For all of the Bush Haters....

Who would you rather have as president...

Bush or Gore ???

While I don't claim to be a bush supporter, I do think he is doing the best of his ability.

Could it be worse ? Will it be ?

How do you think Gore would have handled :

1. Septembe 11th ( the day of the attacks )

2. Chasing Osama ?

3. WMD - Iraq war ?

4. North Korea and nukes ?

I'm not usually one to talk politics, but I see a lot of bush bashing here and just wanted to ask these questions.

I come in peace... don't shoot !!

Originally posted by elevatedone
Who would you rather have as president...

Bush or Gore ???

Gore

While I don't claim to be a bush supporter, I do think he is doing the best of his ability.

Could it be worse ? Will it be ?

How do you think Gore would have handled :

1. Septembe 11th ( the day of the attacks )

Wouldn't have happened.

2. Chasing Osama ?

Would've caught him b/c He would've implemented Clinton's plan as Clintin instructed Bush to do.

3. WMD - Iraq war ?

Wouldn't have happened b/c there are no WMDs in Iraq.

4. North Korea and nukes ?

We would be on the way to friendly relations as it was when Clinton was in office. Now it is worsened and it doesn't help when Bush calls Kim Jong Il a pigmy.

LMAO!!! OK I'll bite.

IMO I think if Gore was president 9/11 would have never happened in the first place. Why? Well I think that the 9/11 attacks were perpetrated by the US GOV in conjuction with a certain intelligence agency in order to bring about support for the PNAC agenda.

As for Osama he will never be caught. He is being protected by the CIA. He was and I still think he is a CIA Asset.

There are no WMD in Iraq. They were all destroyed in the first round of inspections after the first gulf war by the UN. If there were any WMD Saddam would have used them against US troops invading his country.

North Korea. So the US and many other nations around the world have Huge stockpiles of nukes and bio weapons but NK cant have any? So what if NK has nukes. You think they would be stupid enough to use them knowing the US would nuke their country into beaded glass.

Who would you rather have as president...

Bush or Gore ???

I'd rather have your average chimpanzee than Bush ...as the chimp might actually at least make the world laugh at us rather than despise us....

But, since my choice is Gore...pretty much see *gulp...can't believe I'm going to say this....* 's answers... (though Clinton dropped the ball numerous times with Osama....)

from : Ocelot

As for Osama he will never be caught. He is being protected by the CIA. He was and I still think he is a CIA Asset.

How did you come up with this one. Never heard this angle before ?

I believe that 9/11 would have happened regardless of who is/was in office. I still believe that yes, we (usa) knew something was coming, but not what, who or when.

Originally posted by elevatedone

from : Ocelot

As for Osama he will never be caught. He is being protected by the CIA. He was and I still think he is a CIA Asset.

How did you come up with this one. Never heard this angle before ?

I believe that 9/11 would have happened regardless of who is/was in office. I still believe that yes, we (usa) knew something was coming, but not what, who or when.

OMG dude dont you know anything? Ossama was funded with money and weapons during the 80's by the US Gov. and CIA when afganistan was in war with the russians. And remember Saddam was also our "friend" as the US provided Iraq with BIO WEAPONS and lots of $$$ when Saddam was at War with Iran. Read up on your history dude. I repeat Saddam and Ossama will never be caught. They are being protected. After all who is the US going to blame future terrorist attacks on if Ossama and Saddam are caught. They are need them to be out there in order to have scapegoats for future "staged" terrorists attacks.

[Edited on 18-11-2003 by Ocelot]

??????????? What facts do you have 9/11 was done by the gov??? Why Would they cause this country to lose billions of dollars ??? show me some proof please that 9/11 was a gov operation ???

Originally posted by tealc
??????????? What facts do you have 9/11 was done by the gov??? Why Would they cause this country to lose billions of dollars ??? show me some proof please that 9/11 was a gov operation ???

I could give you links to hundreds of documents that you could read. Give me some time to look for them and I will post them later.

It may seem like the markets are in a sorry state, but I can tell you this, some people are DEFINATELY getting richer

9/11 never would have happened: Read the Hart/Rudman report as well as the Gore report on improving domestic saftey.
Both of them required the level of airport security & steel reinforced locked cockpit doors that we have now ...but they wanted this years ago.
So if we have that level of security where zero weapons can be brought on board and zero entry into the cockpit would have been possible, and if you subscribe to the fairy tale that the planes were not steered into the Towers, then how do you say it would have happened regardless?
And that's even saying that the level of Saudi investigation would have been pulled back & stopped, as it was when Bush took office.

Ocelot, you wouldn't believe what I don't know !

I'm 33 yrs old. didn't go to college, never cared about politics.

I recently started to become interested as I'm getting older and I like to think a little wiser, figured I better start paying attention and voting so that my 2 cents will hopefully someday count.

I still didn't care much about politics until joining ATS.
I always believed in Aliens ( don't know why ) and loved movies and stuff about UFO's. Then I discovered that we have Politics here at ATS too...

soooo, I'm learning as I go. Am I going to believe everything that I read here, no, am I going to express my opinions yes, will everyone agree, no.

But I hope that what I learn from you guys along with what I learn on my own, I will become one who understands things the way they are or the way they should be.. hell I don't know...

Originally posted by elevatedone

from : Ocelot

As for Osama he will never be caught. He is being protected by the CIA. He was and I still think he is a CIA Asset.

How did you come up with this one. Never heard this angle before ?

Here's an excellent place to start:

by Michel Chossudovsky
www.globalresearch.ca 16 November 2003 (revised 17 November 2003)
The URL of this article is: globalresearch.ca...


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If the CBS report by Dan Rather is accurate and Osama had indeed been admitted to the Pakistani military hospital on September 10, 2001, courtesy of America's ally, he was in all likelihood still in hospital in Rawalpindi on the 11th of September, when the attacks occurred. In all probability, his whereabouts were known to US officials on the morning of September 12, when Secretary of State Colin Powell initiated negotiations with Pakistan, with a view to arresting and extraditing bin Laden.

A recent Reuters report (11/13/03; scroll down) quoting Labeviere's book "Corridors of Terror" points to alleged "negotiations" between Osama bin Laden and the CIA, which took place two months prior to the September 11, 2001 attacks at the American Hospital in Dubai, UAE, while bin Laden was recovering from a kidney dialysis treatment

Enemy Number One in hospital recovering from dialysis treatment "negotiating with CIA"?

The meeting with the CIA head of station at the American Hospital in Dubai, UAE was confirmed by a report in the French daily newspaper Le Figaro, published in October 2001. (See Alexandra Richard, at www.globalresearch.ca... ,

For a virtual tour of the hospital click www.ahdubai.com...


The "negotiations" between the CIA and Osama (a CIA "intelligence asset") is sheer disinformation. Even though the CIA has refuted the claim, the report serves to highlight Osama as a bona fide "Enemy of America," rather than a creation of the CIA. In the words of former CIA agent Milt Bearden in an interview with Dan Rather on September 12, 2001, �If they didn�t have an Osama bin Laden, they would invent one.�

Intelligence negotiations never take place on a hospital bed. The CIA knew Osama was at the American Hospital in Dubai. Rather than negotiate, they could have arrested him. He was on the FBI most wanted list.

According to the Reuters report: "At the time, bin Laden had a multi-million dollar price on his head for his suspected role in the 1998 bombings of two U.S. embassies in East Africa". So why did the hospital staff, who knew that Osama was at the American Hospital in Dubai, not claim the reward?

The Figaro report points to complicity between the CIA and Osama rather than "negotiation". (see excerpt below). Consistent with several other reports, it also points to the antagonism between the FBI and the CIA.

If the CIA had wanted to arrest Osama bin Laden prior to September 11, they could have done it then in Dubai. But they would not have had a the war on terrorism pretext for waging a major military operation in the Middle East and Central Asia.

The rest:
globalresearch.ca...

Originally posted by elevatedone

from : Ocelot

As for Osama he will never be caught. He is being protected by the CIA. He was and I still think he is a CIA Asset.

How did you come up with this one. Never heard this angle before ?

I believe that 9/11 would have happened regardless of who is/was in office. I still believe that yes, we (usa) knew something was coming, but not what, who or when.

www.conspiracyarchive.com...

elevated,

good topic of discussion.

Gore, the blue blood socialist lackey of the global elite and satanist par excellance would likely have done the following:

1. Septembe 11th ( the day of the attacks )

One of two things. Either buried his head such that the US would think it was WWIII or he would have been all over it. If he was all over it, then expect inane and senseless mumbo jumbo about 'why would somebody do this to us?' He would be on his knees to beg for mercy as soon as possible.

2. Chasing Osama ?

Why would he do that? Gore would tell Osama to just stop it! Osama would laugh in his face like demons usually do.

3. WMD - Iraq war ?

Well since the lefties are so convinced that their boy would have not entered the war in the first place (not likely as the jews own him too if not more so), then Saddam would still be raping his dummy people and still shopping for the holy grail, an intercontinental balistic missile. He likely would of found it by now.

4. North Korea and nukes ?

Gore would have went over there to have green tea with Lil' Kim and tell him he admires him so much. Tell him 'ah knows you is impatient Lil' Kim but we is doin' our best to impose communism on the US sir. You must be more patient with us....

Originally posted by elevatedone
How do you think Gore would have handled :

1. Septembe 11th ( the day of the attacks )

2. Chasing Osama ?

3. WMD - Iraq war ?

4. North Korea and nukes ?

1. Someone remind me how long it took the president to respond when the first plane hit? September 11th was caused by Bush's administration one way or another, either they provoked it with aggressive self centred foreign policy, or planned it and carried it out themselves. It was always clear that Bush wanted a war...

2. September 11th wouldn't have happened and so the hunt for Osama, if it was ever going on at all, would be low profile, and therefore he would be easier for special forces to catch.

3. There would never have been an Iraq war if Bush had not been in power, it was his ambition right from the start to invade. We know there are no WMD in Iraq. Maybe Gore wouldn't have lied to you...

4. As far as I know George W. Bush has done nothing at all to "handle" the North Korean situation. By labelling them as evil and speaking of conflict he has heightened tension in the region.

None of the situations you mentioned were handled competently by Bush. In fact, he was arguably to blame for a number of them. I'm not saying they were easy situations to take care of, but Bush did not act sensibly or responsibly.

I can't comment on Al Gore, as I don't know enough about the US political scene, but these issues affect the whole world, and so I saw fit to comment. I urge you not to vote for Bush, not just for your own sake but for the rest of the world also.

Wow, Neo, when did you become a Bush hater??????

Originally posted by THENEO
Gore would have went over there to have green tea with Lil' Kim and tell him he admires him so much. Tell him 'ah knows you is impatient Lil' Kim but we is doin' our best to impose communism on the US sir. You must be more patient with us....

The Democrats are not communists. Do you even know what a communist is? Look it up some time. The Democrat party exists to balance out the government in the US. There has to be liberal opposition to conservative power, and vice versa, so that neither left wing nor right wing extremism emerges. If the Democrats were communists, then the Republicans, being their opposite, would be Fascists. And we all know they aren't really.

Try to accept that there must be a balance in politics to represent everyone. The world would by no means be a better place with only one side.

Originally posted by Colonel
Wow, Neo, when did you become a Bush hater??????

What is this some kinda cult?

I don't hate him, you do.

He is not worse than the competition that is for sure.

Originally posted by CiderGood_HeadacheBad

Originally posted by THENEO
Gore would have went over there to have green tea with Lil' Kim and tell him he admires him so much. Tell him 'ah knows you is impatient Lil' Kim but we is doin' our best to impose communism on the US sir. You must be more patient with us....

The Democrats are not communists. Do you even know what a communist is? Look it up some time. The Democrat party exists to balance out the government in the US. There has to be liberal opposition to conservative power, and vice versa, so that neither left wing nor right wing extremism emerges. If the Democrats were communists, then the Republicans, being their opposite, would be Fascists. And we all know they aren't really.

Try to accept that there must be a balance in politics to represent everyone. The world would by no means be a better place with only one side.

I minored in political science in university and I obtained an 'A' in every poly sci course I ever took.

I think I know what a communist is.

I have read the communist manifesto.

I know that Hitler called his party socialists in the beginning then later became fascists.

I predict that they will do it the same way again.

You are a pawn for them with every other left leaning person especially if you are willing to compromise the power of the US in order to make everyone else happy.

boo hoo!

somebody doesn't like me!

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