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War On Terrorism or War On Islam???

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posted on Dec, 18 2006 @ 11:12 AM
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Then why did IAF101 feel the need to include them?

The statement was made that

Moslems or Islamofacists, its pretty much the same. One is more PC than the other. What we like to use to appear polite


which implies that all Muslims are Islamofascists, I statement I feel is racist in its generalisation, as most people will tell you this is very untrue and most Muslims, and the religion itself, are peace loving.

Then the useless use of inverted commas around the word friend just cause out_in_mud is from Pakistan? seems to imply a rather unfriendly connotation to me.

Serious apologies if i misinterpreted this but the inverted commas were pointless unless implying something from their use.




posted on Dec, 18 2006 @ 11:24 AM
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How did the war on 'terror' start? 9/11 happened.

two highly skilled pilots flew their planes into WTC 1 & 2 with great skill and just scream military, the accused "terrorist" simply could not have done it due to their less than average flying skills in a CENSNA!

same deal with the pentagon, what about WTC 7?

Doesn't anyone listen to Alex Jones anymore? the war on terror was started by the men in power in the US and Europe! Islam is a threat to the Christian religion, they want the Jewish to take over the middle east, they want more money and a one world government so they can live in a globalized Utopia were everyone agrees on western ideology, and the Muslim people do not want to globalize so they are a THREAT.

This IS a war on Islam unless you have some convincing evidence to point to the fact those Hi-Jackers really DID have the skill to fly those planes.



posted on Dec, 18 2006 @ 11:27 AM
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You are very bigoted in the first place. Why do you think everybody is racist ? If I say that YOU are my "friend" does that mean I am being racist ?

Frankly, I dont care what you think, if you think thats racist then fine whatever, racist!

Just so you know, pakistanis are not a race, its is a country.

Pfft, all this is irrelevant. Like I said its all PC.



posted on Dec, 18 2006 @ 11:40 AM
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Originally posted by Nammu
a country you have invaded,

... liberated.

destroyed practically the whole infrastructure,

Not true.

capture innocent civilians and send them to camps like guantanamo

The people in GITMO are murderers and terrorists. No innocent people are at GITMO.


America also needs to grow up and stop using Christianity as a tool ... Its the crusades all over again.


That's wrong on so many levels it's impossible to post enough information on this little site to straighten that erroneous thinking out.

Crusades? Oh please.
Most Americans don't care at all how others worship (or don't worship) God. The only ones making this conflict religious are the Islamic extremists. And if we wanted to take over oil fields we would have kept the Kuwaiti ones we liberated 15 years ago.



posted on Dec, 18 2006 @ 11:43 AM
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Originally posted by VoXiSo
the reason why we are "not winning" in iraq is cause of the leaders, they are to sacred to be ruthless like you have to be in a war,


I completely agree. Idiots who didn't send in enough fire power and man power... didn't secure borders .... allowed Iranians and Syrians to flow over the borders ....



posted on Dec, 18 2006 @ 11:54 AM
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December 18 POST From Pakistan

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THE BACK GROUND OF 911
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Date: 1880s
Location: Russia
Meeting between: The Learned Elders of Zion
Conspiracy: RULE THE WORLD – in 20th Century
Russian Script: Sergyei A. Nilus
English Translation: Victor E. Marsden




“In the desires of a terrible and formidable sect, you have only reached the first stages of plans it has formed for the general Revolution which is to overthrow all thrones, all altars, annihilate all property, efface all law, and end by dissolving all society.”

(The Abbe Barruel (1797) writing on the Anti Christian Conspiracy.)
===============================================

“Unless Bolshevism is nipped in the bud immediately it is bound to spread in one form or another all over Europe and the whole world, as it is organized and worked by Jews who have no nationality and whose object is to destroy for their own ends the existing order of things.”

(British Government White Paper, Russia No. 1 ‘1919’.)
===============================================

“There is now definite evidence that Bolshevism is an international movement controlled by Jews; communications are passing between the leaders in America, France, Russia and England, with a view to concerned action.”
(Directorate of Intelligence, Home Office, Scotland Yard, London, in Monthly Report to Foreign Embassies, 16th July, 1919.)

www.churchoftrueisrael.com...


Key Points of the Conspiracy

• We (Jews) are the richest of all Nations.

• We must capture all wealth of the planet Earth.

• But we are very few in number. We cannot fight by ourselves to achieve that goal.

• So we shall enter or surface up in the powerful countries. Rule them in every respect –invisibly.

• Make their armies to fight for us.

• They will capture other countries and lands and we shall put our industries there to earn Wealth - our ultimate goal.

• In this protocol (Way), Wealth will flow to us, with no loss to any Jew.

To be continued......

With Best Regards,

OIM

Mod Edit: No Quote/Plagiarism – Please Review This Link.

Mod Edit: External Source Tags – Please Review This Link.


[edit on 18/12/2006 by Mirthful Me]



posted on Dec, 18 2006 @ 12:10 PM
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If it walks like a duck, swims like a duck and quacks like a duck then odds are it probably is a duck. First racism isn't involved here, so let's throw away the term racist. Last time I checked the Islamic religion crosses racial lines. The people comitting these acts state that they are doing it for religious reasons. I know that they are a minority in the Islamic religion, the problem is that in my opinion the rest of Islam isn't doing enough to distance themselves from their acts. I mean if the reports are correct an Iranian cleric gave his approval for the US to be nuked. I'm not even going into the killings that occurred because of a political cartoon. If the Islamic faith doesn't do something to distance themselves from these fanatics then they deserve to be associated with them.



posted on Dec, 18 2006 @ 12:15 PM
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We should look back and see how this whole 'was on terror' started in the first place.

It was 9/11 that triggered this war.

Upto this day, half the people believe 9/11 was inside job and other half belive otherwise, roughly speaking ofcourse. Till now we cannot know it for sure. So many theories and 'evidences' to prove either side but we still dont know for sure. A very close inspection of 9/11 and all possible theories and facts leads me to the conclusion that the government is definitely hiding something. A fact or concrete truth would not be shaken by theories. But 9/11 and the evidence surrounding it is so shaky and questionable that America should not have gone to war in the first place unless almost 100% of world population agreed that Osama was beind the attacks.

Well, even if we were to belive that Osama carried out the attacks, why is he not important anymore. US attacked afghanistan but quickly shifted to Iraq and also declared that Osama is not important. Even though he was the man that caused all this allegdly then why is he not important.

And to carry out an attack like 9/11 Osama would need a lot of planning and money and strategy and people, etc. So if he successfully did it once then why can't he do it again. Obviously, then he should be able to do it again then why is he not important anymore. These are the questions that the war supporters or anti-islamofascists fail to answer and always dodge even though these are THE most important questions.

Because if it can be proved that Islamofascicsts carried out 9/11 then the war on terror is justified. But US went to war without absolute concrete proof and therefore this war is not justified and US is just a rogue country on a killing spree for its agenda.



posted on Dec, 18 2006 @ 12:16 PM
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Originally posted by JIMC5499
If the Islamic faith doesn't do something to distance themselves from these fanatics then they deserve to be associated with them.


When Catholics found out about the sex abuse that was going on, and when they found out about the priests and bishops who were involved, the Catholic lay people jumped all over it!!! Organizations were formed. People insisted on the law getting involved. Articles and blogs were found EVERYWHERE by Catholics demanding answers and change. Lay people withheld financial support and many stopped attending masses and stopped supporting the churches until they were cleaned up.

And change is happening. Answers are starting to come to light. People are beginning to be held responsible.

That's what I'd like to see from the Islamic community. Something along the same lines as what the Catholic community has done in regards to the priest sex abuse scandal.



posted on Dec, 18 2006 @ 12:20 PM
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Originally posted by JIMC5499
--->The people comitting these acts state that they are doing it for religious reasons.
--->I know that they are a minority in the Islamic religion, the problem is that in my opinion the rest of Islam isn't doing enough to distance themselves from their acts. I mean if the reports are correct an Iranian cleric gave his approval for the US to be nuked. I'm not even going into the killings that occurred because of a political cartoon.
--->If the Islamic faith doesn't do something to distance themselves from these fanatics then they deserve to be associated with them. (my editing added)


You have voted JIMC5499 for the Way Above Top Secret award.

The lines I quoted say all about all that needs to be said on this subject. Time for islam to quit complaining about being "picked on", and instead show the rest of the world that their religion is ready to join the rest of 21st century civilization by taking care of their own terrorist problem.



posted on Dec, 18 2006 @ 12:22 PM
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Originally posted by silencer
It was 9/11 that triggered this war.


Radical Islam declared war against those who dont' worship like them DECADES ago. 9/11 woke Americans up to that fact. Unfortunately, many have rolled over and gone back to sleep.


half the people believe 9/11 was inside job and other half belive otherwise,

Show some credible stats that say 1/2 of all Americans believe Bush pulled off 9/11.


why is he not important anymore.


He is. However, those running the war SCREWED UP and are now chatting-him-down to cover their own backends.


So if he successfully did it once then why can't he do it again.


Because there is a war on terror so it is much more difficult for him now.


if it can be proved that Islamofascicsts carried out 9/11 then the war on terror is justified.

They did. It's just that simple. The evidence is overwhelming.


and US is just a rogue country on a killing spree for its agenda.


Nope. If we were on a 'killing spree for our own agenda' we would have brought in our nukes and turned Iraq into glass.



posted on Dec, 18 2006 @ 12:31 PM
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out_in_mud,

The protocols of the learned elders of zions is a proven hoax.

It has been used as justification in the genocide of Jewish people throughout the world.

To continue to propagate this hoax is to embrace ignorance.

And to post it on this site and in this form as fact I think shows what kind of person you truly are.

Racist and bigot only begin to describe it.



posted on Dec, 18 2006 @ 12:40 PM
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Originally posted by FlyersFanRadical Islam declared war against those who dont' worship like them DECADES ago.


Show some credible proof to back that statement.


Originally posted by FlyersFan
9/11 woke Americans up to that fact.


Actually, 9/11 caused a series of emotions in the american people and the US gov. has benefitted most from it till now. You have no proo that 9/11 was not an inside job.

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Originally posted by FlyersFan
Show some credible stats that say 1/2 of all Americans believe Bush pulled off 9/11.


Just look at ATS and you will get the rough idea. I cannot go to every american's door and ask them that question.


Originally posted by FlyersFanHe is. However, those running the war SCREWED UP and are now chatting-him-down to cover their own backends.


No he is not. Bush said is openly that Osama is not important and they dont care about catching him.


Originally posted by FlyersFan
Because there is a war on terror so it is much more difficult for him now.


Difficult but not impossible, yet the only person to mastermind such an attack is being ignored by US gov. I wonder why??? Maybe because they know he was not the one who carried out the attacks.


Originally posted by FlyersFan
They did. It's just that simple. The evidence is overwhelming.


Ofcourse, the overwhelming evidence I always hear about but unfortunately never get to actually see. Face it, there is not one hard evidence.


Originally posted by FlyersFanNope. If we were on a 'killing spree for our own agenda' we would have brought in our nukes and turned Iraq into glass.


Comeone. If you did that then we wouldn't be having this discussion. Obviously US will not do that because it needs to hide behind the 'War on terror' to carry out its agenda. It cant just openly go out and nuke a country.



posted on Dec, 18 2006 @ 01:17 PM
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Originally posted by silencer
We should look back and see how this whole 'was on terror' started in the first place.

It was 9/11 that triggered this war.

Because if it can be proved that Islamofascicsts carried out 9/11 then the war on terror is justified. But US went to war without absolute concrete proof and therefore this war is not justified and US is just a rogue country on a killing spree for its agenda.


I suggest that you go to a library and look up the term "Crusades". This war has been going on a lot longer than you think.

I'd be careful using terms like "killing spree" unless you have concrete information that it wasn't Islamofascicists who were responsible for 9-11. In my opinion the US has shown great restraint in it's actions. As a matter of fact it is this restraint that has put us into our current political problems. If the US had nuked Kabul in November 2001 instead of invading the majority of the US population would have thought it the correct descision. By choosing to invade Afghanistan the US reduced the number of civilian casualties, increased our own casualties and gave time to the Democratic Party to turn the population against the invasion.


DCP

posted on Dec, 18 2006 @ 01:22 PM
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Is this quote really from the Hadith (traditions relating to the words and deeds of Muhammad. Hadith collections are regarded as important tools for determining the Sunnah, or Muslim way of life, by all traditional schools of jurisprudence*)?

"The Day of Judgment will not come about until Moslems fight the Jews [killing the Jews], when the Jew will hide behind stones and trees. The stones and trees will say O Moslems, O Abdulla, there is a Jew behind me, come and kill him. Only the Gharkad tree would not do that because it is one of the trees of the Jews."


*thanks Wikipedia



posted on Dec, 18 2006 @ 01:24 PM
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Originally posted by JIMC5499
If the US had nuked Kabul in November 2001 instead of invading the majority of the US population would have thought it the correct descision.


If according to you, if the majority of people have thought it the correct decision then you seriously need to rethink what you are saying. In my opinion, that kind of mentality maked people like you mroe dangerous than any terrorist.



posted on Dec, 18 2006 @ 01:32 PM
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Originally posted by silencer
If according to you, if the majority of people have thought it the correct decision then you seriously need to rethink what you are saying. In my opinion, that kind of mentality maked people like you mroe dangerous than any terrorist.


Thats pretty funny and ironic since Osama himself mentions about the need to use nukes against the U.S. More dangerous than the terrorist you say?



posted on Dec, 18 2006 @ 01:42 PM
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Originally posted by silencer
If according to you, if the majority of people have thought it the correct decision then you seriously need to rethink what you are saying. In my opinion, that kind of mentality maked people like you mroe dangerous than any terrorist.


Really? Why? Our country was attacked. Our people killed. Notice I said would have agreed. Funny thing is that we didn't nuke them. You are the one tossing around terms like "killing spree". If we were the people that you are trying to make us out to be, we WOULD have nuked Kabul and probably Iraq as well. All I was pointing out is that we COULD have done it. If the US was as blood thirsty as you are claiming then why didn't we use nukes? How about pointing the blame where it belongs, at the people responsible for these attacks?



posted on Dec, 18 2006 @ 02:01 PM
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Originally posted by JIMC5499
If the US was as blood thirsty as you are claiming then why didn't we use nukes?


I already answered that. Read above instead of repeating the question.



posted on Dec, 18 2006 @ 02:10 PM
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Originally posted by silencer
I already answered that. Read above instead of repeating the question.


Then I guess that we aren't as bloodthirsty as you are trying to make us out to be. Maybe you need to rethink your terminology?



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