An Advanced Civilization on Earth Thousands Of Years Ago??

My point, which I have been stating over and over is..how do we know who is right when there IS conflict and missing data on both sides?

you use factual data and common sense
what your basically saying is:-

how do we know that they didn't have nuclear weapons when they didn't know what bronze was or how to make an alloy
or
how do we know that they did have nuclear weapons when there is no physical evidence whatsoever of one ever being used before 1945
or
how do we know that they knew about nuclear physics when they didn't write anything about that knowledge at all
or
how do we know that the gods were real and had heavier than air flying machines and advanced weapons when there is no archaeological evidence of their existence

you should use this phrase to work out the problem

an absence of evidence is the only evidence of absence

another article, this time from mainstream science in the "new scientist." provided by fellow member etshrtslr in my previously mentioned thread:

Originally posted by etshrtslr

Within a few million years, erosion and possibly another ice age or two will have obliterated most of even these faint traces. If another intelligent species ever evolves on the Earth - and that is by no means certain, given how long life flourished before we came along - it may well have no inkling that we were ever here save for a few peculiar fossils and ossified relics. The humbling - and perversely comforting - reality is that the Earth will forget us remarkably quickly.

www.newscientist.com...

the "timesonline" further expands on this article:

timesonline
IF MAN were to vanish from the face of the Earth today, his footprint on the planet would linger for the mere blink of an eye in geological terms.

and a handy graph:

graph

again, thanks to etshrtslr for the sources.

thats all very interesting but what does it have to do with the topic we are discussing ?

the Maharbta was written in 500bce
detailing events that supposedly took place around that time
not events caused by a previous intelligent species

If another intelligent species ever evolves on the Earth - and that is by no means certain, given how long life flourished before we came along - it may well have no inkling that we were ever here save for a few peculiar fossils and ossified relics.

until they get to the moon and find this


then theres going to be some awkward silences and questions

I used to believe all this... and all that annunaki jazz too.

but then this fabulous thing called FACTS ended up getting in the way and now i have to listen to bozos on Coast2Coast and ATS spewing the "same old same old"...

Seriously, the facts are stated. READ them.

Originally posted by Marduk
the Maharbta was written in 500bce
detailing events that supposedly took place around that time
not events caused by a previous intelligent species

How do we know this? It may be surmised that:

1. The event could have taken place thousands of years before it was written!
2. There could have been an ancient war between alien races on Earth which is what is described. (An ATS search would throw up a zillion threads on this!)

If another intelligent species ever evolves on the Earth it may well have no inkling that we were ever here save for a few peculiar fossils and ossified relics.

Originally posted by Marduk
until they get to the moon and find this..

then theres going to be some awkward silences and questions

That's provided the Moon landing wasn't a hoax!! If it was, then there would be NO trace of mankind except probably a non descript stone lying where the White House was, with an inscription saying 'Dubya was here'!!

How do we know this? It may be surmised that:

1. The event could have taken place thousands of years before it was written!
2. There could have been an ancient war between alien races on Earth which is what is described. (An ATS search would throw up a zillion threads on this!)

1.if it took place thousands of years before it was written then it isn't a contemporary account and so is not accurate. there goes your nuclear weapon. look at what happened to the ark of noah over just 3000 years. it started off as the wall of a small house and ended up large enough to contain two of every animal on earth. so your explosion by the same rules started off as a campfire.
2. alien races which happen to look exactly the same as humans and who fight with known human armies. besides which the Mahabatra is the epic tale of a quarrel between the Pandavas and the Kauravas that culminated in a terrible fratricidal war. While primarily a book concerned with the acts of mankind, it had a major impact on Hindu belief because of the role that Krishna plays during the climax of the epic. He acts as a counsel to the hero, Arjuna, on the way of the cosmos.

and really all this stuff about Shivas trident being a nuclear weapon is easily solved by having a look at him holding it

looks very non nuclear to me Mike


would you claim that the cities of soddom and gomorroh were also nuked
how about several mesopotamian cities that were claimed to have been destroyed by fire from god all without any archaeological evidence of a nuclear attack or any sign of radiation or any advanced technology at all
what did they do afterwards go round cleaning up the wreckage ?

btw you know that one of Shivas sons was an elephant god called Ganesha
which planet was he from trunko ?


when you dig into this a little deeper you'll see that the God Shiva actually evolved from the God Rudra, a harappan deity
this places the events no later than around 2500bce
see its not just the events that get changed and twisted over time
its also the characters

how about that Greek god zeus eh
casting down thunderbolts from mount olympus
he didnt exist until at the very earliest 1500bce
how about the roman god Jupiter and his thunderbolts
he didn't exist until at the earliest 500bce
and then of course you have Jehova and his thunderbolts
he didn't exist until 400CE
or mohammed and his thundebolts
he didn't exist until 800CE
you can't claim one story is accurate and another not when you are judging them with a personal belief
they must all be stories about nuclear weapons or none of them are

at some point you have to accept that people like a good story
they prefer it over factual stories most of the time
how would you feel if sci fi was banned and replaced by nature documentaries
bummer eh

Ok one thing, Not all of us have been posting to ATS sence the dawn of its time. we look into something and think that it is a brand new idea to us but everyone else here has hammered it to death. I know everything has been done under the sun but heres the catch 22 in all of this...

you go and research the old threads and post a new reply and get hammered for bumping an old thread.

so what do you do?

you got a new insight into somthing a thousand people have talked about. you don't know that a thousand people have talked about it. but you want to talk about it. so you post a new thread. Someone hammers you for posting something that has already been talked about.

so you research and find a three year old thread that hasent been posted to for ages. you post to it and get nailed for bumping an old thread

whats the solution?

Sorry about the non discussion of the OP here goes...

yep people in the ancient past had a lot of knowledge about modern day science. I bet if we looked deep enough we would find that these ancient cultures knew more thain we give them credit for.

[edit on 22-12-2006 by whatukno]

I bet if we looked deep enough we would find that these ancient cultures knew more thain we give them credit for.

well we have been looking
and so far theres no sign of any advanced technology
any suggestions as to where we should dig ?

well we have been looking
and so far theres no sign of any advanced technology
any suggestions as to where we should dig ?

There could literally have been thousands of advanced civilizations with technology in the 4.5 billion years since the earth was formed.

It only takes 200,000 years to eradicate all traces of mankind. So it does not matter where you dig.

www.timesonline.co.uk...

[edit on 23-12-2006 by etshrtslr]

It only takes 200,000 years to eradicate all traces of mankind. So it does not matter where you dig.

thats great news then
it only took us 100,000 years to evolve from our last homo ancestor
so should be plenty to find

so why isnt there



[edit on 23-12-2006 by Marduk]

it only took us 100,000 years to evolve from our last homo ancestor

You answered your own question.

Go back a billion years how many civilization could have evolved and created technology then destroyed themselves then 200,000 years later there was nothing left to show they ever even existed.

Within the time frame of a billion years there could have been hundreds if not thousands of technological advanced civilizations.

civilisations of what
Civilisation is not an evolutionary expectation
its a freak of nature
intelligence and self awareness coupled with socialisation is an evolutionary advantage in our case and our case alone in the history of this planet.

theres no evidence otherwise
so why bother pretending there is because you want it to be that way
that won't make it true !!

have you been watching that Voyager episode with the dinosaurs ?