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reply posted on 19-11-2003 @ 08:18 AM by Skadi_the_Evil_Elf
Fair enough, Astrocreep.

I do not have a political side either, other than a growing hatred of the War Pig republicans.

I have spent time in the middle east, as you know, and have had a look into the Muslim world.

The majority of Muslims are like the majority of Christians. Want to convert people, but aint gonna go and kill them to do it. You have a few muslim idiots who wish the grand jihad. Do I believe they want to? yes. Do I believe they can? No.

So, we have people who want to take over the world but are incapable of it. They can hit us with small scale attacks and #. But thier numbers are small, only one in6 people in the world is Muslim. You forget the greater world at hand.

For instance, East Asia pretty much finds Christianity and islam to be stupid. The chinese, japanese, Koreans, all pretty anti Muslim. Anti Christian too.

Latin America is heavily Catholic.

They might take over Europe, at the rate they have immigrated there. Its very possible. But, the Muslims simply cant pull off a world wide takeover. They try.

These fanatics who scream jihad are alot of talk and very little action. A bombing here, a bombing there. Thats about it.

Muslims are not gonna take over the world. I do not fear this. Muslims, the extreme ones, if they dont get thier # together soon, are gonna doom thier entire people.

That said, It is worthy of notice that Saddam was NOT a Muslim leader, and until the Iraq invasion, was reviled and cursed by the rest of the Arab world for his godless socialism and threatening the rest of the world. he was an Arab Nationalist. he slaughtered many muslim fanatics and clerics. His govornment and regime were very secular, with Allah and religous references thrown around in his speeches and broadcasts for the sake of propoganda. Not all Arabs are in cahhots, you know, there is MUCH infighting. Most Arabs hate the saudis, the greasy rat # that they are.

So no, again, I do not believe in the connection between the two.

I oppose this war because its dangerous for America, and Bush is a blithering retard madman who is being puppeted by his evil cabinet of muderers and tyrants: Cheney, Rumsfeld, and Asscroft.


reply posted on 19-11-2003 @ 08:21 AM by Bout Time
Originally posted by astrocreep
There is nothing patriotic about it. It doesn't just include Americans or Britains or Germans or any other nationality. Its a global campaign of mass genocide. ..and our government contradicts itself on a minute by minute basis. This proves one thing and one thing only to me, that our government is well aware of the big picture but doesn't want the full scope known. Why? Probably because they plan to use it to some ill gotten advantage..but they fail to understand just what danger they're dealing with. If the world was officially told what fate was planned for all of us, it would cause mass hysteria and violence so the powers that be plan to keep the problem in check by making excuses which allow them to attempt to contain the problem without actually admitting its severity. No, I hold no allegence to the Bush's but I will not pretend this war isn't being waged nor what its eventual goal is. I am patriotic to the ideology which founded my nation and all those who died to protect it but I will not deny that we are being lied to.


Astro

This is somewhat off topic, but could you start a thread on the genocide angle I've seen you mention in several posts? I would think it very fascinating to hear your views on that, as there was something mentioned about 2012 on another topic that has had me thinking about some end game in motion type of perspective.

Thanks



reply posted on 19-11-2003 @ 08:31 AM by astrocreep
Originally posted by Skadi_the_Evil_Elf
Fair enough, Astrocreep.

I do not have a political side either, other than a growing hatred of the War Pig republicans.

I have spent time in the middle east, as you know, and have had a look into the Muslim world.

The majority of Muslims are like the majority of Christians. Want to convert people, but aint gonna go and kill them to do it. You have a few muslim idiots who wish the grand jihad. Do I believe they want to? yes. Do I believe they can? No.

So, we have people who want to take over the world but are incapable of it. They can hit us with small scale attacks and #. But thier numbers are small, only one in6 people in the world is Muslim. You forget the greater world at hand.

For instance, East Asia pretty much finds Christianity and islam to be stupid. The chinese, japanese, Koreans, all pretty anti Muslim. Anti Christian too.

Latin America is heavily Catholic.

They might take over Europe, at the rate they have immigrated there. Its very possible. But, the Muslims simply cant pull off a world wide takeover. They try.

These fanatics who scream jihad are alot of talk and very little action. A bombing here, a bombing there. Thats about it.

Muslims are not gonna take over the world. I do not fear this. Muslims, the extreme ones, if they dont get thier # together soon, are gonna doom thier entire people.

That said, It is worthy of notice that Saddam was NOT a Muslim leader, and until the Iraq invasion, was reviled and cursed by the rest of the Arab world for his godless socialism and threatening the rest of the world. he was an Arab Nationalist. he slaughtered many muslim fanatics and clerics. His govornment and regime were very secular, with Allah and religous references thrown around in his speeches and broadcasts for the sake of propoganda. Not all Arabs are in cahhots, you know, there is MUCH infighting. Most Arabs hate the saudis, the greasy rat # that they are.

So no, again, I do not believe in the connection between the two.

I oppose this war because its dangerous for America, and Bush is a blithering retard madman who is being puppeted by his evil cabinet of muderers and tyrants: Cheney, Rumsfeld, and Asscroft.


You seem to have a good handle on your reasoning Skadi and I have a lot of respect for you. I hope you won't mind if I don't bet the farm on it though. Like I said before, if I'm right, it makes little difference at this point whether it's believed or not....and if you're right..I only pray you are...then its no sweat, huh?


reply posted on 19-11-2003 @ 08:37 AM by astrocreep
Originally posted by Bout Time
Originally posted by astrocreep
There is nothing patriotic about it. It doesn't just include Americans or Britains or Germans or any other nationality. Its a global campaign of mass genocide. ..and our government contradicts itself on a minute by minute basis. This proves one thing and one thing only to me, that our government is well aware of the big picture but doesn't want the full scope known. Why? Probably because they plan to use it to some ill gotten advantage..but they fail to understand just what danger they're dealing with. If the world was officially told what fate was planned for all of us, it would cause mass hysteria and violence so the powers that be plan to keep the problem in check by making excuses which allow them to attempt to contain the problem without actually admitting its severity. No, I hold no allegence to the Bush's but I will not pretend this war isn't being waged nor what its eventual goal is. I am patriotic to the ideology which founded my nation and all those who died to protect it but I will not deny that we are being lied to.


Astro

This is somewhat off topic, but could you start a thread on the genocide angle I've seen you mention in several posts? I would think it very fascinating to hear your views on that, as there was something mentioned about 2012 on another topic that has had me thinking about some end game in motion type of perspective.

Thanks


Not really much more I can say about it Bout Time. I don't think I've stuttered and its such a protected secret, it would likely be little more than a thread of personal attacks to draw attention away from the topic. Not that I mind that but being I live in the United States of the Offended, some politically incorrect language could break out and someone could get their feelings hurt and from my last (and I do mean last because I'm outta here after this week) week long sensitivity training course, I know that thats not a good thing so lets just leave it at that.


reply posted on 19-11-2003 @ 09:04 AM by Skadi_the_Evil_Elf
Hopefully, astrocreep, we are both wrong, and this whole mess is a drug induced nightmare.

Islam is similar to christianity, and thus, is a danger because of its my way or the highway mentality that cannot allow co existance. Tho it generally violates the letter of both religions to do so.

Christianity is suppsoed to support free will, and Islam has to be embraced, but the idiots who run both religions seem to forget this.

I wont say islam is totally harmless. but as far as threats go, its VERY low on my list.

My worries as far as dangers to America is our govornment, the IRS, Federal reserve, the burocracies, our troops strecthed thin, our debt growing high, our economy shaking, our dependance on oil....and the attitude of the world towards us...these things worry me.

If we took care of all but the last of the above problems, we would need to fear nothing.

Look at it this way. If we brought our troops home, strengthened our military HERE, patroled our borders, cleaned up our filthy govornment, got rid of the assholes, and invested in America and stopped selling our tech to everyone and thier hamster.........

Then lets say Muslims did take over Europe. And they did decide they were gonna come against us. If we would fix our own damn country and let the rest of the world deal with its crap, than Muslim could own the whole #ing hemisphere of the east, and still be no threat to us, because we would have fixed ourselves, cut them off, strenghtened ourselves, secured ourselves, that thier ambitions would get cut down.
Muslims just might take over Europe. Even if they did, with the issues and infighting they have, i doubt that they could ever get it together long enough to sucessfully launch anything.

If the Saudi Army is indication of what a Muslim army would be like, id be impressed if they turn a missle launcher on without blowing themselves up in the process.


reply posted on 19-11-2003 @ 09:19 AM by astrocreep
Originally posted by Skadi_the_Evil_Elf
Hopefully, astrocreep, we are both wrong, and this whole mess is a drug induced nightmare.

Islam is similar to christianity, and thus, is a danger because of its my way or the highway mentality that cannot allow co existance. Tho it generally violates the letter of both religions to do so.

Christianity is suppsoed to support free will, and Islam has to be embraced, but the idiots who run both religions seem to forget this.

I wont say islam is totally harmless. but as far as threats go, its VERY low on my list.

My worries as far as dangers to America is our govornment, the IRS, Federal reserve, the burocracies, our troops strecthed thin, our debt growing high, our economy shaking, our dependance on oil....and the attitude of the world towards us...these things worry me.

If we took care of all but the last of the above problems, we would need to fear nothing.

Look at it this way. If we brought our troops home, strengthened our military HERE, patroled our borders, cleaned up our filthy govornment, got rid of the assholes, and invested in America and stopped selling our tech to everyone and thier hamster.........

Then lets say Muslims did take over Europe. And they did decide they were gonna come against us. If we would fix our own damn country and let the rest of the world deal with its crap, than Muslim could own the whole #ing hemisphere of the east, and still be no threat to us, because we would have fixed ourselves, cut them off, strenghtened ourselves, secured ourselves, that thier ambitions would get cut down.
Muslims just might take over Europe. Even if they did, with the issues and infighting they have, i doubt that they could ever get it together long enough to sucessfully launch anything.

If the Saudi Army is indication of what a Muslim army would be like, id be impressed if they turn a missle launcher on without blowing themselves up in the process.


yeah , what you said...however, an isolationism policy by the US receives as much crticism from the rest of the world as does our policies of upholding the UN's resolutions which i feel have led us down this road we're currently on. What can we do to appease the world, you ask? Only one thing. Die.

You are right that the federal reserve is this country's enemy. I won't deny that. Right along with the CFR and the UN. I say, go for it. Pull our troops home, shut the borders, drill our own oil wells until alternate energy can be perfected, deport all these 40 year old foreign students building bombs in their basements, and shoot the hell out of anyone who threatens us for it! I don't like having our troops all over the world anymore than you do but I would rather they're hands not be tied like they were in the 90s. Having to call the UN to get permission to defend themselves. Even Bill Clinton has expressed so much regret for pandering to that bunch of logger heads and he stopped it after the Blackhawk incident. He was trying to be a global country only to find out for every inch we gave, they took another mile. If the US has troops out, then the men trained to assess and react should be in charge..not some third world idiot at the UN. So, I'll back you on getting our own country in order and strong all day long Skadi. But we have to face the reality of who the enemy is.



reply posted on 19-11-2003 @ 09:42 AM by Skadi_the_Evil_Elf
Ah, Astrocreep, youre catching on to what Im saying.

The world will always hate us. You are right, and we would get criticisim for isolationism.

But you see, in that respect, i care not what the world thinks. isolationism would be good for us, despite what the globalists, Neo cons, ect, claim.

My concern isnt to please the world, it is to build America back into a society and country of our choosing and liking. A free society with minimal govornment, ironclad borders, all assets relocated back home on our own soil.

Yes, kick those 40 year old students with expired visas, questionable histories, and red flags.

The UN is a threat to us, yes. Pandering to them serves no one really. That has to be our biggest folly, creating the damn UN in the first place. We set ourselves up with that.

They are all part of our great enemy matrix. But in order to fight off the disease, our immune system must be in peak shape. Any disease. We need our strength.

I think we should have played the little Un game with iraq. personally, Saddam posed little threat, really. Even if he did have WMD........hed be hitting Israel with that #. If we had secured our borders, brought our troops out of Saudi, and puleld out fo the world, They would go back to fighting each other.

But having troops all over the world, and assets, it weakens us. Its stretches our armor thin, to where our enemies, both public and hidden, can poke through our weaknesses and stab our tender parts. We cannot police the world. We should not. let them do whatever the hell it is they do. We need to worry about the state of our union.

the Patriot act, FEMA, IRA, Fed reserve, ect.......

Thats where our weaknesses lie, like the AIDS Virus, those things slowly wither away our defenses. Deploying, fighting terrorism everywhere, this weakens us. And now that the world is basically publically uniting against us, we need to pull back home, secure our home, and prepare in case anyone gets any funny ideas.
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