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Islamists At War With Ethiopia

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posted on Dec, 21 2006 @ 08:03 AM
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A hard line Islamist leader said that Somalia's Islamists are at war against Ethiopia, not the government of Somalia. Sheikh Hassan Dahir Aweys also accused Ethiopia of attacking the Islamists in southern Somalia. There are now increased fears of a war in the horn of Africa that could include Ethiopia and Eritrea. The last two months has brought increasingly violent skirmishes along a front line across Somalia.
 



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Somalia's Islamists are at war against Ethiopia not the government, a hard-line Islamist leader said on Thursday, as fighting raged for a third day between his forces and pro-government troops.

Sheikh Hassan Dahir Aweys, who was speaking to Reuters by telephone, also accused Ethiopia of attacking the Islamists in southern Somalia.

Three days of fighting with rockets, artillery and machineguns have increased fears of a devastating Horn of Africa war that could suck in rivals Ethiopia and Eritrea, who diplomats say are conducting a proxy war there.




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First just to give a little bit of geography on the reign. Somalia borders the sea around the horn of Africa. To its north is Ethiopia. To the north of Ethiopia is Sudan, and Eritrea. To the east of Ethiopia and north of Somalia is Djibouti. If an Islamists war is to continue, and to grow in the reign I think you should also consider what else has been happening in the reign. Namely in the Darfur reign of Sudan where the Islamic government has been committing genocide by killing off all the native population in the Darfur reign of Sudan. Taking all of that into account and it sounds like the is no lack of Islamists ready to go to war.

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posted on Dec, 22 2006 @ 07:16 AM
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Hear is some of the latest news

Exhausted by a war with neighboring Eritrea that ended in 2000 and by election violence last year that saw nearly 200 citizens die at the hands of police, Ethiopians are suspicious of their leader, Prime Minister Meles Zenawi.

"Meles wants this war," said Abiye Fikre, a shopkeeper in the capital. "The problems are his own creation."

Adds butcher Abebe Belayaneh: "If Meles has his way, we'll make war all over the Horn."

sorce



posted on Dec, 22 2006 @ 07:44 PM
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More on what is hapening in that reagon.

As fighting intensified Friday between Somali Islamists and an Ethiopian intervention force, Western diplomats and experts warned that U.S. policy in the Horn of Africa - intended to curb Islamic radicalism - may not only be fueling this newest conflict, but also may be making it easier for al-Qaida to gain a foothold in the strategic region.


Fighting raged for a fourth day around Baidoa, the last bastion of Somalia's U.N.-recognized Transitional Federal Government, which is depending on Ethiopian troops for its survival. Both Islamists and the government claimed advances after what was described as a heavy artillery exchange.


The top Islamist official renewed his call for "jihad" against what he said was Ethiopian invaders, and there were reports of an armored column of Ethiopian tanks heading into central Somalia.




posted on Dec, 22 2006 @ 08:01 PM
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As you see below the its not suprising Ethiopia gets taken over by Muslims and then gets assimulated to fighting Isreal. Its all happening, this could not have been seen a few years ago and all these things are happening.

This is based on the following verses in Ezekiel (Chapter 38):

1 And the word of the LORD came unto me, saying, 2 Son of man, set thy face against Gog, the land of Magog, the chief prince of Meshech and Tubal, and prophesy against him, 3 And say, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I am against thee, O Gog, the chief prince of Meshech and Tubal: 4 And I will turn thee back, and put hooks into thy jaws, and I will bring thee forth, and all thine army, horses and horsemen, all of them clothed with all sorts of armour, even a great company with bucklers and shields, all of them handling swords: 5 Persia, Ethiopia, and Libya with them; all of them with shield and helmet: 6 Gomer, and all his bands; the house of Togarmah of the north quarters, and all his bands: and many people with thee. 7 Be thou prepared, and prepare for thyself, thou, and all thy company that are assembled unto thee, and be thou a guard unto them. 8 After many days thou shalt be visited: in the latter years thou shalt come into the land that is brought back from the sword, and is gathered out of many people, against the mountains of Israel, which have been always waste: but it is brought forth out of the nations, and they shall dwell safely all of them. 9 Thou shalt ascend and come like a storm, thou shalt be like a cloud to cover the land, thou, and all thy bands, and many people with thee. 10 Thus saith the Lord GOD; It shall also come to pass, that at the same time shall things come into thy mind, and thou shalt think an evil thought: 11 And thou shalt say, I will go up to the land of unwalled villages; 'I will go to them that are at rest, that dwell safely, all of them dwelling without walls, and having neither bars nor gates, 12 To take a spoil, and to take a prey; to turn thine hand upon the desolate places that are now inhabited, and upon the people that are gathered out of the nations, which have gotten cattle and goods, that dwell in the midst of the land. 13 Sheba, and Dedan, and the merchants of Tarshish, with all the young lions thereof, shall say unto thee, Art thou come to take a spoil? hast thou gathered thy company to take a prey? to carry away silver and gold, to take away cattle and goods, to take a great spoil?



posted on Dec, 23 2006 @ 06:13 PM
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Time Lord,
I certenaly won't argue your interpetation of the Bible.
Thanks for your input.



posted on Dec, 24 2006 @ 11:07 AM
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Sorry but Ethiopia invaded Somalia. The transitional government is an imposed government against the will of Somalia. Noone was elected, their leaders and soldiers have defected to the Islamists forces in great numbers, and the government forces were the first ones to attac the Islamists after rejecting a plea deal with them.

The islamists removed warlords who pillaged, raped, and extorted the meager incomes of Somalia citizens, and those warlords were in fact being PAID BY THE CIA! Even the President of the imposed TFG verified this during the summer. Not only that but the Courts union even siezed stopped the pirates who were operating of the Somali coast, and rescued a foreign ship that had been hijacked by pirates.

They are punishing criminals, have opened up the ports, established stability in the cities they have consolidated, ALMOST all with no resistance. They were welcomed because they removed the criminals who were being paid by the CIA while they wreaked terror on the citizens.

Lo and behold, all of Islam is evil, so Ethiopia launches a crusade and begins occupying Somali border towns where they were harrassing their citizens, before the Islamists even made their way up there. The TGF is not recognized by citizens of Southern Somalia because noone there elected them. They were imposed by Foreign nations, and gathered delegates from the breakaway states of Puntland and Somaliland.

Of the recorded skirmishes with the government forces, the government forces instigated each one. The Islamists have been attacking the invaders of Ethiopia.

Frankly, I already know the end game. Ethiopia will fail, the TGF will collapse, and the Western nations not satisfied with the stability the Islamists are attempting to restore, will begin air strikes on Somalia. What a wonderful way of spreading peace and democracy. Who are the bad guys again?



posted on Dec, 24 2006 @ 12:29 PM
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The time lord, so where exactly is Magog? Last time I looked, people claimed that it was Russia and now it is going to be Somalia/Ethiopia? Which translation do you use and where does it say this Nation? I'd be very interested in finding out.

Odium



posted on Dec, 24 2006 @ 06:25 PM
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Hear is some new development.


Ethiopia sent fighter jets into Somalia and bombed several towns Sunday in a dramatic attack on Somalia's powerful Islamic movement, and Ethiopia's prime minister said his country had been "forced to enter a war."

It was the first time Ethiopia acknowledged its troops were fighting in support of Somalia's U.N.-backed interim government even though witnesses had been reporting their presence for weeks in an escalating battle that threatens to engulf the Horn of Africa region.

Ethiopian Prime Minister Meles Zenawi went on television to announce that his country was at war with the Islamic movement that wants to rule neighboring Somalia by the Quran.

sorce



posted on Dec, 24 2006 @ 06:55 PM
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Yea look at that, I say it and it happens moments later. Weee another decade of instability in Somalia. It will not be long before the bigots and ignorants of the board will begin popping in their stupid remarks on these threads with comments such as "we need to nuke Somalia" and "Those terrorists are trying to build WMD's" and who knows what else without ever having actually researching the series of events that have led up to the situation at hand.

Thankfully they at least have some basic air-defense, because those air-strikes on towns are going to mostly kill civilians. I will say this, if Ethiopia loses some of its air forces, it will not be a bad thing.



posted on Dec, 24 2006 @ 07:04 PM
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1500 Somali Students register to fight against Ethiopian troops

Mogadishu 24, Dec.06 ( Sh.M.Network) – At least 1,500 students have registered their names to take part in the war between Somalia’s Islamists and the Ethiopian troops.

The registration took place in Simad Institute in north of the capital, with a large crowd of people have formed queues to give their names.

Ismail Ali, one of the volunteers said, “I am registering myself to defend my country against the Ethiopian Christians. They have occupied my country and they refused to leave our country. By Allah, we will evict them forcefully”.


How long will it be until these students are called terrorists? I am guessing as soon as they pickup a weapon in order to defend their nation?



posted on Dec, 24 2006 @ 08:05 PM
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Originally posted by DYepes

How long will it be until these students are called terrorists? I am guessing as soon as they pickup a weapon in order to defend their nation?


No my guess would be as soon as they link there actions to god.



posted on Dec, 25 2006 @ 01:06 AM
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I just heard on CNN International that the Ethiopian airforce bombed an airport in Mogadishu, Somalia.



posted on Dec, 25 2006 @ 04:46 AM
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I don't like to see people die anymore than the next guy, but I think the US should stay the heck out of this one. We already have our hands so full of war that I don't think we could handle anymore. I say let them duke it out.

I do know this though, if we send troops over there, and another Black Hawk Down occurs, I'm going to be in complete favor of bombing that place into submission. It's one thing to kill my troops; it's quite another to drag them through the street like a trophy of some kind.

When that happens, I can't tell anyone how fired up I get. I'd sooner pull a McArthur(sp?), and bulldoze the whole country into the sea than I would sit and watch my troops be dragged through the streets.

TheBorg



posted on Dec, 25 2006 @ 03:57 PM
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Well I sure called that now didn't I? I am curious to see if the Ethiopians will try and annex some territory as "spoils of war" later on in this campaign.

Now what about defending your country in the name of God all mighty? Does that warrant the terrorist label?

[edit on 12/25/2006 by DYepes]



posted on Dec, 25 2006 @ 06:45 PM
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Hear is some more information on the latest of what is hapening.

MOGADISHU, Somalia - Ethiopian troops seized towns throughout southern and central Somalia on Monday and bombed the international airport at Mogadishu, Somalia's capital, in a rapid escalation of a two-day-old offensive against Islamic fundamentalists who've controlled most of Somalia for the past six months.


The better-armed Ethiopians encountered no resistance from fighters of the fundamentalist Council of Islamic Courts at Baladweyne, a strategic town on the main road from Ethiopia into central Somalia, and later seized Aadado after fighting there. Ethiopian troops and Somali militiamen reportedly were advancing toward Jowhar, an Islamic fundamentalist stronghold 50 miles north of Mogadishu.


It's not clear, however, whether the Ethiopians intend to seize Jowhar or press their campaign to Mogadishu. Ethiopian officials said they've declared war on Somalia, and analysts said Ethiopian forces, equipped with tanks, heavy artillery and jet aircraft, would likely defeat the more lightly armed Islamic fighters in direct combat.



posted on Dec, 25 2006 @ 10:30 PM
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Hmm, with all kinds of foreign fighters coming in to support the CIC and a large percentage of Ethiopia being Muslim, I wonder if extremists in Ethiopa will begin carrying out attacks, and perhaps a civil war of some sort would break out in Ethiopia. I also wonder if the CIA and some form of special forces are already operating in the area and are up to something. Perhaps this is just another sign that a massive conflict that will engulf the Middle Eastern, and now North African regions, is inevitable. Our presence and actions taking place in the entire region are not helping. Nice to know our great "allies" Saudi Arabia and Pakistan are helping out the CIC.

Out of curiosity, anyone know what kind of MiGs were used in the bombings? I read a while ago of a conflict around Ethiopia where Mig-29s fought against Su-27s; an interesting match up of the similar Russian made fighters. I wouldn't be surprised if some modern US weaponry suddenly found its way into the hands of Christian Ethiopian troops.

Between this conflict, the arrests of the Iranians in Iraq, and the probablility that Iran is fueling the fire in Somalia, interesting times are ahead.



posted on Dec, 25 2006 @ 11:10 PM
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Originally posted by DYepes
Well I sure called that now didn't I? I am curious to see if the Ethiopians will try and annex some territory as "spoils of war" later on in this campaign.

Now what about defending your country in the name of God all mighty? Does that warrant the terrorist label?

[edit on 12/25/2006 by DYepes]


Now D, I never said that I think that would be a good idea at the moment. If you reread my post, I made a clear distinction as to what would make me feel that way. War is hell, no doubt. What my main problem is is when people get overly-zealous and start dragging dead bodies through streets. That, right there, is where I draw the line. It's just wrong in so many ways that I can't even begin to label them all.

I don't care who does it, they drag some dead person through the streets as a way to taunt someone else, they should die. That's a cold-hearted statement, I know, but I can't help feeling at least a little patriotic towards my poor soldiers that got dragged around. What would you do if it was your sibling being dragged around? I'm sure you'd fight back, seeing as how that's the nature of anyone caught in danger like that.

Just an observation.

TheBorg



posted on Dec, 26 2006 @ 12:18 AM
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Originally posted by TheBorg
I don't like to see people die anymore than the next guy, but I think the US should stay the heck out of this one. We already have our hands so full of war that I don't think we could handle anymore. I say let them duke it out.


From what I've read, we'ved already had military advisors there helping the Ethiopian forces become more professional for a long time. I would support sending more arms and advisors, but I wouldn't want to see U.S. troops on the ground there either unless it appears the Ethiopian government is going to fall to Islamic terrorists from Somalia.

Ethiopia is one of the oldest continuously sovereign Christian nation and it would be unthinkable to allow it to be overridden by Islamic terrorists.



posted on Dec, 26 2006 @ 04:50 AM
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Originally posted by DYepes
1500 Somali Students register to fight against Ethiopian troops


Ismail Ali, one of the volunteers said, “I am registering myself to defend my country against the Ethiopian Christians. They have occupied my country and they refused to leave our country. By Allah, we will evict them forcefully”.


This is very troublesome to me. Once again, it is an example of war based upon religious differences.


How long will it be until these students are called terrorists? I am guessing as soon as they pickup a weapon in order to defend their nation?

If you blow up a building simply because it is occupied by someone of another faith, you already are a terrorist.

Just remember this genesis as tensions escalate. Because soon, everybody will forget what the original fighting was about.



posted on Dec, 26 2006 @ 05:04 AM
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That's something I've been wondering for a while now myself. Why is it that people have to continue to segregate themselves by religion? Can they not just shut up and get along with the rest of the world like civilized humans? If they weren't out killing people all the time, none of this would be happening. We wouldn't be in Iraq, Darfur wouldn't be happening, this lil fight wouldn't be happening, and not to mention the people would all be happy.

What a shame it is that people don't understand tolerance. Such a simple concept, and yet it's been bred out of almost everyone, in favor of radicalism. No wonder the whole world's gone to pot.

TheBorg



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