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Goode Not So Good For Muslims

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posted on Dec, 21 2006 @ 05:51 PM
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While I careless if the politician is Christian, Muslin or devil worshiper . . . I find very disturbing that in a nation that radical muslin is seem as evil and that many Americans can not differentiate between Muslin, Islam and Koran . . . is interesting to see how a Muslin American got elected.

Now for the dangers of having a Muslin trying to bring their religious views and make it into laws to give favors to American Muslins in the US . . . is hardly impossible right now.

But like somebody already say before me . . . Radical Islam goal is to spread their wings and influences into nations around the world.

What better way than getting involve in politics. . . specially in the US.

But like anything in this nation many people seems not to be able to see beyond the tip of their noses and when reality strikes it will be to late.

BTW Obama is not a muslin.




posted on Dec, 21 2006 @ 07:08 PM
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Originally posted by NumberCruncher
After dealing with the Nazis, we should have learned that we must fight evil. Instead, Armys of Apologists have learned that it’s evil to fight.

And apparently you haven't figured out why the Nazis were evil in the first place. They were evil because they demonized entire groups of people for no good reason beyond either race or religion. And you doing the same thing makes you no different.


The apologists, collaborators and Islamofascists HATE people with a fighting spirit, People who are not prepared to resist and are eager to submit, they hate others who do not want to submit and are prepared to fight.

They hate them because they are afraid that the latter will endanger their lives . In their view everyone must submit.

Thank god theres still Millions and Millions of us aware of this Phenomena, we are the Resistance to Submission we are fighting the people trying to instill this new world order.

Long live our Empire.


Yes, we must fight evil, but open your eyes before you start swinging that axe because you'll be bound to take out allies.



posted on Dec, 21 2006 @ 07:14 PM
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Originally posted by supercheetah
And apparently you haven't figured out why the Nazis were evil in the first place. They were evil because they demonized entire groups of people for no good reason beyond either race or religion. And you doing the same thing makes you no different.



Ok just for this line alone was worth it.


You have voted supercheetah for the Way Above Top Secret award. You have one more vote left for this month.



posted on Dec, 21 2006 @ 07:18 PM
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Originally posted by supercheetah
And apparently you haven't figured out why the Nazis were evil in the first place. They were evil because they demonized entire groups of people for no good reason beyond either race or religion.



Thats exactly what im saying, Millions of Islamofascists are demonizing against every Faith and Beleif system on this planet that doesnt fall under the Banner of Islam.

They want there caliphate but it will never come of fruition, the task of stopping them is enormously hindered just like Nazism was prior to WW2 by the apologists and Denyers, people just like you in fact





posted on Dec, 21 2006 @ 07:30 PM
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The term Islamofascist is one of the most stupid terms to come out of the Bush White House. First off using the term fascist suggests that there is a party or ideology that unites them and that is simply not the case....there are Sunni militants who oppose Shiia Militants and vise a versa as well as other groups that are more nationalistic than others. Besides that, there are not MILLIONS of them like some monolithic movement.

There are far more good and decent Muslims who enshew all violence than there are screaming for blood. Just as there are plenty of good and decent conservatives who know the difference between reality and bullhooey than there are the idiots who fall for such knee jerk phrases as islamofascist without thinking it through....unfortunately it is the idiots that make the most noise.

BTW the congressman from Minnosota can trace his family here back to the 1770's making Goode (who has refused to apologize) look like an even bigger idiot than he already is.



posted on Dec, 21 2006 @ 07:44 PM
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Originally posted by grover
The term Islamofascist is one of the most stupid terms to come out of the Bush White House.



Sorry but Bush cant take credit for this word, he may of popurlized it, but we where using it way before he said it, the term was introduced by the French Marxist Maxine Rodinson to describe the Iranian Revolution of 1978.


Islamofascism IS a word, it IS an Idealology and MILLIONS of Islamofascists seek to impose there beleifs upon US.




posted on Dec, 21 2006 @ 07:56 PM
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Originally posted by grover

BTW the congressman from Minnosota can trace his family here back to the 1770's making Goode (who has refused to apologize) look like an even bigger idiot than he already is.


Grover
According to the article Mr. Ellison only converted to Islam during his school days in College.

Pie



posted on Dec, 21 2006 @ 07:57 PM
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This is slightly away from the original topic, but I must say that I really liked this quote, NumberCruncher:


Originally posted by NumberCruncher

Sura (2:225) - "Allah will not call you to account for thoughtlessness in your oaths, but for the intention in your hearts"

.www.usc.edu...




To think that one's intentions are more damning (or rewarding) than what one says puts things into a slightly different perspective. Now I feel better in thinking that the person who doesn't pay a dime to their church because they're trying to support their own family is going to possibly be looked at in higher regard than the person who fills the donation tray just to impress the rest of the parishoners.

It's also nice to know that someone who screws me over willingly will get punished, while the person who messes things up on accident, who was honestly trying to do the right thing and botched it miserably (like me quite frequently) will at least meet neutrality for that offense if not reward.

Thanks NumberCruncher
I like that.



posted on Dec, 21 2006 @ 08:33 PM
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Originally posted by ThePieMaN

Originally posted by grover

BTW the congressman from Minnosota can trace his family here back to the 1770's making Goode (who has refused to apologize) look like an even bigger idiot than he already is.


Grover
According to the article Mr. Ellison only converted to Islam during his school days in College.

Pie



I referred to his family, not his religion when I wrote that.

So what are we to say then about christofascists? Or Judeaofascists? There is not a religion out there that does not have its blind fanatics who do stupid and violent things in the name of their God. So are we to judge all of the believers of any specific (or all of them for that matter) based on the behavior of the few?



posted on Dec, 21 2006 @ 08:43 PM
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Originally posted by grover

So what are we to say then about christofascists? Or Judeaofascists?



You can Go for your life with those little labels, thats fine, actually we encourage it, because you cant sum up extremism in the West broadly with any of those words as were such a mix. And extremists within those said faiths are a drop in the ocean compared to the shear number of Islamofascists.

We can quickly and easyily summarise Islamic Extremism with the one word Islamofascism. The only small thing against the word Islamofascism is that it can lead to oversimplification of the causes of terrorism, but we'd have to write pages to be specific !!





posted on Dec, 22 2006 @ 12:20 AM
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There should be no religious document, the only document that matters is the constituion. To hell with the bible and quran and all those who like to create history by calling us a "Christian nation". We are SECULAR. If you want a theocracy, move to Iran.



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[edit on 22/12/2006 by Mirthful Me]



posted on Dec, 22 2006 @ 12:24 AM
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The official swearing in uses no book, just a raised hand. The ceremonial swearing in with the Bible is optional and I think anyone who wants one should be able to use the holy book of their choice. Goode's tying this to immigration of Muslims is really a stupid connection to make IMHO.



posted on Dec, 22 2006 @ 12:27 AM
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djhonsto, I don't think anything dealing with the government should have religion in it. Private swearing or not. It is secular. That goes for court rooms as well. If they like swearing on their holy books, they can do it when they are not representing a COUNTRY.



posted on Dec, 22 2006 @ 02:40 AM
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Originally posted by grover
So what are we to say then about christofascists? Or Judeaofascists? There is not a religion out there that does not have its blind fanatics who do stupid and violent things in the name of their God. So are we to judge all of the believers of any specific (or all of them for that matter) based on the behavior of the few?


If you tell a Evangalist Christian that godhatesfags. com are Christians they will deny it, even though they are in fact Christians. Usually its just people making excuses and turning a blind eye to the truth and bad about their own offshoots.


Glenn Beck had the audacity to question Mr. Ellison as to wether or not he was working with the enemy asking him "Sir, prove to me that you are not working for our enemies." another xenophobe.



posted on Dec, 22 2006 @ 03:41 AM
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Originally posted by NumberCruncher

Originally posted by supercheetah
And apparently you haven't figured out why the Nazis were evil in the first place. They were evil because they demonized entire groups of people for no good reason beyond either race or religion.



Thats exactly what im saying, Millions of Islamofascists are demonizing against every Faith and Beleif system on this planet that doesnt fall under the Banner of Islam.

They want there caliphate but it will never come of fruition, the task of stopping them is enormously hindered just like Nazism was prior to WW2 by the apologists and Denyers, people just like you in fact


Is the following what you mean? All Muslims are evil simply by virtue of being Muslim--not because some subset of Muslims have radicalized Islamic beliefs. How is that better than Nazism?

Should we round up all Muslims living in the country, and relocate them to internment camps just to keep a better eye on them?



posted on Dec, 22 2006 @ 05:13 AM
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Just because someone coins a term, and just because someone uses it does not mean that it is true.

Are there extremists in Islam? Of course there are.
Are there extremists in Christianity? Of course there are.
Are there extremists in Judaism? Of course there are.
Are there extremists in most if not all the other faiths as well? Of course there are.

What do people who shoot a doctor who does abortions, or one who walks into a mosque in Hebron and guns down the congregation, or the one who flies a plane into a building all have in common?

They all are extreme minorities in their respective faiths and by their acts violate the very fundamental principle of their faiths and are no more good Jews or Christians or Muslims than the person who denies any decency in their respective faiths at all.

The heart and soul of all these faiths is compassion, not extremism and violence and without compassion we are no better than our prejudices.



posted on Dec, 22 2006 @ 05:21 AM
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Islamofascists have conducted attacks in Iraq and India and the Sudan and Algeria and Afghanistan and New York and Pakistan and Israel and Russia and Chechnya and the Philippines and Indonesia and Nigeria and England and Thailand and Spain and Egypt and Bangladesh and Saudi Arabia and Ingushetia and Dagestan and Turkey and Kabardino-Balkaria and Morocco and Yemen and Lebanon and France and Uzbekistan and Gaza and Tunisia and Kosovo and Bosnia and Mauritania and Kenya and Eritrea and Syria and Somalia and California and Argentina and Kuwait and Virginia and Ethiopia and Iran and Jordan and United Arab Emirates and Louisiana and Texas and Tanzania and Germany and Australia and Pennsylvania and Belgium and Denmark and East Timor and Qatar and Maryland and Tajikistan and the Netherlands and Scotland and Chad and Canada and China and.......................

But apologists try to dismiss these people as a " Minority" and compare them in numbers to Christofascists and Judeofascists.

Just face it, drop the veil of denial, Islaofasicists conduct more unprovoked attacks against innocent people than any other group period.

The healing or reconciliation process simply will not begin until the apologists and denyers accept this FACT !



posted on Dec, 22 2006 @ 06:00 AM
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Originally posted by NumberCruncher
Islamofascists have conducted attacks in Iraq and India and the Sudan and Algeria and Afghanistan and New York and Pakistan and Israel and Russia and Chechnya and the Philippines and Indonesia and Nigeria and England and Thailand and Spain and Egypt and Bangladesh and Saudi Arabia and Ingushetia and Dagestan and Turkey and Kabardino-Balkaria and Morocco and Yemen and Lebanon and France and Uzbekistan and Gaza and Tunisia and Kosovo and Bosnia and Mauritania and Kenya and Eritrea and Syria and Somalia and California and Argentina and Kuwait and Virginia and Ethiopia and Iran and Jordan and United Arab Emirates and Louisiana and Texas and Tanzania and Germany and Australia and Pennsylvania and Belgium and Denmark and East Timor and Qatar and Maryland and Tajikistan and the Netherlands and Scotland and Chad and Canada and China and.......................

But apologists try to dismiss these people as a " Minority" and compare them in numbers to Christofascists and Judeofascists.

Just face it, drop the veil of denial, Islaofasicists conduct more unprovoked attacks against innocent people than any other group period.

The healing or reconciliation process simply will not begin until the apologists and denyers accept this FACT !
I still want to know if you think all Muslims are radicals, and therefore evil. Debating Islamofascism is moot if you think all Muslims are Islamofascists.

Are all Muslims Islamofascists/evil?

This thread will go no where until you answer that question.

[edit on 12/22/2006 by supercheetah]



posted on Dec, 22 2006 @ 06:07 AM
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Obviously he does.

I have never said the numbers were comparable. What I have said though is that extremists of this type regardless of their professed religion are in actuality the antithesis of it. A huge distinction which I expect will go over numbers head.

Out of a billion Muslims there are what? 100, 200,000 (maybe) violent extremists? Hell that is less than population of the valley I live in which is just north of Virgil Goodes district.

I am not an apologist for anybody....just well read in history and cultivate a broader world view than some.

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posted on Dec, 22 2006 @ 06:25 AM
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Originally posted by NumberCruncher
Islamofascists have conducted attacks in Iraq and India and the Sudan and Algeria and Afghanistan and New York and Pakistan and Israel and Russia and Chechnya and the Philippines and Indonesia and Nigeria and England and Thailand and Spain and Egypt and Bangladesh and Saudi Arabia and Ingushetia and Dagestan and Turkey and Kabardino-Balkaria and Morocco and Yemen and Lebanon and France and Uzbekistan and Gaza and Tunisia and Kosovo and Bosnia and Mauritania and Kenya and Eritrea and Syria and Somalia and California and Argentina and Kuwait and Virginia and Ethiopia and Iran and Jordan and United Arab Emirates and Louisiana and Texas and Tanzania and Germany and Australia and Pennsylvania and Belgium and Denmark and East Timor and Qatar and Maryland and Tajikistan and the Netherlands and Scotland and Chad and Canada and China and.......................

But apologists try to dismiss these people as a " Minority" and compare them in numbers to Christofascists and Judeofascists.

Just face it, drop the veil of denial, Islaofasicists conduct more unprovoked attacks against innocent people than any other group period.

The healing or reconciliation process simply will not begin until the apologists and denyers accept this FACT !



We need more details than a list of countries where Muslims have commited acts of violence. For example, were the acts carried out for the fun of it? due to religious extremism? Acts of war against an enemy? Acts of war against occupying forces? acts of war against a vicious onslaught from, say, Russians in Chechnya.

Remember: violence is not exclusive to one group. Europeans, Cubans, Latin Americans, Russians.Americans, Jews have all carried out acts of terrorism over the last 50 years both at a state sponsored level and at an individual level.

The Welsh are reasonably happy with their lot and so do not constantly wage a terror campaign against the English. If we decided to invade Wales and occupy their oil fields and bomb them from 30,000 feet...maybe you'd be seeing Welsh suicide bombers on your news, tonight?

We have appaling problems in Engalnd with violence carried out by English men...sometimes this country resembles a Clockwork Orange. Just last week on TV I saw cctv footage of 3 young football fans, happily running along from an Arsenal football game...after stabbing a stranger for no reason and leaving him for dead. Killing just for the sheer fun of it.

This, however, does not mean that all - or even most- Englishmen are dangerous and should be avoided.

If you know your history you'll know that violence and terrorism have always been carried out and for a wide variety of reasons,

There are situatuions where it is legitimate for Muslims to use force.

It is US/UK/Nato/"allied" battleships, cruise missiles, cluster bombs and tanks in Muslim countries - not the other way around.

Psychiatrists understand the concept of "projection".



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