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French had Bin Laden in their Sights

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posted on Dec, 19 2006 @ 10:14 PM
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www.news.com.au...

Sounds like another spin on Bin Laden being let live when he could of been taken out. This is a new documentary coming out stating the French had him in their sights but the US command would not give the order to have him taken down.




posted on Dec, 20 2006 @ 05:34 AM
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I don't entirely buy the claims.
If Bin Laden had been sighted why would anybody have to wait for orders to kill him ?
That is unless it has to be an American that kills Bin Laden for political reasons after all if the French killed him they couldn't be made out to be baddies anymore.



posted on Dec, 20 2006 @ 05:42 AM
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Originally posted by xpert11
I don't entirely buy the claims.
If Bin Laden had been sighted why would anybody have to wait for orders to kill him ?
That is unless it has to be an American that kills Bin Laden for political reasons after all if the French killed him they couldn't be made out to be baddies anymore.


Because Bin Laden works for the CIA, thought everyone knew that by now, they want him alive so they can wage their bogus "War on Terror", why do you think the US has forces in Afganistan all this time? Do you really believe they have been looking for Bin Laden all this time and still haven't found him??? And is it merely coincidence that while the US troops are in Afganistan that the CIA have taken control of the Afgan poppy fields and now heroin production from Afganistan has reached record levels!!! Wake up

Let Bin Laden stay free, says CIA man
www.timesonline.co.uk...

CIA Commander: U.S. Let bin Laden Slip Away
www.msnbc.msn.com...

How the CIA created Osama bin Laden
www.greenleft.org.au...

CIA agent alleged to have met Bin Laden in July
www.guardian.co.uk...

Osama bin Laden, A.K.A.
CIA Asset "Tim Osman"
www.whatreallyhappened.com...



posted on Dec, 20 2006 @ 06:04 AM
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Originally posted by xpert11
If Bin Laden had been sighted why would anybody have to wait for orders to kill him ?


Exactly. And if the French had UBL and got him, then they would earn some respect from the Americans, who at this point don't think too highly of the French.

I do not believe this story at all.



posted on Dec, 20 2006 @ 06:23 AM
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I guess if we didn't have Osama to hate it would be someone like maybe Mustaffa Muhamad Ahmed on the list and to be honest if you are all of a sudden going to change the "Boogey Man" mid crisis or even worse lose him carelessly to the French then how are you going to sell his sequels to the sheep ?.

Im betting coming to a cinema near you is "Osama Bin Evil 17" raping babies and sodomizing society upping the FEAR factor.

Dont buy it, let alone rent it



posted on Dec, 20 2006 @ 08:03 AM
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Originally posted by FlyersFan
Exactly. And if the French had UBL and got him, then they would earn some respect from the Americans, who at this point don't think too highly of the French.

I do not believe this story at all.


Earn some respect!!!!!!!!!!!
Do you really think the french public want to earn respect from the americans??? The french public mostly intensely dislike the americans and in no way do they want to "earn some respect" from the americans. AND you very conveniently forget that the french were correct about Bush telling lies about WMD to go to war with Iraq. It would be more appropriate if USA tried to "earn some respect" from the rest of the world.

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posted on Dec, 20 2006 @ 09:59 AM
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Originally posted by golddragnet
Do you really think the french public want to earn respect from the americans???


Government. Not public.

If the French government was able to bring in UBL (or kill him with evidence of the kill) then they would indeed earn some respect from America. Right now, France is laughed at by us. But the bigger thing is that if the French government got UBL, then our government would be in a position of having to acknoweldge the French leadership as being able to do something we couldn't. I'm sure the French government would LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOVE that.

Therefore --- I do not believe the story that was posted. If the French had UBL in their sights they would have nailed him no matter what we said.


The french public mostly intensely dislike the americans

So what? No one likes the French - except the terrorists (*sarcasm intended) . So they don't like us? NEWS FLASH - we know and we don't care!



the french were correct about Bush telling lies about WMD to go to war with Iraq.


No. The French representative at the UN Security Council was BOUGHT OFF by Saddam with stolen Oil for Food money. THAT is why France didn't vote to go to war with Iraq. There wasn't anything alturistic about it. Oh .. and the WMD were used on the KURDS. AND, given the fact that France was being bought off and stalled us going into Iraq, Saddam was able to move the WMD to Syria and Russia.


It would be more appropriate if USA tried to "earn some respect" from the rest of the world.


Baaah!
No thanks. Your version of 'earning respect' would most likely be to roll over and play dead. Not a freak'n chance. I don't care if socialist French don't like us. That's their problem. Oh .. but the France you see today will basically not be around in 25 years so they should probably be taking care of their own problems before they disappear into the Islamic state they are becoming.

[edit on 12/20/2006 by FlyersFan]



posted on Dec, 20 2006 @ 10:32 AM
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I have to disagree on a few points.
And you say the French gov is laughed at by the US. Don't you understand the US gov is laughed at by the French.
The US gov could have brought in Bin Laden, it was widely reported a few times that US troops had Bin Laden in sights, but they let him go, the war on terror would have to end too abrutly if he was caught. The French government are very aware that the US troops are not really trying to catch Bin Laden.
The strength of the euro against the dollar is another reason why the French are not interested inearning respect from the americans.

You certainly over-estimate the position of the US gov on the international stage. France is not trying to impress US, and what is more France and the rest of the world is watching the US fail dismally in Iraq and the US economy is suffering and the dollar is looking very suspect. There is now a trend being set for countries to start trading il in the Euro instead of the dollar.

By and large, the french public don't like the americans and haven't any desire to "impress" Bush and his admin. If they did why do you think they opposed the Iraq war so strongly in the first place.

You say no-one likes the French, but surely you understand that USA and the americans are now the most disliked nation in the world.

As for French people being involved in the oil for food scam, they certainly weren't the only ones, the people who profitted most out of that were americans.

You don't like the idea of USA earning respect in the world, a typical attitude that makes the americans so disliked. Is your idea of winning respect going into Iraq, securing their oil fields, causeing slaughter and major human rights abuses, raping women and children in abu ghraib and elsewhere, and going into Afganistan and also causing slaughter and gaining control of the heroin trade, afganistan now produces more heroin than ever before under US control.

And you say that the France of today won't be around in 20 years, you mean similar to USA, where in 20 years it will be very different also, after it has formed its alliance with Canada and Mexico, and it will be all one large fascist state?

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posted on Dec, 20 2006 @ 11:04 AM
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First - Just a helpful hint and not a slam - you are going to get in trouble for excessive quoting. You quoted my entire post and it is against the rules to do so. The mods will get you for it. Be careful.


Originally posted by golddragnet
Don't you understand the US gov is laughed at by the French.

Don't you understand that we don't care? Didn't you read my post?


The US gov could have brought in Bin Laden,

... and they screwed up in not doing so. MAJOR screw up.


The French government are very aware that the US troops are not really trying to catch Bin Laden.

That's not true. If the French government thinks that then they are wrong. The US TROOPS very much want UBL. The fact is that the higher ups in the US system screwed up and UBL got away.


France is not trying to impress US,

You missed the point. If France had gotten UBL then it would be able to EMBARRASS the American government. France would be able to say that it got UBL when America couldn't. The American people would have a certain amount of respect for those who got UBL (France) and disrespect for those who couldn't pull it off (USA Gov.) The anti-American French government would LOVE that.

THAT is the main reason why I disbelieve the story posted. If France had gotten UBL it would be a MAJOR feather in their cap and it would make Bush look even weaker. They wouldnt' turn down the opportunity to do that.


If they did why do you think they opposed the Iraq war so strongly in the first place.

The French are socialists who don't like America. period. That's it. No other reason is necessary. However, the French Gov't was paid off by Saddam with ILLEGAL money stolen from Iraqis in the Oil for Food scandal.


You say no-one likes the French, but surely you understand that USA and the americans are now the most disliked nation in the world.

Again ... I don't care.


As for French people being involved in the oil for food scam, they certainly weren't the only ones, the people who profitted most out of that were americans.


I never said the French were the only ones. Russia and China were also involved. However, you are dead wrong when you say that the USA profited most for the Oil for Food scandal.
dead wrong.


You don't like the idea of USA earning respect in the world, a typical attitude that makes the americans so disliked.

Again .. I don't care.


going into Iraq, securing their oil fields,

If we wanted to keep them, we would have kept the KUWAITI ones we liberated 15 years ago. The arguement that we went in to steal oil fields is pathetic.


slaughter and major human rights abuses,

Innocent people being killed accidentily by US troops is minimal. The mass slaughter of Saddams regime is in the hundreds of thousands. The human rights abuses by his regime were major ... the few National Guard soldiers that had dogs bark at naked POWs in abu ghraib have been prosecuted. There is no comparison.


raping women and children in abu ghraib and elsewhere,

Oh please. Saddam had a national policy of MASS RAPE. Americans are not going around raping in mass numbers. That simply isn't true.


and going into Afganistan

Afghanistan was completely justified. The Taliban were hiding and protecting UBL - who attacked us first. They were given warning to turn him over. They refused. We went in. BTW .. the Taliban were evil and deadly. They weren't peaceful little farmers minding their own business.


France of today won't be around in 20 years,

It won't. One generation and it will be an islamic state.



posted on Dec, 20 2006 @ 11:29 AM
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The French military says it never happened. Did somebody here just missed those words?

Since when does the French listen to us when they go into combat to fight Taliban and Al Qaeda fighters?



posted on Dec, 20 2006 @ 12:11 PM
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if the story were true, the french would have surrendered to Bin Laden.

It's their M.O.



posted on Dec, 21 2006 @ 03:34 AM
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All this animosity towards the French and everything French was concocted by the neo-con media because they and the Germans didn't want to join the coalition of the "Stupid".

The French thought they could play with the big boys in the Oil stakes and were banking on the Arab states to start selling their oil in Euro's instead of the US dollar.

To hate the French over this issue is just plain dumb, hate them for being so pathetic in both world wars and having to be saved twice, but they were just trying to position themselves into financial dominance and you could say any Government that didn't try and become economically savvy would not be there come next election.

Yes they are a democratic government and have been for a long time so blame the party in power for not succeeding in their goal but dont flame the French people.



posted on Dec, 21 2006 @ 04:46 AM
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Its nice to see that xenophobia is alive and well in the USA.

When you people are whining on about the fact that the "world hates the USA" maybe you ought to look at your attitudes towards other nations.

You reap what you sow, its as simple as that.

People may not have visited the US, but on a messageboard viewed by so many people across the world you are ambassadors for your country.

Don't buy into the bull# that people across the world dislike the US because of its freedoms, they dislike it because of the attitudes that have been displayed above.



posted on Dec, 21 2006 @ 06:08 AM
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Originally posted by neformore
When you people are whining on about the fact that the "world hates the USA" maybe you ought to look at your attitudes towards other nations.


Maybe YOU ought to look at what was actually posted. No one was whining that the world hates us.
Actually, the exact opposite is true.

WE DON'T CARE!


Originally posted by mazzroth
because they and the Germans didn't want to join the coalition of the "Stupid".


Uh ... no.

Germany and France didn't join the coalition of the willing because their CORRUPT UN security council members took multi-million dollar bribes from Saddam to vote against war.

Oil for Food scandal. Corruption with France, Germany, and Russia.

There was nothing alturistic or intelligent about it. It was all due to greed and illegal UN activities on the part of France, Germany and Russia.


[edit on 12/21/2006 by FlyersFan]



posted on Dec, 21 2006 @ 06:50 AM
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This news may be right, but it is not new news, I heard this at least one year ago on the French television. If I remember it was someone from some special force who told this story. I think they had to report to the US military because they are in charge of everything down there. The US gave the order not to attack. OBL was passing in some sort of canyon.

I have the feeling this is true.

Off topic: it's ok to say that most eu countries don't like the American government, but surely not the Americans. We are all brothers.

Then I would like to respond to "The French are socialists who don't like America". France is a democracy. It's now politically 50% left and 50% right. The french gov who who fought Bush's ideas is from the right.

I am not French and I don't live in France. But I am sure they did the right thing. You only have to listen to the last Bush speech...



posted on Dec, 21 2006 @ 08:34 AM
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Flyers Fan, it is pointless to try to discuss anything with you because you are totally deluded about the intentions of yur US government. They are NOT trying to catch Bin Laden. The bogus war on terror is worth billions of dollars to them.
USA was in Iraq to create a stronghold in the middle east and to secure the oil fields. You are totally deluded if you believe otherwise, do you still really believe the lies about WMD, do you really imagine that is the reason they went to war with Iraq??? They tried to link Saddam to Al Qaeda also but that didn't stick, the lies about WMD have been exposed, they ARE extracting oil, so why are you fooled into thinking they are in Iraq for any other reason.
The rest on the world dislikes american foreign policy, the rest of the world is aware that Bush lied about WMD and it was all about oil and money from armaments and securing a base in the middle east.
Did you really believe Bush about WMD??? You must be very gullible



posted on Dec, 21 2006 @ 08:46 AM
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Originally posted by golddragnet
Flyers Fan,you are totally deluded ... You must be very gullible


right back atchya slick


If the anti-American French government had UBL within reach they would have grabbed it with all their might. They would have LOVED to embarrass Bush and America. There is no way they would passed up a golden opportunity to do that.

I repeat ... I do not believe the story that was posted.

You missed the whole point.
But whatever... I have other things to go do.


Edited to add - calling me names after I helped you out with your 'excessive quoting' isn't nice. shame on you. I should have let you get a warning. Oh ... I am just toooooo nice for my own good sometimes!


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posted on Dec, 21 2006 @ 08:51 AM
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The French public are anti-american, the french government aren't really anti-american at all. And the French government is run by freemasons, the same as most other western governments.



posted on Dec, 21 2006 @ 12:43 PM
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posted on Dec, 21 2006 @ 02:36 PM
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There are several reasons why France wouldn't snipe UBL:

1) French troops in Afghanistan are under NATO command ie. US command. So for a matter of such importance France would have to ask authorization the US command.

2)There are a lot more muslims in France than in the US. Had France killed UBL it would have been impossible to prevent an attack on French soil. Counter terrorism and security measures in France totally sucks. For example one week after the Madrid attacks I went to the Istres French air force base (this a nuclear base) and manage to go to the restaurant of the base and approach US officers without even having my ID checked
. They didn't even check if I had a gun or a knife!!!

And by the way:

3) France doesn't give a poo about what the US thinks about us

4) French people doesn't hate americans, but hate US foreign policy

5) France voted no to Iraq invasion in UN coucil just because we knew Saddam had no WMD and because more than 90% of the population were against the invasion. France being a democracy our political leaders just reflected the will of the population. This had nothig to do with some oil corruption

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