U.N. group seeks control of Internet

This is an article from the Washington Times discussing a U.N. group led by China, Russia, Saudi Arabia, Brazil and India, who want to be in control of the internet. Imagine that? Three of the five countries mentioned have heinous human rights records and are the last fukken countries on earth I would let be in charge of the exchange of information. This is insane. So far our government is opposed. They better that way.



U.N. group seeks control of Internet


By John Zarocostas
THE WASHINGTON TIMES



GENEVA � Governments spearheaded by China, Brazil, India, Russia and Saudi Arabia are trying to place the Internet under the control of the United Nations or its member governments, a move that the United States and other developed countries are determined to resist.
The issue has cropped up in preparatory talks for a world summit on the information society to be held from Dec. 10 to 12 in Geneva, with the stated goal of advancing the management and worldwide use of the Internet, especially in poorer nations.
Delegates from rich and developing nations remained divided on the matter at the end of the latest round of talks on Friday, senior diplomats said.
"We will continue to fight hard to ensure that Internet governance remains a balanced enterprise among all stakeholders and continues to be private-sector-led," said the chief of the U.S. delegation, Ambassador David A. Gross.
Pierre Gagne, executive director of the world summit, earlier identified control of the Internet as one of two key issues in the talks, adding that control and financial issues "will probably be the last issues to be resolved" at the summit.
The rest:
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[Edited on 19-09-2003 by EastCoastKid]

OVER MY DEAD BODY.

The thought of it is outrageous. I cannot believe they would even suggest it. On this, I'd be willing to oppose the rest of the U.N. for sure.

Just for that we should slip a few forbidden porno sites into the Saudi region, and some pro-freedom sites into China.

Originally posted by nathraq
Just for that we should slip a few forbidden porno sites into the Saudi region, and some pro-freedom sites into China.

Good one! Porn - Saudi! Freedom - China! Those Wahabbis would freak the fock out!

The Saudis kids spend most of thier computer time hacking anyway, trying to get into the porno sites.

I think someone should spam the hell out of Saudi govornment emails with nude pictures of barbara Bush.

That will divert them from any future internet tyranny aspirations!

I honnestly don't think at this point the internet can be controlled. Hell if just two countries having major backbones running through them were to shut off access to that network segment for the controlled segment of the internet, it could cause hell trying to reroute all that traffic through another area, which probably wouldnt be equipped to handle that much in the first place. Even if they do put the internet under some kind of control, you will still have areas even they cant touch, or completely separate networks that dont fall under their control.

Originally posted by Skadi_the_Evil_Elf
The Saudis kids spend most of thier computer time hacking anyway, trying to get into the porno sites.

I think someone should spam the hell out of Saudi govornment emails with nude pictures of barbara Bush.

That will divert them from any future internet tyranny aspirations!

okay group... this might be a dumb question and everybody who has ever used a computer probably knows the answer.... but

who does control the internet ? I'm serious, where are the servers and computers located, who maintains and programs ???

Don't laugh at me,
when I was in school, the commodore 64 was the hot item.. I first used a Tandy 1000 ( or something like it )
I never owned a computer until 1996.... didn't get connected to the internet until 1997.
So I really am asking a sincere question here.

thanks

hmmmm if I understand that article correctly its not those 5 countries that want to control the internet, they are only suggesting that UN, as in over 200 countries, should form a body to control it, more goverment involvment, less private sector there. I quote from the article:
" The Internet, at present, is loosely managed by a private organization in California named the Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers, which coordinates such matters as Internet servers and domain names. "
" Countries with developing and emerging economies would like to hand over that authority to a U.N. agency, such as the International Telecommunications Union (ITU). "

On one side, internet is the only true free medium left, with all the classic info sources being manipulated by corporations, goverments, etc, etc.
On the other side, no control over internet has led to massive spread of crime online, like child traficking and pornography. To stop those, we would have to let goverments have more control of www and legal access to private informations and data on the internet to try to catch those criminals.

elevatedone > its not a stupid qutestion. Actually control of the internet is a very odd concept. There are 13 Primary DNS servers if I remember correctly that filter down to all the other lower DNS servers, allowing resolution of domain names such as www.gooogle.com to the corresponding IP address 216.239.41.99 As for controlling groups, the IANA is the primary controlling body. Through RFCs (Request For Comment) new internet standars like IPv6 and other various protocols are developed. Also ISPs like UUnet and AlterNet control major internet backbone lines that feed off to smaller ISPs like Verizon, AOL, MSN, and others.

Let them have it.... We'll all be on Internet2 soon anyway.

Originally posted by elevatedone
okay group... this might be a dumb question and everybody who has ever used a computer probably knows the answer.... but

who does control the internet ? I'm serious, where are the servers and computers located, who maintains and programs ???

Don't laugh at me,
when I was in school, the commodore 64 was the hot item.. I first used a Tandy 1000 ( or something like it )
I never owned a computer until 1996.... didn't get connected to the internet until 1997.
So I really am asking a sincere question here.

thanks

From the article:

The Internet, at present, is loosely managed by a private organization in California named the Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers, which coordinates such matters as Internet servers and domain names.

MORE U.N./GOVERNMENT CONTROL IS BAD, BAD, BAD.
Look at the human rights abuses committed by these leading proponents of U.N. control. Don't think for a minute these countries have altruistic motives. They want to control content, pure and simple. They want to control the flow of information.

CENSORSHIP IS EVIL!


[Edited on 19-09-2003 by EastCoastKid]

thanks guys. I guess it's true, you learn something new everyday.

Is there really an internet2 coming ?

Since joining the online cummunity a few years back, I always though, whats next... this can't be it... ???

Originally posted by elevatedone
thanks guys. I guess it's true, you learn something new everyday.

Is there really an internet2 coming ?

Since joining the online cummunity a few years back, I always though, whats next... this can't be it... ???

Did you know that for years before the internet existed - as we know it, or commercially, I should say, the military used it? That goes for just about anything technological.

Originally posted by Zzub
Let them have it.... We'll all be on Internet2 soon anyway.

yeah, i wouldn't doubt it.

Originally posted by elevatedone
okay group... this might be a dumb question and everybody who has ever used a computer probably knows the answer.... but

who does control the internet ? I'm serious, where are the servers and computers located, who maintains and programs ???

Don't laugh at me,
when I was in school, the commodore 64 was the hot item.. I first used a Tandy 1000 ( or something like it )
I never owned a computer until 1996.... didn't get connected to the internet until 1997.
So I really am asking a sincere question here.

thanks

well....i, for one am able to answer that question(got connected in 2000, damn....look at kids' these days!!
the hdqrtrs are located in several points around the world for traficking, you are simply UNABLE to miss out any one of these points...
1st and most important one is located in london.
2nd, in the U.S, i have reason to believe it's original location to be the same, they claim to have moved to NYC from texas(im not sure if it was txs:@@
^^^that would render renting prices a lot higher, they wouldnt do anything so stupid, therefore it is likely they're still based there.
the third one is based in australia, i wonder y
covering hemispheres seems to have been thrown as a duty upon the aussies
why would i be answering your post in such an open manner?
i believe it is best to keep information out in the open/circulating.
am i over my head with all this?
nope>>>> check out this proggy i used to use back in 2001...download.com.com...
In god we trust
Cyrus