Special Forces - who's the best?, page 21
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reply posted on 22-1-2010 @ 12:33 PM by ProUSA
reply to post by The_Archangel



In my studies, and I'm sure you'll agree, you'll find that most SF casualties are of no fault by the operators, but mostly the one's giving the orders. It's always sad to hear about SF soldiers being killed in battle, or any soldiers for that matter.

The Unit was a great show, by the way


reply posted on 22-1-2010 @ 01:47 PM by The_Archangel
reply to post by ProUSA



Many of the casualties in this war have been as a result of the incessant need for intel whatever the cost. This mean operators are forced into a position where full assesments cannot be made on individual situations.

A well known British example of this was the infamous Bravo Two Zero incident where their gung-ho commander failled to heed the advice of his team members and pull of the task and where one of the sister callsigns who did lead the way to their team leader being marginalised and branded as 'weak' by certain peers but who, in realitiy, took the right option.


reply posted on 22-1-2010 @ 01:54 PM by ProUSA
Originally posted by The_Archangel
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post by ProUSA



Many of the casualties in this war have been as a result of the incessant need for intel whatever the cost. This mean operators are forced into a position where full assesments cannot be made on individual situations.



I agree.

The unrelenting "necessity" of intelligence puts our SF in dangerous locations, where the unknown is the only thing known. That sounds a little cheesy, but it's the truth.

Elite soldiers are put into territory that's virtually uncharted and extremely dangerous due to the unknown threats that reside there.


reply posted on 22-1-2010 @ 11:24 PM by The_Archangel
reply to post by ProUSA



The problem with this form of opertion means that the guys on the ground end up despondent, weary and prone to error. I know from experiance that many guys have taken 'sabbaticals' to earn money on the Private Security circuit to step of treadmill of operational tours.


reply posted on 22-1-2010 @ 11:54 PM by The_Archangel
reply to post by Lolliek



You biase is only natural and good to see but Rangers are not strictly Special Forces. They are the 'muscle' brought in to support SF tasks in the same way that the British SAS/SBS/SRR use the newly formed SFSG (1 PARA).


reply posted on 26-10-2010 @ 04:29 PM by hoot9
reply to post by funlovincriminal



Well we wouldn't know anything much about the types of equipments that Special Forces Units and operators use in the field. Remember most of their activities and operations are always kept a secret and away from the public. But the SAS is one of the best around I have read about their selection courses and testimonies from retired operators about their time and life as SF operators.



reply posted on 26-10-2010 @ 04:37 PM by hoot9
reply to post by The_Archangel



yes quiet true the US Army Rangers are not fully special forces operators as yet but their training to qualify as a Ranger is very demanding from Ranger School. They are similar to the Royal Marines in the UK who also support SBS and SAS during operations and raids. Most Rangers and RMs later become candidates for special forces and further as SF operators.


reply posted on 26-10-2010 @ 04:45 PM by hoot9
reply to post by The_Archangel



I would recommend DEVGRU they are truly experts in all and have one of the most demanding special forces training courses in the world and any military has to offer.


reply posted on 26-10-2010 @ 04:55 PM by hoot9
reply to post by hurst85



to me the operators should get all the credit minus the name of the units they belong to whether SFOD-D, SAS, SBS, DEVGRU etc etc


reply posted on 26-10-2010 @ 05:00 PM by hoot9
reply to post by ProUSA



I agree as well. Intel passed from the top is like bags of shrimps these are people who sit around in air conditioned offices in comfortable chairs and expect our SF operators to complete tasks that sometimes intel is soo unreliable resulting in heavy casualties and further loss of life.
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