So, we believe them when we want and discredit them when we don't like what they say? Which is it?

We all know good a damn well whats going on in the little snake's den in the middle east! No link between Usama and Saddam...they probably had dinner together last night! Bury your head in the sand if you want but there is a huge # storm brewing in the mid east all aimed at genocide of everyone who doesn't accept their way of life. No link... my big ole' butt! See my post on the original thread concerning this if you really want pissed off!

why on earth would the department of defense want to contradict themselves and the president..this can do nothing but hurt the current administration....

and why does this mean im buring my head in the sand..if anything it just means im looking at all the facts...you are the one thats simply going with the patriotic foolish point of view...and i read your thread

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any way if there is a "link" between osama and saddam it cant be any worse than the real connection between osama and the CIA.....the links between saddam and osama have nothing to do with osama's invovlement with international terroism...period

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it could be true, i want to believe it's true, but maybe they have something to hide. if they have something to hide they will contradict themselves, i mean... you see people doing it every day. they lie and contradict, it's human nature.

but i still think it might be true.

I dont believe anything the department of defense, the pentagon, any of those turds say, because they are a bunch of liars period.

I didnt believe the reports when they came out that there was a link between bin laden and saddam, and I still dont.

Because I know better. I know better, and the govornment has no credibility with me anymore except when other contrary sources and they say the same thing.

The govornment lies, and lies like a whore. The govornment is a whore. I shall never believe another damn thing they say.

Read between the lines, people:

There is no link between osama and Saddam, except they both have two As, 1 S, and 1 M in thier names.

Theres your link.

Have a nice day.

So, we believe them when we want and discredit them when we don't like what they say? Which is it?

Kinda sounds like...

"I admit that there was some inappropriate behavior..."
"I did not have sexual relations with that woman..."

There is nothing patriotic about it. It doesn't just include Americans or Britains or Germans or any other nationality. Its a global campaign of mass genocide. ..and our government contradicts itself on a minute by minute basis. This proves one thing and one thing only to me, that our government is well aware of the big picture but doesn't want the full scope known. Why? Probably because they plan to use it to some ill gotten advantage..but they fail to understand just what danger they're dealing with. If the world was officially told what fate was planned for all of us, it would cause mass hysteria and violence so the powers that be plan to keep the problem in check by making excuses which allow them to attempt to contain the problem without actually admitting its severity. No, I hold no allegence to the Bush's but I will not pretend this war isn't being waged nor what its eventual goal is. I am patriotic to the ideology which founded my nation and all those who died to protect it but I will not deny that we are being lied to.

Originally posted by astrocreep
So, we believe them when we want and discredit them when we don't like what they say? Which is it?

"We" didnt discredit anybody......."they"{the department of defense} did all they discrediting...

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Skadi, well the people who you say you don't believe are also denying the link? So, what say you about that?

You're right , they are liars...all of them. They have now and have always had the link between all those little factions in the mid-east. They keep it hidden for the reasons I spoke of above. Yep, we're being lied to alright...and led slowly to the slaughter.

Originally posted by sirCyco

Originally posted by astrocreep
So, we believe them when we want and discredit them when we don't like what they say? Which is it?

"We" didnt discredit anybody......."they"{the department of defense} did all they discrediting...

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my point exactly. They are liars. One of their little reports got out that wasn't meant to be public so they tell you what you want to hear. if they had acknowledged the report, I think you'de be singing a different tune. if they would lie about one thing, why would you think they be truthful in another?

astrocreep...i agree with most of what you say.....my only point was that bush and colin powell inc. are the ones saying that there was a osama-saddam link so that they could justify their war in iraq and its complete bull#...and it just futhers my point when the department of defense discredits any link between the 2....

Originally posted by Gazrok

So, we believe them when we want and discredit them when we don't like what they say? Which is it?

Kinda sounds like...

"I admit that there was some inappropriate behavior..."
"I did not have sexual relations with that woman..."

yeah Gaz, thats a good one. I think Bill should have stuck with "I did not have sexual relations with that woman." All guys know that you deny it to the bitter end. If the DNA tests came back against me then, I'd yelled Right Wing conspiracy, sabatoge, and any other thing I could but ya never admit it, man. thats when i kinda lost some faith in ole' Bubba. he broke the man's creed.

Originally posted by sirCyco
astrocreep...i agree with most of what you say.....my only point was that bush and colin powell inc. are the ones saying that there was a osama-saddam link so that they could justify their war in iraq and its complete bull#...and it just futhers my point when the department of defense discredits any link between the 2....

yeah, except that the DoD and Bush/Powell are all the same group. They tried to sell some link between the two without actually releasing the whole thing. From the discovered report, we could see that the link was much more extensive than even Bush wants us to know and from that we can start to see Saudi Arabia's role as well as the rest of the Arab world. They don't want that. they don't want the people to know just what awaits us because they think they can continue to hold it back and delay the inevitable by taking out this little faction or that. Its the same thing thats been tried for the last 20 years which hasn't and won't work. Eventually, this war will again be at our doorsteps for the only appeasment for it is the destruction of every other society on earth.

What have i to say, Astrocreep?

the same thing. they are Liars. Whether they confirm or deny it matters not.

It bears no importance on what I already know, so them denying it either means one of two things: Either thier flow of information hasnt been stopped up enough, or they simply, as always, have no clue what they are talking about, and still are trying to spell Bin Laden correctly.

No matter.

What say YOU, since you believe your govornment. They are saying that YOU dont know what youre talking about, that no link exists.

we could see that the link was much more extensive than even Bush wants us to know

I dont understand this point completly...if this was true then he would have been completly justified for this war and futher wars...hell if it was true why not take complete controll over the entire middle east...the fact is its bull# and the U.S. goverment brought this hellish war unto themselves by not staying out of the middle eastern world.....osama sure does not seem to be attacking canada or mexico or anybody else but the U.S. and isreal...hmmmm why is that???



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Skadi, where did you get the idea that I believe my government? I've argued for nothing but for them to have less power since I've been on this board. We have people who talk of their distrust for the government and the IRS (and for good reason) and then when money starts to flow back to the people, they argue to let the same bunch of wasteful liars keep it because "they can better administrate it" than the people who earn it. Hell, no I don't buy into all that. But I do think there is a link between the whole Arab world and this denial from our government makes me think its bigger than we all know.


Our government is now saying there is NO LINK. I DO NOT believe them. Its up to you if you want to buy it. See, I have no political side in this. I seek only the reality and truth. I hate to think of what I know to be true and what I know to be coming but denial allows it to grow further out of control.

Our Government tells us there is no such movement yet in Great britain, the Mosque are openly claiming the Muslim takeover of the UK is close at hand and that the world will follow. Maybe you should re-evaluate who you do and do not believe. When I hear the Muslim world say they plan to take the world and destroy all that do not convert, I sure as hell belive them. When I hear a politicain tell me that he won't let it happen or that they don't really mean it, I know I'm talking to a person either in denial or saying what they have been told to say.

Originally posted by sirCyco
we could see that the link was much more extensive than even Bush wants us to know

I dont understand this point completly...if this was true then he would have been completly justified for this war and futher wars...hell if it was true why not take complete controll over the entire middle east...the fact is its bull# and the U.S. goverment brought this hellish war unto themselves by not staying out of the middle eastern world.....osama sure does not seem to be attacking canada or mexico or anybody else but the U.S. and isreal...hmmmm why is that???



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Because the Bush family is deeply tied into to Saudi Oil. Where have you been? The almighty dollar, man. They think they can control the situation and still keep their little beneficiaries too. Meanwhile, we continue to finance the very people working every minute of their lives to see us die. Crazy world ain't it? Now, I could give a damn whether you believe it or not..or whether anyone belives it because the fact is, its too late. Its just too damn late.

Our Government tells us there is no such movement yet in Great britain, the Mosque are openly claiming the Muslim takeover of the UK is close at hand and that the world will follow.


ha...they neither have the financial backing nor they people to take over the world......this is laughable...all they can do is hijack planes and suicide bombings....as opposed to the western taking over the world which is much more pluasible seeing how we have acomplished this already about 50%

Because the Bush family is deeply tied into to Saudi Oil. Where have you been? The almighty dollar, man. They think they can control the situation and still keep their little beneficiaries too. Meanwhile, we continue to finance the very people working every minute of their lives to see us die.


then as i said.......if there was proof that the saudis and all the rest were tied into to international terrosim then the goverment would be some what justified in there take over...if it was just about suadi oil money then if what you believe is true then we could just waltz in there as we did iraq and take all there oil and money...very simple..





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