Star of David Spells M-A-S-O-N???, page 2
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reply posted on 20-11-2003 @ 12:38 PM by Ozzie
for a little information on the founding father masonic ties check here.


www.freemasonry.org...

not being American and oly a little knowledge of american history I'll leave it to you to do your own searches.

as for the No. 13 being of esoteric significance It would probably be easier finding a number that wasnt. every web site I look at its this number or that number.
for example the most common ones are 1, 3, 7,9,11,13, no reason is ever given why they are so would be interested to find out. whats so important with the numbers?


reply posted on 20-11-2003 @ 09:22 PM by Ðany
Originally posted by U.S. Patriot
FIRST OF ALL, the star of David is not used here properly.
What is used is a Pentagram where someone did not draw correctly on those images. Each point touches a
letter, thus spelling out m-a-s-o-n. Do a little more research associating the INVERTED PENTAGRAM.




The star of David would not be used by such an organization when it is established for Judaism.

Then Pentgram is clearly used for Satanic and Freemason practices. So let's not get the two
symbols confused here.



Inverted Pentagram

The pentagram may be inverted with one point down. The implication is of spirit subservient to matter, of man subservient to his carnal desires. The inverted pentagram has come to be seen by many pagans as representing the dark side and it is abhored as an evil symbol. Fundamental christians, indeed, see any form of pentagram as such. However, these are recent developments and the inverted pentagram is the symbol of Gardnerian second degree initiation, representing the need of the witch to learn to face the darkness within so that it may not later rise up to take control. The centre of a pentagram implies a sixth formative element - love/will which controls from within, ruling matter and spirit by Will and the controlled magickal direction of sexual energies. This is another lesson of initiation.



The Pentagram As A Christian Symbol
Up until medieval times, the five points of the pentagram represented the five wounds of Christ on the Cross. It was a symbol of Christ the Saviour. This is in stark contrast to today where the pentagram is criticized by modern Fundamentalist Christians, as being a symbol of evil.

The church eventually chose the cross as a more significant symbol for Christianity, and the use of the pentagram as a Christian symbol gradually ceased.


Don't.
Talk.
Bollocks.

Pagans do not abhorr inverted pentagrams.

Oh and the six pointed star IS used by masons, read ALL of
THIS.

If you don't read all of it then don't argue about something you know nothing about.


reply posted on 20-11-2003 @ 09:37 PM by Tamahu
NM



[Edited on 25-11-2003 by Tamahu]



reply posted on 25-11-2003 @ 07:00 PM by Tamahu
Hey Ozzie

Looks like we have a contradiction because according to Belleview Lodge #95; Thomas Jefferson WAS a Mason:

www.belleviewlodge95.com...

Unless of course this website is fake and there's no such thing as a "Belleview Lodge 95". Anyone know???

Thanks for the link Dany.



ONE


reply posted on 28-11-2003 @ 08:24 PM by Seekerof
Actually Dany, I believe that is a compass and a drawing square.

I did find this to be a bit interesting:
"The hexagram or the pentagram, appear first on "magic" mezuzot (doorpost scrolls) and later on various talismans in literature. The magic drawings of the hexagram and the pentagram were known as seals, in keeping with the idea that a person "stamps himself" with these signs in order to protect himself from harmful spirits. This term is connected to the legend of King Solomon who controlled the demons by means of a special signet ring on which was engraved the Tettragrammaton. The seal only had power for one thing – to provide protection from malevolent forces."
Link:
www.mfa.gov.il...


And this:
"The earliest known Jewish use of the hexagram was as a seal in ancient Israel (6th century B.C.E.) and then eight centuries later in a *synagogue frieze in Capernaum. But these early hexagrams may have been only ornamental designs; ironically, a swastika, another popular ancient motif, appears alongside the hexagram on the Capernaum synagogue wall. In the Middle Ages, hexagrams appear frequently on churches, but rarely in synagogues or on Jewish ritual objects. It was the *menorah that served as the primary Jewish symbol from antiquity until the post-Renaissance period, not the " Jewish star."

Although scholars have attempted to trace the Star of David back to King David himself; to Rabbi Akiva and the Bar Kokhba ("son of the star") rebellion (135 C.E.); or to *kabbalists, especially Rabbi Isaac Luria (16th century), no Jewish literature or artifacts document this claim. Rather, all evidence suggests that the early use of the hexagram was limited to "practical Kabbalah," that is, Jewish magic, probably dating back to the 6th century C.E. Legends connect this symbol with the "Seal of Solomon," the magical signet signet *ring used by King Solomon to control demons and spirits. 2 Although the original ring was inscribed with the Tetragrammaton, the sacred Four-Letter *Name of God, medieval *amulets imitating this ring substituted the hexagram or pentagram (five-pointed stare), often accompanied by rampant *lions, for the sacred Name. The star inscribed on these rings was usually called the "Seal of Solomon."

Link:
www.menorah.org...


And this:
"Many today insist that the Star of David is used in occult and Satanic rituals. This may be true, but much more common is the use of the cross and the five-pointed star (the pentagram). The only place I have heard of the Star of David being used in Satanic rituals is in Christian literature attacking the Star of David as a Satanic symbol. But even assuming that this story is true does not constitute proof of the "Satanic" nature of the Star of David. It would show how a good symbol is used in a Satanic counterfeit. The gifts of the Spirit all have Satanic or occult counterfeits also, but I would never dream of telling Isaiah that prophesying is Satanic. Satan is trying to defame Israel, the Star of David, and the Jewish people. I expect that when Yeshua returns, He will heartily approve the Star of David. A passage of Messianic prophecy proclaims, "A star shall come forth from Jacob, and a scepter shall rise from Israel" (Num. 24:17)."
Link:
www.yashanet.com...


regards
seekerof

[Edited on 28-11-2003 by Seekerof]


reply posted on 28-11-2003 @ 08:51 PM by EPLURIBUSUNUM
Many Freemason websites and those I have spoken to
are in the lines that Thomas Jefferson was definitly not a Mason.

web.mit.edu...

“... On 11 June 1776, Congress appointed a committee to draft a declaration of independence. Of the five men on this committee, two -- Franklin and Richard Montgomery's father-in-law, Robert Livingston -- were Freemasons, and one, Roger Sherman, is believed, though not confirmed, to have been. The other two -- Thomas Jefferson and John Adams -- were not, despite subsequent claims to the contrary. The text of the declaration was composed by Jefferson. It was submitted to Congress and accepted on 4 July 1776. The nine signatories who can now be established as proven Freemasons, and the ten who were probably so, included such influential figures as Washington, Franklin and, of course, the president of the Congress, John Hancock. The army, moreover, remained almost entirely in Freemasonic hands.
“Franklin, as we have seen, was a Freemason of long standing, having been initiated nearly a half century before, in 1731. In 1734 and again in 1749, he had been Grand Master of Pennsylvania. In 1756, he had been inducted into the Royal Society, still at that time strongly oriented towards Freemasonry. Between 1757 and 1762, and again between 1764 and 1775, he had spent considerable time abroad, in England and in France. In 1776, as the conflict in the colonies became a full-fledged war for independence, Franklin became, in effect, the American ambassador to France, and was to serve in this capacity until 1785. In 1778, in Paris, he was to become a member of a particularly important French lodge, Neuf Soeurs or “Nine Sisters”, which was also to include such luminaries as John Paul Jones (first initiated in Scotland in 1770) and Voltaire. A year later, on 21 May 1779, Franklin became Master of Neuf Soeurs, a post to which he was reelected in 1780. In 1782, he became a member of a more elusive and mysterious Freemasonic conclave, the Royal Lodge des Commandeurs du Temple a l'Ouest de Carcassonne (“Royal Lodge of Commanders of the Temple West of Carcassonne”).”
Michael Baigent and Richard Leigh
The Temple and the Lodge

www.falmouth.packet.archives.dial.pipex.com...


reply posted on 28-11-2003 @ 08:59 PM by theshadowknows
Originally posted by EPLURIBUSUNUM
Many Freemason websites and those I have spoken to
are in the lines that Thomas Jefferson was definitly not a Mason.

web.mit.edu...

“... On 11 June 1776, Congress appointed a committee to draft a declaration of independence. Of the five men on this committee, two -- Franklin and Richard Montgomery's father-in-law, Robert Livingston -- were Freemasons, and one, Roger Sherman, is believed, though not confirmed, to have been. The other two -- Thomas Jefferson and John Adams -- were not, despite subsequent claims to the contrary. The text of the declaration was composed by Jefferson. It was submitted to Congress and accepted on 4 July 1776. The nine signatories who can now be established as proven Freemasons, and the ten who were probably so, included such influential figures as Washington, Franklin and, of course, the president of the Congress, John Hancock. The army, moreover, remained almost entirely in Freemasonic hands.
“Franklin, as we have seen, was a Freemason of long standing, having been initiated nearly a half century before, in 1731. In 1734 and again in 1749, he had been Grand Master of Pennsylvania. In 1756, he had been inducted into the Royal Society, still at that time strongly oriented towards Freemasonry. Between 1757 and 1762, and again between 1764 and 1775, he had spent considerable time abroad, in England and in France. In 1776, as the conflict in the colonies became a full-fledged war for independence, Franklin became, in effect, the American ambassador to France, and was to serve in this capacity until 1785. In 1778, in Paris, he was to become a member of a particularly important French lodge, Neuf Soeurs or “Nine Sisters”, which was also to include such luminaries as John Paul Jones (first initiated in Scotland in 1770) and Voltaire. A year later, on 21 May 1779, Franklin became Master of Neuf Soeurs, a post to which he was reelected in 1780. In 1782, he became a member of a more elusive and mysterious Freemasonic conclave, the Royal Lodge des Commandeurs du Temple a l'Ouest de Carcassonne (“Royal Lodge of Commanders of the Temple West of Carcassonne”).”
Michael Baigent and Richard Leigh
The Temple and the Lodge

www.falmouth.packet.archives.dial.pipex.com...



ah #. you got to it before I did...

BTW...I use to have that pic you have in your signature as my avatar. I may bring it back one of these days.

Peace,TSK

[Edited on 11-28-2003 by theshadowknows]
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