilled. The rest are no more special than say a police SWAT team.

On an anecdotal note, I've been at training camp for martial arts, with Rangers, and SEALs, who have ALL said that theyve never seen people move so silently through the woods at night, hence the reason the SEAL was there to learn from SPETS. So when I say trust me that the ELITE spets are some of the best in the world, I mean it.

Hmmm, you've trained with the Rangers and SEALS, what unit did you serve with ?
You'll have to forgive me if I'm skeptical about what you claim. You need to provide more information on your background. As a person who's served in the military myself I know BS when I see it.

SO how come you were training with the SEALS ?

Moving silently through the woods isn't some super secret; there are only sooo many different ways to step; otherwise, it just takes constant skill and practice. The Native Americans could do it.

And land survival is land survival. I would think pretty much any country can have special operations forces great at land survival. It's just if they have ones that specialize in jungle warfare, mountain warfare, desert warfare, etc......be careful with these "former SEALs" you run into these days. There are more phony SEALs out there (literally) these days then real SEALs. It is almost getting out of control they even say.

Originally posted by browha
Just another interesting point...
the only guy in Afghanistan to win the Congressional Medal of Hono(u)r was a British SBS lad, who saved some American lives

What a load of complete and utter BS. No SAS soldier has been awarded a Medal of Honour no will mthey ever. That report is one of the biggest load of BS I've read so far.

It is common knowlege that the Brit media made up stories about the SAS in Afghanistan because the US didn't really need them and didn't assign any important missions for them. ONe of the biggest myths in the Brit press was this BS about SAS knife fighting in Tora Bora - a complete and utter fabrication.

It was the Americans who took back Qali-Jangi not the SAS

Originally posted by browha
In my opinion, it has to be the british SAS and SBS.
They regularly exchange soldiers with forces all across the globe, and a large percentage of those who are selected to exchange with the SAS are simply not up to it... Only the SAS and SBS, to my knowledge, require you to be able to walk 75 kilometres in a set time (educated guess, is around 20-22 hours from what I've read, but it's off the top of my head)

Well the ASAS for one.

On top of being required to pass the SAS standard selection, they have to do elite SBS 'training', for example, swim the length of an olympic swiming pool (or twice the length) without taking a breath.

Complete and utter BS

The SAS are trained to operate AS DEEP BEHIND ENEMY lines as necessary, able to go for weeks without resupply, trained to live off the land.
During Afghanistan, the British SF were required to lead the american units in combat because the americans lacked professionalism (for example, rumours about the Jessica Lynch case where they ran around with blanks
I think it took them around 17 minutes to clear out a whole embassy..

During Afghanistan, british forces were called in to replace American forces who were not up to scratch (for example, our lads had to replace some american marines or something on some mountain top. They had not prepared for it, via climatization, but were still required).

Now this is really a bald faced lie. The SAS saw FA action in Afghanistan, and they definately didn't lead the way for the Americans. As a matter of fact the US didn't really want the SAS there, hence why the SAS got bugger all missions and none which were important. The ASAS saw far more action than their Brit counterparts - FACT.

Another point, SAS train internationally (eg in jungles in Singapore, desert in Oman, in the Artic)
I dont -think- US Special Forces do, but correct me if I am wrong

Completely wrong - almost all Western SF's train overseas. To say the SAS are the only ones is arrogant and grossly misinformed - as it seems is most of your information.

US Special Operations forces train overseas, and they train and intermingle with other special ops forces too to learn from them. For example, the US Marines recently did training with the French Foreign Legion.

Originally posted by rogue1
What a load of complete and utter BS. No SAS soldier has been awarded a Medal of Honour no will mthey ever. That report is one of the biggest load of BS I've read so far.

...actually its true, saveing two CIA well one since the other was KIA at that point.
The SAS fireteam arrived , then saved the CIA man and helped take back the fort. The fort was rather stupidly guarded by only 50 men while there was 200+ prisonors.
Also they took back the fort with help from the local forces might I add, you may want to look up there.

It is common knowlege that the Brit media made up stories about the SAS in Afghanistan because the US didn't really need them and didn't assign any important missions for them.

They didnt assign them to guard the CIA team in the first place, they where passing by.

Really, so thats why it was an american team that made the film that I saw it on?

Originally posted by devilwasp

Originally posted by rogue1
What a load of complete and utter BS. No SAS soldier has been awarded a Medal of Honour no will mthey ever. That report is one of the biggest load of BS I've read so far.

...actually its true, saveing two CIA well one since the other was KIA at that point.
The SAS fireteam arrived , then saved the CIA man and helped take back the fort. The fort was rather stupidly guarded by only 50 men while there was 200+ prisonors.
Also they took back the fort with help from the local forces might I add, you may want to look up there.

Ummm....nah. The Medal of Honor was never awarded to an SAS/SBS soldier - NEVER !!!

The only British soldier to recieve a MOH is the Unknown Soldier just as the Brits have awarded a VC to the US Unknown Soldier.

They each have their own unique mission, basically. If you're a hostage, for example, you would want Delta Force to storm in and break you out.

Are you mad. No matter where i was on the planet i would want the SAS to get me out of any hoatage situation.
Do you realise how successful the siege of the Iranian Embassy was???????

I am part of an LAV unit in the United States Marine Corps, and I personally believe it would be a close call between the SEALs and Force Recon. I have trained with both before and I believe they are both equally capable of any task. Although I have never done more than meet people in the Special Forces, I'm sure they get the job done as well. Of course my choice would be Force Recon though.

C'mon folks, there is NO SUCH THING as a "best special forces" as they're all trained to do different things!!!

That is why there are so many of them. There are a lot of Special Operations forces in the U.S. military alone, and then a lot more Special Operations-capable forces (Marine Force Recon being one of these).

And other countries have their own as well.

Originally posted by rogue1
Ummm....nah. The Medal of Honor was never awarded to an SAS/SBS soldier - NEVER !!!

The only British soldier to recieve a MOH is the Unknown Soldier just as the Brits have awarded a VC to the US Unknown Soldier.

That , "unkown soldier" IS a SBS NCO in charge of the 6 man patrol (sorry for messing up the number..got the book here the now.)
It happened ,at Qala-i-Jangi.

I agree with broad, we all have our opinions on who's best.
Any how we all know the best special forces are the paramedics..

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Originally posted by devilwasp

Originally posted by rogue1
Ummm....nah. The Medal of Honor was never awarded to an SAS/SBS soldier - NEVER !!!

The only British soldier to recieve a MOH is the Unknown Soldier just as the Brits have awarded a VC to the US Unknown Soldier.

That , "unkown soldier" IS a SBS NCO in charge of the 6 man patrol (sorry for messing up the number..got the book here the now.)
It happened ,at Qala-i-Jangi.

Umm NO the unknown soildier is all the soldiers who have fallen during war but have never been identified. I don't what you're talking about the SBS being an unknown soldier, but no SBS soldier was ever awarded a MOH - NONE !!!!!!!!!!!!

You still are trumpeting this with absolutely no proof - no doubt you've been desperately trolling the net to find some reference to it - but ibviously you have found none. So why persist with this obvious fallacy ?

Originally posted by rogue1
Umm NO the unknown soildier is all the soldiers who have fallen during war but have never been identified. I don't what you're talking about the SBS being an unknown soldier, but no SBS soldier was ever awarded a MOH - NONE !!!!!!!!!!!!

They have and its well documented.

You still are trumpeting this with absolutely no proof - no doubt you've been desperately trolling the net to find some reference to it - but ibviously you have found none. So why persist with this obvious fallacy ?

I do have proof hell I have the book here, i have never been asked to back it up.
You want me to back it up?
I will if you want me to.
Also I am not a troll, thats why I dont post in these threads anymore...

[edit on 20-2-2005 by devilwasp]

Originally posted by devilwasp

Originally posted by rogue1
Umm NO the unknown soildier is all the soldiers who have fallen during war but have never been identified. I don't what you're talking about the SBS being an unknown soldier, but no SBS soldier was ever awarded a MOH - NONE !!!!!!!!!!!!

They have and its well documented.

You still are trumpeting this with absolutely no proof - no doubt you've been desperately trolling the net to find some reference to it - but ibviously you have found none. So why persist with this obvious fallacy ?

I do have proof hell I have the book here, i have never been asked to back it up.
You want me to back it up?
I will if you want me to.
Also I am not a troll, thats why I dont post in these threads anymore...

[edit on 20-2-2005 by devilwasp]

If it did happen there would be countless links on the net - but you have been unable to provide even one. SO where is the proof ? I'm waiting and have been for quite some time.

Originally posted by rogue1
If it did happen there would be countless links on the net - but you have been unable to provide even one. SO where is the proof ? I'm waiting and have been for quite some time.

As I have said , I have never been asked for it.
"you dont ask for anything, you dont get anything"
Its actually in a book , "SBS, The inside story of the special boat service" by John Parker, who has also done a book on the "desert rats" as well.

There are many accounts of the battle but almost all suggest it was an SAS group going in.


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