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Originally posted by st3ve_o
or did he hint we should do anything for his birthday?
[edit on 19-12-2006 by st3ve_o]
10:2. Thus saith the Lord: Learn not according to the ways of the Gentiles: and be not afraid of the signs of heaven, which the heathens fear:
10:3. For the laws of the people are vain: for the works of the hand of the workman hath cut a tree out of the forest with an axe.
10:4. He hath decked it with silver and gold: he hath put it together with nails and hammers, that it may not fall asunder.
Originally posted by golddragnet but in todays materialistic world it is mostly true that Jesus isn't invited to his own birthday celebrations, it is all about shopping and drinking
Originally posted by whaaa
That is a pretty broad generalization..........
Originally posted by whaaa....... there are plenty of people that observe Christmas in a very biblical manner and realize the reason for the season.
Originally posted by rocknroll
And yet the day was meant to be an occasion to celebrate his birth, which it isn't anymore.
Christmas is not only a big advertising opportunity today;
it was actually created as an advertising campaign.
There is no biblical edict to celebrate the birth of Jesus and certainly it is clear that he was not born at the time of the winter solstice. The celebration of the winter solstice has been a part of most ancient cultures throughout history. The celebration of this event is actually an advertising campaign used by early church leaders to lure non-Christians into the church.
The Mesopotamian culture thousands of years before the birth of Jesus had winter solstice that included many of the trappings of Christmas. These included the 12 days of Christmas, the bright fires, the Yule log, the giving of gifts, carnivals, parades with floats, carolers, the holiday feasts, all dedicated to the god Marduk.
The Persians and the Babylonians celebrated a similar festival called the Sacaea. Part of that celebration included the exchanging of places, the slaves would become the masters and the masters were to obey.
Scandinavian cultures celebrated the winter solstice including a festival called Yuletide including a feast, which would be served around a fire burning with the Yule log. They also decorated trees with fruit.
In Scandinavia during the winter months the sun would disappear for many days. After thirty-five days scouts would be sent to the mountaintops to look for the return of the sun. When the first light was seen the scouts would return with the good news. A great festival would be held, called the Yuletide, and a special feast would be served around a fire burning with the Yule log. Great bonfires would also be lit to celebrate the return of the sun. In some areas people would tie apples to branches of trees to remind themselves that spring and summer would return.
The most direct relation these winter solstice festivals have to what is now called Christmas is the Roman celebration called Saturnalia, which took place on December 25th. The Roman festival marking the "birthday of the unconquered sun, Natalis Solis Invicti"; celebrated the winter solstice, when the days begin to lengthen. The problem for the early church leaders is that Saturnalia was in direct competition with the church right on their home turf, Rome.
Many campaigns were launched to outlaw and eradicate this pagan practice but this proved to be a difficult task. The lure of such interesting celebrations to Christians alarmed the church to such a degree that they took a step that forever changed the face of Christian practice. They decided that by integrating the previously forbidden customs into a new celebration honoring the Christian Son of God would lure the pagans into the Christian fold.
In 137 AD the Bishop of Rome declared for the first time that the birth of the Christ Child would be celebrated and the Bishop of Rome, Julius I, ordered the date of December 25th as the official day in 350 AD. Saint Boniface substituted a fir tree for the pagan oak in the eighth century as a symbol of faith. Martin Luther fostered the Christmas tree cult by using a candlelit tree as a symbol of Christ's heavenly home
This is one of the many examples of the church adopting ancient traditions to worship God, an example of the practice Jesus specifically condemned:
Mark 7: 7 Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men. 8 For laying aside the commandment of God, ye hold the tradition of men, as the washing of pots and cups: and many other such like things ye do. 9 And he said unto them, Full well ye reject the commandment of God, that ye may keep your own tradition.
Originally posted by whaaa
However with the growing evangalical movement; there are plenty of people that observe Christmas in a very biblical manner and realize the reason for the season.
Still.... Merry Christmas.........and may I have another glass of eggnog please?
Originally posted by an3rkistFrom what I understand, Christmas was never really meant to be the celebration of the Son of God.
Originally posted by jbondo
There are some things I disagree with you on, especially about interpretation of scripture.
The point I would like to make as a Christian is that there are still plenty of us that see Christmas for its intended purpose. As a sinner I can tell you that I sometimes get distracted and have to remind myself of the reason for this celebration.
I think a good practice to get into (not just for Christmas) is to give without the expectation of receiving something in return. Even something as simple as expecting a thank you means that you are looking for reward or recognition.
Give just for the sake of giving....