The Oak Island Mystery

AFAICR, it was pirates (Not the disney kind) that burried the treasure...?

Coming soon to an imaginary cinema near you
maybe




[edit on 21-12-2006 by Marduk]

Originally posted by whowantsahero

According to them Francis Bacon is the one who buried these treasures.

Aha! That's it!

According to some, Francis Bacon is the true author of the works of William Shakespeare.

The original manuscripts are there! Proving once and for all to see who the real author was.

Ok, maybe not.

[edit on 12/21/2006 by Mechanic 32]

Originally posted by Marduk
btw theres an "A" in Murduk

There's an "A" in Ass too!

There's an "A" in Ass too

theres also an "A" in pedantic

I spent 5 minutes mocking up that picture on photoshop
I can't believe no one thought it was funny

Originally posted by Marduk

There's an "A" in Ass too

theres also an "A" in pedantic

I spent 5 minutes mocking up that picture on photoshop
I can't believe no one thought it was funny

Only 5mins!! Would have taken me days! Well done.

Originally posted by whowantsahero
Thanks for the feedback, Mcphisto. I wasn't all that interested in the subject before, just relaying what I knew about it, but if they made an artificial beach even, then that's definitely interesting. If you ever come across that book, let me know what it was. I'm sure my uncle would love to read it, and I'd be interested as well.

I dont think this is the exact book, but its near as damn it! Click on the list on the r/h side of the page for a looksie!


www.amazon.com...=sib_dp_pt/103-5049556-0175044#reader-link

Hope this helps.
McP

The photoshop is good, but you seem to be attempting to settle an issue that hasn't been settled for two centuries.

Thats a funny pic....but i do have to say...this thread isnt very informative..its more like he says she says....and bash back and forth...maybe instead of bashing each other...you could provide some really good info..because the current info is...its a hole..thats deep..that has nothing of value

Originally posted by ConfederacyOfUnity
maybe instead of bashing each other...you could provide some really good info..because the current info is...its a hole..thats deep..that has nothing of value

Well at the present time.....its a hole..thats deep..that has nothing of value.

The reason we are 'bashing each other' is that some feel the hole is half empty while others feel the hole is half full.

¿Comprende?

Is Oak Island’s treasure really on Birch Island?

First Nations translator deciphers ancient stone as a treasure map



By Angie Zinck- Lunenburg Progress Enterprise – October 18, 2006

WESTERN SHORE – You many have heard about the Da Vinci code, but the Ranville code could be what solves the longest running treasure hunt in recorded history.

Keith Ranville, a First Nations man, has travelled from Winnipeg to Nova Scotia in hopes of unlocking the secret codes on Oak Island. He says he has done so by re-translating one of the stones found on the island over 200 years ago.

The Oak Island Tourism Society confirms that the stone in question was first found in 1803 by the Onslow Company. Found 90 feet down the Money Pit, the stone was believed to be two feet long and 15 inches wide, weighing approximately 175 lb.

Since that time, it has been said that the inscription on the stone read “forty feet below two million pounds are buried,” as translated by James Leitchi, a professor of languages at Dalhousie University. Some researchers have questioned this translation as Mr. Leitchi was involved in a treasure hunting company trying to sell stocks.

Today, the actual stone is lost. It was used as a hearthstone in two homes on Oak Island, but it was moved to a Halifax store front where it went missing when the building was torn down. Its last known location was round the Centennial Pool area.

Mr. Ranville used pictures of the stone to decipher its series of shapes, lines and dots to reveal a new translation that reads more like a map.

“I’ve brought some new stuff to the table,” he says, adding that the stone’s etchings could be used to figure out the mystery of Oak Island.

By his translation, much of the digging in the Money Pit area has been a waste of time and money.

“I believe the pit wasn’t meant to go beyond 100 feet,” he says. “I believe it wasn’t meant to go beyond these symbols.”

If one were to take Mr. Ranville’s code and follow it, it would lead you off Oak Island the site of all the treasure hunting for the past 211 years, under the water of the bay and onto the neighbouring Birch Island via man-made shafts.

“The instructions at the bottom of the pit tell you about where and how to locate these shafts and I believe they’re in Mahone Bay,” he says.

Mr. Ranville believes the two islands are connected by these shafts. He said that aerial shots of Birch Island prove the island has been touched by human hands. These aerial shots of the 16-acre Birch Island do show a large triangle which takes up a good portion of the island landscape.

“What I want to do is investigate this island where I think these symbols lead to,” he says.

Mr. Ranville has contacted the owner, Christopher Ondaatje, to inquire about doing some soil testing and exploring on the island.

In addition to being the home of the famous treasure, Mr. Ranville believes Birch Island may also be an ancient burial site of those who were involved in the original treasure hiding scheme.

“This is a significant Nova Scotia heritage discovery and that is Canada’s national treasure brought here for our guardianship long before Canada was established,” he says. “We should respect the civilization that is responsible for the makings of these structures.

“They were a very unique culture and may hold the secret to many ancient structures.”

Although he doesn’t know who actually buried the treasure, Mr. Ranville believes Oak Island and Birch Island need to be protected from further change to unlock their true history.

At the time of this interview, Mr. Ranville had yet to hear from Mr. Ondaatje regarding the island. He says he will continue to research the island and its tales of mystery and treasure. Check out Google Earth on the World Wide Web to see satellite photos of Birch Island and its triangle.

Oakster

kr.mendhak.com...

Well on the surface, that theory of Birch Island seems quite plausible.

What worries me, would be another attempt at a scam, as mentioned in the past. There appears to be a lot of money talk on the website.

Does anyone know of any treasures hidden (documented) in this manner? Information left in one spot, only to reveal its location in another spot.

LOST TREASURE MAGAZINE

April 2007 Edition
Hard Copy Version
Oak Island Update! – Cree Code Breaker Challenges 140-Year Old Cipher

MAHONE BAY, Nova Scotia –The enigma of Oak Island has been called one of the greatest archaeological and engineering achievements of mankind. Often referred to as Canada’s best known unsolved mystery, Oak Island proudly boasts it’s title for hosting the site of the World’s longest treasure hunt in recorded history. Now in its 212th year this 10 million dollar project that has selfishly taken the lives of six young men is no closer to being solved than it was in 1795 when three teen boys discovered a shaft here and began digging for what they believed to be pirate treasure! The boys excavated down to the 30 foot mark, exhausted and unable to continue they realized the dig would be a much larger effort then they first imagined. What the boys found as they dug convinced all three that they had indeed discovered a man-made vertical shaft of sound engineering. Their only conclusion was that it had been built to hide an enormous treasure. Knowing that a proper excavation required equipment, animals and manpower the boys set out to find investment capital. It took years but they did find an investor with whom they became the founders of the Onslow Company, the first of many treasure recovery companies that would come and go on Oak Island. To date the cost of this intoxicating treasure hunt has far exceeded ten million dollars and consigned six sturdy treasure hunters to an early grave.

Now for the first time since the 1860’s one man has come forward to challenge the translation of a cryptic message found etched into a stone that was discovered at the 90-foot mark in the original shaft in 1803 by the Onslow Company. The stone vanished about 1900 and no known image or text was preserved showing the cryptic message. However a Mahone Bay school teacher in 1909 claimed to have copied the two line, forty-character coded text directly from the stone hoping that he could break the code himself. He provided the only image of the codex known to exist stating the code was a simple letter-for-cipher that was accurately translated by Professor James Leitchi, a professor of languages at Dalhouse University in 1860’s. Leitchi’s translation reads… “Forty feet below two million pounds are buried.” Although Leitchi’s translation has never been directly challenged it has always been suspicious since a business relationship is known to have existed between Leitchi and the Oak Island Association, the 1860’s recovery company.

Recently Keith Ranville, a Cree First Nations researcher announced his challenge of Leitchi’s translation stating… “Birch Island holds the secret to the meaning of the construction on Oak Island. According to the Lunenburg Progress Enterprise, Ranville claims that Leitchi’s method to break the code was flawed, citing that his translation using the First Nations tradition, sees the codex as individual abstract symbols that were never intended to be translated into a single message. Using Ranville’s method to decipher the code, which reads more like a map, Oak Island is directly linked to its sister island, nearby Birch Island by underwater man-made shafts. He cites the repeated use of the triangle from the original inscription and points to the large triangle that he discovered on Birch Island which is only visible from the air. The triangle on the 16-acre Birch Island takes up much of the Island which Ranville believes is also the ancient burial grounds for those who were involved with the complex construction found on Oak Island.

Ranville’s work offers a completely different approach to solving the Oak Island mystery. Traveling across Canada Ranville has presented his findings to a number of scholars and groups many of whom have supported his work in principal. He has been interviewed on radio programs and his currently looking for funding to help pursue his research further. Those supporting Ranville’s research include mining engineer, Steve Zou, P.Eng.,PH.D, the Bear River First Nation of Nova Scotia, the Sault Ste. Marie Museum and to learn more you can log on to Ranville’s web site at: kr.mendhak.com...

Interview with Mr. Ranville December-2006

NEW READING OF MYSTERIOUS OAK ISLAND INSCRIPTION

Theory points to possible connection with nearby Birch Island

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
HALIFAX, Nova Scotia: Friday, July 14th, 2006 - - For the past two centuries, the tunnels of Nova Scotia’s Oak Island have piqued the imagination of historians and treasure hunters alike. Now, a new theory by First Nations researcher Keith Ranville may add fresh speculation to the mystery. Based on a unique reading of an inscription once found in the “Money Pit,” Mr. Ranville believes that the answer to the riddle may be found on nearby Birch Island.

Oak Island, located on the scenic Mahone Bay about an hour’s drive south of the provincial capital of Halifax, has been associated with buried treasure since the late 18th century. Local settlers reportedly found a ship’s tackle block hanging from a tree branch, overhanging a large depression in the ground. Early efforts to dig down failed when the diggers encountered layers of timber every 10 feet. In the ensuing generations, several organized excavation attempts have drilled down nearly 200 feet, en route encountering some artifacts within the staggered layers of logs, clay, putty, charcoal, flagstones and most perplexingly, coconut husks. Among the scores of enthusiastic treasure hunters was a young Franklin Roosevelt, one of the investors in a 1909 excavation attempt.

During the earlier diggings of 1800’s, the tunnel had become flooded by seawater – which many believed was the result booby trap being sprung – thus complicating further digging since then. A drilling effort in the mid 1800’s was said to have uncovered fragments of a gold chain. In 1971, a camera was lowered into the pit and reportedly captured images of wooden chests and human remains.

One of the most fascinating artifacts from the pit was said to be a flat stone recovered at the 90 foot depth, carrying a mysterious inscription. A fragment of stone with similar symbols was found nearby in Smith’s Cove in the 1930’s. The stone tablet itself has gone missing, but a record of its symbols remains. Until now, the consensus is that the symbols are a code translated as “forty feet below two million pounds are buried.” However, Keith Ranville’s theory offers a different interpretation as to the stone’s symbols, which could lead to a new explanation of the Oak Island mystery.

“I believe these symbols have been incorrectly assumed to stand for something else. In the First Nations tradition that I’m a part of, we believe symbols should simply be looked at in and of themselves, rather than thinking of them as codes that have to be cracked,” Mr. Ranville explained. “In the pictograms of Cree Salavics, for example, the images are meant to be descriptive, not abstract.” Using this approach, Mr. Ranville examined the Oak Island symbols and found what may be a set of instructions about a tunnel system involving both Oak Island and nearby Birch Island.

For example, the stone inscription begins with a triangle symbol, which is repeated throughout. Mr. Ranville believes that this represents nearby Birch Island, which has a distinctly triangular clearing on its north shore. Likewise, a symbol showing a circle divided into two hemispheres can be thought of as representing north/south directional markers. A series of dots in singles, pairs and triplets may be quantitative symbols.

Examining all the symbols in this way, Mr. Ranville believes that the symbols on the Money Pit’s stone tablet are actually technical instructions describing the location and layout of a possible underground network involving both Oak Island and Birch Island. “There was a fragment of another stone tablet that was found on Oak Island’s Smith Cove in the 1930’s,” Mr. Ranville explained. “It too has these types of symbols, but one in particular appears to be a Greek symbol designating ‘underwater door’. In conjunction with the other symbols, I believe this points to underwater doors and additional shafts on Birch Island itself.” Smith’s Cove is on the part of Oak Island that is closest to Birch Island, and is said to have yielded several artifacts itself over the years.

“Based on the inscribed symbols, I think we should be looking at Oak Island and Birch Island together in order to solve the mystery. If Birch Island proves to have underwater doors and tunnels around its triangular clearing, then it would be a huge step forward in our understanding of what Oak Island is all about.”

There have been many, occasionally bizarre, theories as to what the Oak Island tunnels may contain: a Masonic vault containing the Holy Grail, Viking or Pirate booty, Inca treasure, the French Royal Crown Jewels, payroll for colonial British soldiers or even the secret writings of Francis Bacon. Mr. Ranville prefers not to speculate. “Those are interesting and sometimes funny theories, but I’d rather just look at the evidence that we do have, and go from there.”

Mr. Ranville is a self-taught researcher born in Manitoba. While living in Vancouver, he became acquainted with the Oak Island mystery and began studying it. In October 2005, he relocated to Nova Scotia to further research and advance his theories on the subject.

Food For Thought

Here’s what people don’t know?
They don’t know about the people that made Affidavits, short book stories on saying the symbols did not exist and other stories, I am just wondering are people suppose to take the leap of faith and believe them. Where’s the physical evidence that support their claim.

Here’s what people do know?

That these money pit symbols are in just about every book written on Oak Island. And many people generally accepted the translation. Now a new logical translation was made and people start getting in a up-roar. There is no physical proof these symbols are not authentic. Do we take peoples word because they say so? Wheres the evidence beside hear’ say;

Lets get physical when it comes to evidence

keith

Keith Ranville, a First Nations man

yes very indian name that Ranville

how about Keith is that an indian name as well
this guy was posting his theories at Unexplained mysteries some months ago
he talks a complete load and doesn't seem to have more than a basic education
so typical consipracy theorest imo
he even posts under an assumed name and sometimes mentions that he has a book coming out about it
troll madman or poor deluded fool
only you can decide

Originally posted by Marduk

Keith Ranville, a First Nations man

yes very indian name that Ranville

how about Keith is that an indian name as well
this guy was posting his theories at Unexplained mysteries some months ago
he talks a complete load and doesn't seem to have more than a basic education
so typical consipracy theorest imo
he even posts under an assumed name and sometimes mentions that he has a book coming out about it
troll madman or poor deluded fool
only you can decide

Madman? I cannot say. But I can say I don't believe Marduk has read more than a few pages about Oak Island and the money pit. If he had he would not be so smug in his derisive dismissal and self-confident refutation of its validity.
I have read numerous books, maybe a dozen, specifically on it. I have read maybe 50 related books. It is not chronologically out of time, and in fact, the records of the Sinclair visits to the very spot in the late 1300's allows the very plausible theory that the heirs to the Templar Knights fleet of ships and skilled engineering knowledge were the builders. Only they had the skill, manpower, means to travel there, and possible valuable cargo to hide. It is not as well known that there are the remains of a stone castle on the plateau above Oak Island, which is of 14th century Scandinavian design. That fits with the Newport tower, also of that style. If you had read as much as you claim, you would not post so many times and offer so little of the pertinent details to support your views. I don't care what you believe, but if you really had an interest in Oak Island, you would know much more about it.
It was not a sinkhole, as you suggested. Templar treasure pit theories are at least compatible with the evidence, whereas the sinkhole idea is virtually impossible to reconcile with the physical evidence. Of all the theories I have read, only the Templar one is plausible, imho.

It was not a sinkhole, as you suggested. Templar treasure pit theories are at least compatible with the evidence, whereas the sinkhole idea is virtually impossible to reconcile with the physical evidence. Of all the theories I have read, only the Templar one is plausible, imho.

er ok
perhaps then you can give us an example of another Templar treasure pit ?

I have read numerous books, maybe a dozen, specifically on it. I have read maybe 50 related books.

I thought you were getting this rubbish from somewhere

It is not as well known that there are the remains of a stone castle on the plateau above Oak Island, which is of 14th century Scandinavian design.

there is no such thing
scandanavian castles of that period borrowed heavily from romanesque and gothic style

Only they had the skill, manpower, means to travel there, and possible valuable cargo to hide.

and of course theres no evidence that they ever left the old world but don't let that worry you

That fits with the Newport tower, also of that style.

en.wikipedia.org...(Rhode_Island)#Arnoldist_theory

The prevailing explanation among historians for the origin of the structure is the "Arnoldist" explanation, namely that the tower was a mill constructed "from the ground up" in the middle or late 17th century by Rhode Island colonial governor Benedict Arnold, great-grandfather of the patriot-traitor. It is known that Arnold, who moved into the area in 1661, once owned the land on which the tower stands.

ok so you're saying that the Templars liked windmill style are you

Of all the theories I have read, only the Templar one is plausible

well then perhaps you can explain how the Templars in the 14th century were able to build something that has baffled modern technology and engineering techniques
after that perhaps you can wipe that egg off your face

Just out of curiosity, Does anyone have a modern pic of the legendary stone tablet they found? The closest I've seen of it is a very grainy old black and white photo.

Also, why not just quarry out the damned treasure? Is there a reason why they use a narrow shaft?

Originally posted by Cowboy Clint
Just out of curiosity, Does anyone have a modern pic of the legendary stone tablet they found? The closest I've seen of it is a very grainy old black and white photo.

the reason there is no modern photo is because the legendary stone vanished
i.e. before any scientific tests could be done

Originally posted by Cowboy Clint
Also, why not just quarry out the damned treasure? Is there a reason why they use a narrow shaft?

yes
because its at the waters edge
and they don't have the resources to divert the Atlantic ocean

Heres some news, it's for SALE! Yes the whole island, for around 7 million USD.

Might not be a bad investment eh?

OAK ISLAND FOR SALE